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DEATH BATTLE! Discussion Thread (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)

Amber was a new maiden and inexperienced. Her best feat is creating the storm, but all she was doing was trying to hit them with lightning and a few things holding them off bay. Merc, Cinder and Em were ambush prep-timing her too. Its been proven Maidens can be 'held off' with a large group of huntsmen elsewhere like Penny vs the AceOps
Yes, this is why they downscale.
Maiden powers have just not proven to scale their physicals to the environmental elemental capabilities. Maiden powers are literal magic which in RWBY seems to only extend to energy and elemental attacks. They dont amp physically as opposed to just being a potent magical force, and thus i dont think we should be scaling anyone to high-end magic maiden feats just cause they could box Cinder in cqc for a while.

Rwby makes it a huge point that Magic is its own separate power (for some reason?) so it in general just shouldnt be scaled based on only aura/semblance properties.
None of the Low 7-B arguments being made are using magic as justification, only as supporting evidence. Especially when the cast has tanked elemental attacks from the Maidens that have been calced in the tier 7 range.
And yh you're right about the Grimm arm. Literally first time it gets properly revealed in V5, they make it known as a huge glaring weakspot for Cinder and that its nowhere near as durable. Its only really good for absorbing magic, stretching and regenerating but other than that its a huuuuge detriment
Nothing says or implies its less durable, just that it doesnt have a forcefield. Cinder using it to physically grab people comparable to her in power as well as using it in both h2h and swordplay proves its just as durable as the rest of her.
 
Why they 'downscale', but you're comparing a characters general physicals to their maiden powers when it just does not give that sort of buff sorry to say.

The whole point of the maidens and their overwhelming power comes from their magic control of the elements. The rest are literally you just assuming things happening off screen and trying to put them together 5 volumes apart. It gets a bit tiring atp. Cinders melting of Amity is still unclear af too, since hes literally got her semblance, use of dust AND maiden powers, and its very indescript how much she actually melted through iirc.

Er yeah, it does. Raven quite literally says it flat out to the audience that Cinders weakspot is her Grimm arm. And it gets cut effortlessly. It just regens and has hax to it but otherwise its not basis for scaling characters to MAIDEN level power for simply cutting off a significantly weaker part of her. You're trying to scale the properties of a scall-scale Grimm to Maidens, and thats where it gets foggy
 

Gonna be real, I don't agree with the First Firmanent chains feat; at least not how they interpret it. Chains being made from the First Firmament and chains being made by the First Firmament are two different things. The chains that were used to bind Eternity were a direct creation of the First Firmament itself while the chains used to bind Hulk were just made from their essence.

It's still an impressive feat but I do not at all agree with the idea that Hulk's feat would scale to Galactus or Eternity being unable to break the chains that bound Eternity.
 
Gonna be real, I don't agree with the First Firmanent chains feat; at least not how they interpret it. Chains being made from the First Firmament and chains being made by the First Firmament are two different things. The chains that were used to bind Eternity were a direct creation of the First Firmament itself while the chains used to bind Hulk were just made from their essence.

It's still an impressive feat but I do not at all agree with the idea that Hulk's feat would scale to Galactus or Eternity being unable to break the chains that bound Eternity.
The title page from the comic in which the feat happened literally calls them “eternity’s chains” so I think it might just be a miscommunication on their part.
 
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Why they 'downscale', but you're comparing a characters general physicals to their maiden powers when it just does not give that sort of buff sorry to say.

The whole point of the maidens and their overwhelming power comes from their magic control of the elements. The rest are literally you just assuming things happening off screen and trying to put them together 5 volumes apart. It gets a bit tiring atp. Cinders melting of Amity is still unclear af too, since hes literally got her semblance, use of dust AND maiden powers, and its very indescript how much she actually melted through iirc.
Again, the maidens arent the ones with the Low 7-B feats. Youre hyperfixating on the wrong part of the argument again
Er yeah, it does. Raven quite literally says it flat out to the audience that Cinders weakspot is her Grimm arm. And it gets cut effortlessly. It just regens and has hax to it but otherwise its not basis for scaling characters to MAIDEN level power for simply cutting off a significantly weaker part of her. You're trying to scale the properties of a scall-scale Grimm to Maidens, and thats where it gets foggy
If a human is wearing a suit of armor and the arm of that armor is removed, does that make the human's arm less durable than the rest of the human underneath the armor? No, it doesnt, it just means its vulnerable to damage because theres nothing protecting it, it doesnt make it weaker or less durable. If it was she literally wouldnt be able to use it in h2h combat because she'd destroy it every time she tries to throw a punch or swing a sword. Also not sure where you got the idea that im scaling grimm to this, youre pulling that out of nowhere lol
Either way this isnt the RWBY section so im holding it there for now and unfollowing.
Mkay
 
I think Ruby might take speed (Unless there's something I'm missing from Soul Eater) but Maka takes strength and durability by quite a wide margin (I think we had town level mentioned for Ruby is a black box)
 
I think Ruby might take speed (Unless there's something I'm missing from Soul Eater) but Maka takes strength and durability by quite a wide margin (I think we had town level mentioned for Ruby is a black box)
Theres a lot youre missing from Soul Eater yes. Maka wouldnt take strength or durability due to her only getting the stats that people put her at through outside help
 
I think Ruby might take speed (Unless there's something I'm missing from Soul Eater) but Maka takes strength and durability by quite a wide margin (I think we had town level mentioned for Ruby is a black box)
Nah if there doing the episode it be this
Speed even on both sides

Strength and AP goes to Maka DB doesn't buy the maiden scaling and stuff folks argue for RWBY
 
Tbh I always felt Fate/Stay night been a bit wanked. But man I didn’t expect that level of a downgrade.

Wow, I remember so many threads being made trying to get this thing to 1-A, I think by the same guy. I don't know when it finally got accepted, but damn talk about one step forward three tiers back.
 
Winter without the Maiden powers cut off Cinder's arm

Qrow has a direct statement that him and three other huntsmen on his level would be sufficient to kill Cinder

The Ace Ops overpowered Penny who has a Low 7-B feat without using the Maiden powers

Its a major plot point that Cinder, Emerald, and Mercury beat and nearly killed the previous Fall Maiden

In their initial encounter with Salem, who is stronger and more durable than Cinder, Yang's explosives were able to rip her torso apart. Vine previously tanked a dozen of these same explosives to the face.
 
Nah if there doing the episode it be this
Speed even on both sides

Strength and AP goes to Maka DB doesn't buy the maiden scaling and stuff folks argue for RWBY
Ruby is blatantly faster

Even without Maiden scaling Ruby is Low 7-B
 
Ruby is blatantly faster

Even without Maiden scaling Ruby is Low 7-B
No she isn't but let's be generous and say she is it's not by any metric to the point of blitzing

She isn't city either maiden scaling is her only argument there and not even something the crew buy
 
No she isn't but let's be generous and say she is it's not by any metric to the point of blitzing

She isn't city either maiden scaling is her only argument there and not even something the crew buy
She is faster. There is a TON wrong with Maka being anywhere near FTL on her own.

Literally none of the Low 7-B feats were done by the maidens. Get Jinx's 'theyre only Low 7-B because of the maidens' argument out of your head, its not correct.
 
She is faster. There is a TON wrong with Maka being anywhere near FTL on her own.

Literally none of the Low 7-B feats were done by the maidens. Get Jinx's 'theyre only Low 7-B because of the maidens' argument out of your head, its not correct.
Your eminence while you were sealed away by the dastardly cabal of mods. I have continued your work in upgrading Bioshock.
 
Yeah, of course someone like you would post something this heinous
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While I shouldnt please Weekly, from my limited knowledge, technically Maka probably is intended to be weaker than BlackStar & Kid. Not that that would automatically mean Ruby is better in AP.
Relax nerds Ruby vs Maka aint happening anytime soon ya can kill each other when It does come in
I mean if its ep 200 aka next next time Id say thats pretty soon :V

Gonna be real, I don't agree with the First Firmanent chains feat; at least not how they interpret it. Chains being made from the First Firmament and chains being made by the First Firmament are two different things. The chains that were used to bind Eternity were a direct creation of the First Firmament itself while the chains used to bind Hulk were just made from their essence.

It's still an impressive feat but I do not at all agree with the idea that Hulk's feat would scale to Galactus or Eternity being unable to break the chains that bound Eternity.
Since they are clearly blackboxing the reason why Marvel uni is big deal, lowkey I kinda got significantly lowballed vibes from the feat for DB standards. If Ultima can revert time and negate physical damage dealt to it, this feat wont help much.

This is just everything people hated about Cell vs Dark Samus, except even Dark Samus could emote, while Mechagodzilla is an alien controlled robot.
At least Metal and Mechagoji are robuts. It already makes MU viable vs CellDarksamus lol
 
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