DEATH BATTLE! Discussion Thread (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)

[CharlesZaGreat]

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

If we go by the site's standards, or Death Battle's standards, Hulk should be more than capable of affecting IT due to a vastly superior cosmology compared to Godzilla's cosmology to be fair

Eh....No?

Hulk's range:

Range: Extended Melee Range due to his size, Varies from Kilometers to Planetary with thunderclaps (Thunderclaps can reach up to Kilometers in every direction, by attacking the ground he can impact an entire planet), At least Interdimensional with Multilocation (Gamma Powered individual exist in the below place and the real world at same time)

Godzilla's range:

Range: Outerversal

 

[BlackDarkness679]

Agreed tho composite is Ryu is somewhat debatable depending on how you scale the entirely of Capcom (plus some Marvel capeshit too) but 65/35 Comp Goku will likely win mostly thanks to Arale and... Fortnite!

Just like brought up for Godzilla here, the crossovers Capcom has with Marvel arent 616 canon, Marvel literally counts MvC as being an alternate universe which Capcom characters exist along Marvel characters

 

[PonePoster]

Also, idk, even if Ultima was banished in the fight they pretty much outright said Hulk solos with a punch, just as he SHOULD

 

[Tipper17]

Also even with SailorMoon messy stuff, isnt Usagi > Galaxia & Beerus > Goku and she has good hax, not sure is it debatable?

eh no
most moon of hax are wanked and goku just stomps via multipliers and speed atp

 

[BlackDarkness679]

Subtle callback

 

[PonePoster]

Goku vs Saitama is too much pity win. Tho maybe there are a lot of casuals who think Saitama wins.

Also even with SailorMoon messy stuff, isnt Usagi > Galaxia & Beerus > Goku and she has good hax, not sure is it debatable?

Sailor Moon has Twilight Sparkle as her best MU

 

[BlackDarkness679]

Also, idk, even if Ultima was banished in the fight they pretty much outright said Hulk solos with a punch, just as he SHOULD

So Hulk above omnipotence? How the heck there can be an entity beyond TOAA?

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

Also, idk, even if Ultima was banished in the fight they pretty much outright said Hulk solos with a punch, just as he SHOULD

I thought it was pretty clear Hulk punched Ultima out of existence with Dr. Banner's help of course.

 

[TMaakkonen]

Tbh Goku vs Usagi prooooobably cant happen due to Toei shenanigans.

...Unless they dont use any anime scenes teehee.

 

[Zyurtunder13]

Also, idk, even if Ultima was banished in the fight they pretty much outright said Hulk solos with a punch, just as he SHOULD

Hahahahaha, I knew it, I knew that the end is supposed to be Hulk one-shotting the Entity, thanks for showing this proof

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

So Hulk above omnipotence? How the heck there can be an entity beyond TOAA?

No he is just layered more Godzilla.
Think about it in pancakes.
Godzilla could destroy one pancakes, but Hulk could destroy five.

 

[Zyurtunder13]

I thought it was pretty clear Hulk punched Ultima out of existence with Dr. Banner's help of course.

It's obviously clear, the only problem are Apex, Arceus and Ouiguana coping and making shit up

 

[Osemere]

So Hulk above omnipotence? How the heck there can be an entity beyond TOAA?

TOAA isn’t omnipotent, he’s just the strongest character we know of in Marvel. Ewing himself said there was a hierarchy above him in Defenders.

 

[Arceus0x]

It was told to us by a DB member, according to Tipper, that he banished the SP rather than killing "It"

 

[BlackDarkness679]

No he is just layered more Godzilla.
Think about it in pancakes.
Godzilla could destroy one pancakes, but Hulk could destroy five.

Thats one way to put it

 

[Tipper17]

rewatched the fight
If you notice while Hulk is jumping around Ultima is literally erasing Bruce’s equations as he makes them

 

[BlackDarkness679]

TOAA isn’t omnipotent, he’s just the strongest character we know of in Marvel. Ewing himself said there was a hierarchy above him in Defenders.

Since when? TOAA was meant to be omnipotent, they pretty much retcon that like with beyonder now

 

[Tipper17]

It was told to us by a DB member, according to Tipper, that he banished the SP rather than killing "It"

he was guest and he said lookin back he think he killed it?

its pretty confusin

 

[Zyurtunder13]

No he is just layered more Godzilla.
Think about it in pancakes.
Godzilla could destroy one pancakes, but Hulk could destroy five.

The One Above All isn't even the Ultimate being in Marvel, from what I remember he appears to be "the ultimate being", but he's actually at the bottom of another hierarchy of entities

 

[Arceus0x]

he was guest and he said lookin back he think he killed it?

its pretty confusin

man

 

[Zyurtunder13]

It was told to us by a DB member, according to Tipper, that he banished the SP rather than killing "It"

Who's the one that told you that? And do you have any proof?

 

[BrackishBrineBroth]

Also, idk, even if Ultima was banished in the fight they pretty much outright said Hulk solos with a punch, just as he SHOULD

Wouldn't this scaling result in One Above All being downgraded to 1-A?

 

[Zyurtunder13]

man

Hahahaha

 

[MrKerf]

Also, idk, even if Ultima was banished in the fight they pretty much outright said Hulk solos with a punch, just as he SHOULD

Older than TOAA? Marvel is on some bull fr.

 

[Arceus0x]

Wouldn't this scaling result in One Above All being downgraded to 1-A?

 

[Zyurtunder13]

Older than TOAA? Marvel is on some bull fr.

Yeah, TOAA was retconed to be at the bottom of another hierarchy in Marvel, but he's still above the main cosmology with its infinite dimensions and layers

 

[Epiccheev]

ahm...i am pretty sure they scaled Kyle higher than Hulk and Simon still pretty much beated him up

Nah, they pretty much said Hulk>Eternal physically, who is layers into R>F, and Hulk's immortality is granted by TOBA, who's = to TOAA who's completely unreachable to character many layers of R>F above Eternal.
Wich means that so far Hulk is completely unkillable by any character on DB comparable to himself and has 1-A AP/DURA => than Simon/Kyle's shown peak on top of Potential to keep growing.

 

[Da3ggman]

My GOAT Hulk rightfully won

 

[Entity]

Since when? TOAA was meant to be omnipotent, they pretty much retcon that like with beyonder now

Since Al Ewig changed the cosmology, TOAA is the limit for Marvel's characters to know, the apex, but there is always something beyond, the Mystery, the unknown and to know it all the journey never ends. It's all in Defenders: Beyond

 

[CharlesZaGreat]

My GOAT Hulk rightfully won

That stupid ******* lizard really thought he could bring math equations to a fight against a guy with 7 phDs and win. Bro should've relied on the ol' faithful strategy of punch hard

 

[The_Unknown_Warrior1]

Eh....No?

Hulk's range:



Godzilla's range:

In fairness, our Marvel profiles are in desperate need of revisions and overhauls to the feats included in the stats. Including the range

VBW aside, in the episode itself, they made mention of Hulk having the range to affect infinite dimensions and places beyond the Entity like the Below Place. Add Bruce Banner being able to counteract the Archetype and all that jazz, it was pretty much GG for Godzilla.

 

[Arceus0x]

I think I will avoid any capeshit debates from now on. Everything is so inconsistent and confusing, you not only have to deal with people ignoring the anti-feats but you also have no way of knowing what's cap and what's not since there's like a bajillion self-contradicting comic issues to go through. Others seem to have done that already, so I will do so too.

 

[TMaakkonen]

I think I will avoid any capeshit debates from now on. Everything is so inconsistent and confusing, you not only have to deal with people ignoring the anti-feats but you also have no way of knowing what's cap and what's not since there's like a bajillion self-contradicting comic issues to go through. Others seem to have done that already, so I will do so too.

 

[Tipper17]

 

[ZeNoviceArtist]

Well at least next MU isn't a cosmology debate.

 

[TMaakkonen]

Ignoring DB & real crossovers, should Marvel & DC cosmologies actually be equal?

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

In fairness, our Marvel profiles are in desperate need of revisions and overhauls to the feats included in the stats. Including the range

The Marvel profiles are probably going to be downgraded soon, so yeah…

VBW aside, in the episode itself, they made mention of Hulk having the range to affect infinite dimensions and places beyond the Entity like the Below Place. Add Bruce Banner being able to counteract the Archetype and all that jazz, it was pretty much GG for Godzilla.

Was the Hulk even capable of affecting 1-A realms in the comics via range?

 

[Rayfire]

99% OF GAMBLERS QUIT BEFORE THEY HIT IT BIG!!!

I WOOOOOOOONNNNN

Well, that was definitely an interesting fight. The animation looked a lot smoother than artemis' other fights this year, and bruce finally playing a role in it was awesome too. I only really have a surface level understanding of both of these guys, so i can't really say whether DB missed something, but the outcome seemed sensible enough going off what they brought up. My opinion of the fight will probably change a bit when i rewatch it, but i think this is a solid 9/10 episode, don't have any major problems with this one

 

[RanHover60]

On everybody’s souls IT is gonna hijack the next episode to run it back for my goat (not cope)

I can ignore the results though because this episode cooks. Fight was great and all (seeing the DA redemption is nice) but the analysis stood out most as probably one of my favourites in recent times. Fight flowed better than I thought and honestly they did a decent job cramming everything both had while being concise.

As for some gripes though it kind of sucked that there was no montage of the different incarnations of Goji and personalities of Hulk going at it and the hard cut to a few days later in the fight felt kind of jank. Also I really thought Goji stood a chance because of Kymon and Spawnrider but we ended with capeshit taking the crown for strongest in DB history again. 9/10

The next time kind of sucks ass for the 200th episode ngl, especially because even as fan of neither I can see the winner from a mile away. There’s also the fact that the ep after could be traveller v aang so this is could be a pretty boring period.