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Yes, this is why they downscale.Amber was a new maiden and inexperienced. Her best feat is creating the storm, but all she was doing was trying to hit them with lightning and a few things holding them off bay. Merc, Cinder and Em were ambush prep-timing her too. Its been proven Maidens can be 'held off' with a large group of huntsmen elsewhere like Penny vs the AceOps
None of the Low 7-B arguments being made are using magic as justification, only as supporting evidence. Especially when the cast has tanked elemental attacks from the Maidens that have been calced in the tier 7 range.Maiden powers have just not proven to scale their physicals to the environmental elemental capabilities. Maiden powers are literal magic which in RWBY seems to only extend to energy and elemental attacks. They dont amp physically as opposed to just being a potent magical force, and thus i dont think we should be scaling anyone to high-end magic maiden feats just cause they could box Cinder in cqc for a while.
Rwby makes it a huge point that Magic is its own separate power (for some reason?) so it in general just shouldnt be scaled based on only aura/semblance properties.
Nothing says or implies its less durable, just that it doesnt have a forcefield. Cinder using it to physically grab people comparable to her in power as well as using it in both h2h and swordplay proves its just as durable as the rest of her.And yh you're right about the Grimm arm. Literally first time it gets properly revealed in V5, they make it known as a huge glaring weakspot for Cinder and that its nowhere near as durable. Its only really good for absorbing magic, stretching and regenerating but other than that its a huuuuge detriment
Did you expect me to let things stay boring?Well this thread just got interesting
I can literally smell the baited breath radiating from the thread on my screen, some peeps have a Joker complex tbh.Well this thread just got interesting
The title page from the comic in which the feat happened literally calls them “eternity’s chains” so I think it might just be a miscommunication on their part.Gonna be real, I don't agree with the First Firmanent chains feat; at least not how they interpret it. Chains being made from the First Firmament and chains being made by the First Firmament are two different things. The chains that were used to bind Eternity were a direct creation of the First Firmament itself while the chains used to bind Hulk were just made from their essence.
It's still an impressive feat but I do not at all agree with the idea that Hulk's feat would scale to Galactus or Eternity being unable to break the chains that bound Eternity.
Again, the maidens arent the ones with the Low 7-B feats. Youre hyperfixating on the wrong part of the argument againWhy they 'downscale', but you're comparing a characters general physicals to their maiden powers when it just does not give that sort of buff sorry to say.
The whole point of the maidens and their overwhelming power comes from their magic control of the elements. The rest are literally you just assuming things happening off screen and trying to put them together 5 volumes apart. It gets a bit tiring atp. Cinders melting of Amity is still unclear af too, since hes literally got her semblance, use of dust AND maiden powers, and its very indescript how much she actually melted through iirc.
If a human is wearing a suit of armor and the arm of that armor is removed, does that make the human's arm less durable than the rest of the human underneath the armor? No, it doesnt, it just means its vulnerable to damage because theres nothing protecting it, it doesnt make it weaker or less durable. If it was she literally wouldnt be able to use it in h2h combat because she'd destroy it every time she tries to throw a punch or swing a sword. Also not sure where you got the idea that im scaling grimm to this, youre pulling that out of nowhere lolEr yeah, it does. Raven quite literally says it flat out to the audience that Cinders weakspot is her Grimm arm. And it gets cut effortlessly. It just regens and has hax to it but otherwise its not basis for scaling characters to MAIDEN level power for simply cutting off a significantly weaker part of her. You're trying to scale the properties of a scall-scale Grimm to Maidens, and thats where it gets foggy
MkayEither way this isnt the RWBY section so im holding it there for now and unfollowing.
Theres a lot youre missing from Soul Eater yes. Maka wouldnt take strength or durability due to her only getting the stats that people put her at through outside helpI think Ruby might take speed (Unless there's something I'm missing from Soul Eater) but Maka takes strength and durability by quite a wide margin (I think we had town level mentioned for Ruby is a black box)
I'm fairly positive it'll be the next episodeRelax nerds Ruby vs Maka aint happening anytime soon ya can kill each other when It does come in
They usually don't do known matchups one after the other.I'm fairly positive it'll be the next episode
Oh yeah, that's right.I believe Ash vs Yugi will be the next MU.
they seem keen on doing the kickstarter episodes this year and Ruby vs Maka makes a lot of sense for a milestone episodeThey usually don't do known matchups one after the other.
iirc they said they're pushing back Ash vs Yugi to give it more time to cookOh yeah, that's right.
Godzilla vs Hulk is episode 199, so the next one must be Ash vs Yugi
They changed there minds on it presumably because it isn't ready so it may or may not be 200Didnt they say it isnt going to be ash vs yugi
Nah if there doing the episode it be thisI think Ruby might take speed (Unless there's something I'm missing from Soul Eater) but Maka takes strength and durability by quite a wide margin (I think we had town level mentioned for Ruby is a black box)
apparently there been a huge push for Marth from Fire Emblem vs Saber so they might so that mu than LukeSo Fate/stay Night got a huge downgrade. IDK how Death Battle will do things, but if they're like us then Doom, Sinbad, and the Emperor are all super stomps now.
Luke might flip this.
Downgraded to what Tier now?So Fate/stay Night got a huge downgrade
almost everyone's back to tier 5 I believeDowngraded to what Tier now?
Tbh I always felt Fate/Stay night been a bit wanked. But man I didn’t expect that level of a downgrade.
Winter without the Maiden powers cut off Cinder's arm
Qrow has a direct statement that him and three other huntsmen on his level would be sufficient to kill Cinder
The Ace Ops overpowered Penny who has a Low 7-B feat without using the Maiden powers
Its a major plot point that Cinder, Emerald, and Mercury beat and nearly killed the previous Fall Maiden
In their initial encounter with Salem, who is stronger and more durable than Cinder, Yang's explosives were able to rip her torso apart. Vine previously tanked a dozen of these same explosives to the face.
noWhy is this MU starting to pick up? Can it go away?
Ruby is blatantly fasterNah if there doing the episode it be this
Speed even on both sides
Strength and AP goes to Maka DB doesn't buy the maiden scaling and stuff folks argue for RWBY
No she isn't but let's be generous and say she is it's not by any metric to the point of blitzingRuby is blatantly faster
Even without Maiden scaling Ruby is Low 7-B
She is faster. There is a TON wrong with Maka being anywhere near FTL on her own.No she isn't but let's be generous and say she is it's not by any metric to the point of blitzing
She isn't city either maiden scaling is her only argument there and not even something the crew buy
Your eminence while you were sealed away by the dastardly cabal of mods. I have continued your work in upgrading Bioshock.She is faster. There is a TON wrong with Maka being anywhere near FTL on her own.
Literally none of the Low 7-B feats were done by the maidens. Get Jinx's 'theyre only Low 7-B because of the maidens' argument out of your head, its not correct.
The more time goes on the more I hate localizers
Yeah, of course someone like you would post something this heinous
I mean if its ep 200 aka next next time Id say thats pretty soon :VRelax nerds Ruby vs Maka aint happening anytime soon ya can kill each other when It does come in
Since they are clearly blackboxing the reason why Marvel uni is big deal, lowkey I kinda got significantly lowballed vibes from the feat for DB standards. If Ultima can revert time and negate physical damage dealt to it, this feat wont help much.Gonna be real, I don't agree with the First Firmanent chains feat; at least not how they interpret it. Chains being made from the First Firmament and chains being made by the First Firmament are two different things. The chains that were used to bind Eternity were a direct creation of the First Firmament itself while the chains used to bind Hulk were just made from their essence.
It's still an impressive feat but I do not at all agree with the idea that Hulk's feat would scale to Galactus or Eternity being unable to break the chains that bound Eternity.
At least Metal and Mechagoji are robuts. It already makes MU viable vs CellDarksamus lolThis is just everything people hated about Cell vs Dark Samus, except even Dark Samus could emote, while Mechagodzilla is an alien controlled robot.