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DEATH BATTLE! Discussion Thread (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)

they put GiH on fraudwatch during the QandA, saying that Godzilla didn't even fight "God", and that even if he did the statements from social media were nonsensical lol
I wish they made the Q&A videos be public. You'd think them answering a bunch of major questions about the fight's results would be the kind of thing that would be public. Imagine if they relegated the Ben vs Hal Q&A to a members only video instead of including it in a DBC video.
 
I wish they made the Q&A videos be public. You'd think them answering a bunch of major questions about the fight's results would be the kind of thing that would be public. Imagine if they relegated the Ben vs Hal Q&A to a members only video instead of including it in a DBC video.
If it was Cast video, itll return.
 
It's a shame that so many people have wanked and over hyped Godzilla in Hell to such extreme levels since it's actually a really solid comic in its own right despite the lack of dialogue.

Like come on: just the very thought of Godzilla, the King of the Monsters, traversing through the layers of Hell and battling all matter of demon and angel is so ******* awesome. Yet because of battle forums, the common perception of GIH is that of one of the most overwanked versions of the big G.
 
Where are the cameos he mentions i literally dont see anything about these

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Illia was a guerilla fighter at best, Maka as an 'unskilled fighter' was still fighting against opponents with years of combat experience. Not to mention top of her class at DWMA. Lots of people forget but Maka and Soul were one Witch Soul away from already becoming a Death Scythe at the very beginning of the series, they only failed when Blair tricked them and made them start from scratch.
Maka isn't top of her class though, like that's an explicitly stated thing. The top three of her class are Kid, BlackStar, and Kilik. And the 99 souls measurement isn't as impressive when you factor in that the beings she killed to get them were by and large fodder. It's a major plot point that Maka is a largely unskilled and mostly untrained fighter, that for the majority of the story she relied heavily on Soul to perform maneuvers in combat due to his ability to control himself in scythe form while she didn't know how to properly wield a weapon herself. It took up until after the Giriko fight for her to actually start training to wield a weapon.
The Dust has that property because of the infusion of the Aura. From how I've read how Aura and Dust interact, with no Aura it's not 'activated' per se.
That's is not how it works no. Dust has inherrent elemental properties, Aura has nothing to do with the element.

And yeah, treating it as a skill feat is fine. Not everything in fiction is going to make sense in a vs debate anyway with writer's intent /= matching with how stats and calculations work. I still don't believe her bullets, infused or otherwise, will be a big factor in the overall debate. Her semblance is carrying a ton of the weight here.
I mean, paralyzing Maka with electricity or encasing her in ice would hinder her a lot.
 
Maka isn't top of her class though, like that's an explicitly stated thing. The top three of her class are Kid, BlackStar, and Kilik. And the 99 souls measurement isn't as impressive when you factor in that the beings she killed to get them were by and large fodder. It's a major plot point that Maka is a largely unskilled and mostly untrained fighter, that for the majority of the story she relied heavily on Soul to perform maneuvers in combat due to his ability to control himself in scythe form while she didn't know how to properly wield a weapon herself. It took up until after the Giriko fight for her to actually start training to wield a weapon.

You realize that top of her class is more than just combat ability, right? I'm talking a student that is in a school devoted to a world where fighting things with your soul is the main form of combat. My point is that Maka is not an idiot and would easily realize that Ruby's powers derive from her soul and can work around that. Neither combatant here is going to be doing some stuff that the other hasn't at least some sort of type of before. Her Soul Perception means that it's not like Ruby is going to sneak up on her or do any tricky stuff she won't see coming. (Not that I imagine Maka and Soul will be doing anything of the like either. My arguments for speed are not leaning on the speedblitzing of either combatant.)

Also the "by and large fodder" could be exactly said for Ruby's early training as well. We all know well and good Qrow did not have her fighting up against probably anything bigger than an Ursa during her training. Hell from the first episode we can already see the being Maka and Soul fight are more than just mindless animals unlike the kind of Grimm Ruby would have trained against. The main cast didn't even encounter anything scary to fight since volume 3, which by that point in all of their lives they hadn't faced anything like that before.

You keep hammering home the point that Maka is basically a novice combatant even in the late stages of the series, but this 'unskilled' combatant was fighting against the endgame boss, trading blows, blocking and taking hits from something that scales higher than anything Ruby can do. Maka says she's 'not as accomplished' as a fighter because she's up against Death the Kid (of god of the world) and BlackStar, the guy who is the better version of Naruto's 'You can be anything you want if you try hard enough".

Hell you even mentioned Killik, who was the first person in the series to wield four weapons at once, which I don't even think ever happened again. Everyone in Soul Eater has their own strengths. Whatever Maka might light in fighting technique she makes up for in analyzing her opponents. And even then Soul is right there to back her up.

That's is not how it works no. Dust has inherrent elemental properties, Aura has nothing to do with the element.

I mean, paralyzing Maka with electricity or encasing her in ice would hinder her a lot.

That much is fair, but again the entire point is that she will have to actually hit Maka for it to matter. They'd be easy enough to avoid with her reactions, not to mention Maka and Soul have AoE of their own that can clear areas as well. Soul can even do it by his own if they ever get separated.
 
Would Hulk beat Doomsday if they did that MU today, or has Doomsday also gotten stronger since then?
My confusion for the whole thing is Hulk had the universe-clap and crossroads-shaking feats way before the Doomsday matchup came out. So he should have easily taken that fight along with speed. Granted everyone's biggest gripe about it was the nonsense 'ran out of anger' point they made. That and they just didn't buy Hulk's Universal+ strength that was established before that fight, so it was big downplays for everyone.
 
My confusion for the whole thing is Hulk had the universe-clap and crossroads-shaking feats way before the Doomsday matchup came out. So he should have easily taken that fight along with speed. Granted everyone's biggest gripe about it was the nonsense 'ran out of anger' point they made. That and they just didn't buy Hulk's Universal+ strength that was established before that fight, so it was big downplays for everyone.
In earlier seasons DB was much more conservative with scaling in general.
 
Imma throw my hat in the ring then. I will make a bet on my honor; payout of $10 to Weekly if Maka loses, $5 to me if she wins. It seems appropriate given the current odds and predictions.

Ban me from the wiki if I dare not pay, I’m staking my honor on this. This offer stands to anyone willing to actually put money on Maka losing somehow. 100% serious.
 
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Reminder that Anya would beat all of us irl
 
You realize that top of her class is more than just combat ability, right? I'm talking a student that is in a school devoted to a world where fighting things with your soul is the main form of combat. My point is that Maka is not an idiot and would easily realize that Ruby's powers derive from her soul and can work around that. Neither combatant here is going to be doing some stuff that the other hasn't at least some sort of type of before. Her Soul Perception means that it's not like Ruby is going to sneak up on her or do any tricky stuff she won't see coming. (Not that I imagine Maka and Soul will be doing anything of the like either. My arguments for speed are not leaning on the speedblitzing of either combatant.)
I mean sure, but by that metric Ruby would still be above her in terms of combat-specific IQ given that she is an actual genius when it comes to weaponry. It's a while thing that she is able to briefly look at an opponent's weapon, immediately understand its mechanics and capabilities as well as the fighting style the opponent uses based on their weapon, and as a result immediately identify any flaws or weaknesses of said weapon as well as said opponent's fighting style. Maka can figure out Ruby's abilities with Soul Perception, but Ruby would easily pick apart Maka's fighting style in the same way.
Also the "by and large fodder" could be exactly said for Ruby's early training as well. We all know well and good Qrow did not have her fighting up against probably anything bigger than an Ursa during her training. Hell from the first episode we can already see the being Maka and Soul fight are more than just mindless animals unlike the kind of Grimm Ruby would have trained against. The main cast didn't even encounter anything scary to fight since volume 3, which by that point in all of their lives they hadn't faced anything like that before.
Half true, she did fight a majority of fodder but she also spent a lot of time training against other students who were on her level in terms of power and capabilities once she actually enrolled in early combat school when she was a preteen. She did not solely fight mindless animals, she fought a LOT of other huntsmen in training, and at full force too due to how combat training works in RWBY.
You keep hammering home the point that Maka is basically a novice combatant even in the late stages of the series, but this 'unskilled' combatant was fighting against the endgame boss, trading blows, blocking and taking hits from something that scales higher than anything Ruby can do. Maka says she's 'not as accomplished' as a fighter because she's up against Death the Kid (of god of the world) and BlackStar, the guy who is the better version of Naruto's 'You can be anything you want if you try hard enough".
She was only able to do that because she was brought up to his level through Chain Resonance, and even then she outright admitted that on her own she couldn't even land a single blow on Asura.
That much is fair, but again the entire point is that she will have to actually hit Maka for it to matter. They'd be easy enough to avoid with her reactions, not to mention Maka and Soul have AoE of their own that can clear areas as well. Soul can even do it by his own if they ever get separated.
She doesn't though, her Dust ammo has Aoe to it, so even if she misses the elemental effects can still indirectly hit Maka.
 
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