DEATH BATTLE! Discussion Thread (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)

[TsukasayaEmmaDCD]

Honestly what liam said is that he does believe 1.3 dimensional gap isn't too much. But that's because it's a bit close. So like, there is a limit

 

[XXBenShapiroXx]

By that logic Simon can beat anyone

Based your honor

 

[StarShooter80]

What do you guys think is the most mid episode? Mid as in a definitive 5/10, no more no less

 

[Jimmy.robinson.5099]

I wonder if AangTraveler will open the door for gacha slop MUs to skyrocket in popularity.

That might depend on your definition of "slop" in this context...

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

I wonder if AangTraveler will open the door for gacha slop MUs to skyrocket in popularity.

I hope to see Kiana Kaslana on the show, especially that unlike the traveler, her "main" story is mostly done by now. And given she's a hoyo character, I think she could do fairly well views wise? (Granted, HI3 doesn't quite have the same amount of popularity as Hoyo's other games)

Noel Vermillion from Blazblu seems to generally be her most popular MU.

 

[Tipper17]

Aang vs Traveler remains a match that exists huh.

It is

For me it's

Arlecchino (Genshin Impact)

Arlecchino (アルレッキーノ, Arurekkīno?), also known by her codename "The Knave", is a playable Pyro character in Genshin Impact. She is the Fourth of the Eleven Fatui Harbingers and the current director of the House of the Hearth. She is addressed as "Father" by members of the House, whom she calls...

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Ulquiorra Cifer

Ulquiorra Cifer (ウルキオラ・シファー, Urukiora Shifā?) is the 4th Espada of Sosuke Aizen's army. As an Espada, the aspect of death he symbolizes is emptiness. Tier: 6-A, High 6-A with Gran Rey Cero, High 6-A with Resurrección, higher with Cero Oscuras, far higher with Gran Rey Cero, at least High 6-A...

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And for Aang you have him fight Yugo cause like Wakfu is cool and has a personality and a character and is not basically a faceless harem mc.

Don't see the connection here and Itachi vs Arlecchino make far more sense given both deal with illusion

Raiden Shogun (Genshin Impact)

The Raiden Shogun (雷電らいでん将しょう軍ぐん, Raiden Shōgun?), true name Ei (影えい?), is the Electro Archon and the exalted ruler of the island nation of Inazuma. Despite her status as the incarnation of thunder itself, transient and instantaneous, she is committed to the pursuit of Eternity, the preservation...

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SIGH...

^She was literally right there, as multiple others have said both on and off site Raiden Shogun/Ei is one of the few Genshin Impact characters with her OWN clear cut tangible feats, lore and statements that don't rely on any dubious cross-scaling or assumptions while still being a very popluar character in the gacha community (At least back when Genshin Impact was at it's peak).

If DB had to have a Genshin rep, it should've been one of the Archons, Harbingers or lesser deities like Xiao instead of the Traveler (yup repeating myself), whose best stats rely on scaling to other characters that either beat the Traveler or the Traveler needed help/outside power source in order to win plus the whole "still developing" argument which has already been mentioned multiple times I won't go into any more details about it.

Also the very real prospect of seeing a beloved childhood hero (Aang) losing to a generic gacha protag (most of Aether/Lumine's voicelines and characterization is in optional flavour text/speech with Paimon) is already causing some preemptive ill will.

Without any bias if you give Aang the highest feasible interpretations (yes 1-A Avatar state is an actual thing and yes the reasoning behind it is just a dumb as saying "outerversal Korra", who still loses to Storm even if both were 1-A) which is 5-C with MHS+ speed then the Traveler can get any manor of ridiculous scaling with high end interpretations from world destroying lore to a possible black hole and realm creation feats.

Again it's really difficult to scale a character when they are canonically not at full power, their best feats/scaling aren't fully theirs while also getting a non-standard one off boost and they often lose or are forced to retreat.

Tl;dr: There were better and less controversial Genshin MUs with fewer assumptions involved with the rep but it is what it is, the elemental animation potential is self explanatory and it'll interesting to see DBs interpretation of gacha scaling while trying to explain the lore and more esoteric applications of GIs power system to the casual audience (many have likely played the game for a few months got bored of the open world novelty and moved on).

DjTiki said this not too long ago, if you haven't seen it.

"Speaking personally as a Hoyo fan I think Traveler makes the most sense as a first outing into Genshin.

Xiao you'd have to talk about the demon clans which is super removed from Teyvat's history and would be a terrible first impression.

Raiden Shogun talks about a lot of subtext and lore about Archons and is barely onscreen doing anything cool (at the time her requests were big) This really goes for all the Archons

I think besides Traveler, Childe / Tartaglia would be my runner up pick for their first outing. Cool on screen action, connected to the main plot, has an actual rivalry with the MC."

also to add Raiden Shogun mu spread were not good
Madara already had Aizen
Raiden Mk vs her is mid ngl and i doubt DB has any interest in running him back
so there was no chance there
the only mu outside i that would've been a decent alt

 

[Tipper17]

I hope to see Kiana Kaslana on the show, especially that unlike the traveler, her "main" story is mostly done by now. And given she's a hoyo character, I think she could do fairly well views wise? (Granted, HI3 doesn't quite have the same amount of popularity as Hoyo's other games)

Noel Vermillion from Blazblu seems to generally be her most popular MU.

meh can't say i see that one happening doesn't help that BB is dead

 

[0ホルスファルコン将軍0]

What do you guys think is the most mid episode? Mid as in a definitive 5/10, no more no less

Iron Man VS Batman, really disappointing and didn’t live up to its potential

 

[Doggo]

What's up with this two figthing big hateful lizards?

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

meh can't say i see that one happening doesn't help that BB is dead

I just hope Kiana shows up one day. Though looking at her alternatives, it ain't looking too good, since her other most popular alts (Naruto, Shulk, Ruby Rose lmfao?) all have much better MUs of their own.

I did remember proposing Kiana against Hal Jordan (Funny, I know) and while I think that one has some actually good connections and fight potential, Hal vs Ben is just unfortunately much more popular and likely to happen. Oh well.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

What do you guys think is the most mid episode? Mid as in a definitive 5/10, no more no less

Killua vs Misaka

 

[Doggo]

It is

Don't see the connection here and Itachi vs Arlecchino make far more sense given both deal with illusion


also to add Raiden Shogun mu spread were not good
Madara already had Aizen
Raiden Mk vs her is mid ngl and i doubt DB has any interest in running him back
so there was no chance there
the only mu outside i that would've been a decent alt

Raiden vs Malenia exists.

 

[Doggo]

I just hope Kiana shows up one day. Though looking at her alternatives, it ain't looking too good, since her other most popular alts (Naruto, Shulk, Ruby Rose lmfao?) all have much better MUs of their own.

I did remember proposing Kiana against Hal Jordan (Funny, I know) and while I think that one has some actually good connections and fight potential, Hal vs Ben is just unfortunately much more popular and likely to happen. Oh well.

Connections for Kiana vs Hal?

 

[Tots_Real]

Don't see the connection here and Itachi vs Arlecchino make far more sense given both deal with illusion

Both are the 4th ranked member of villain group comparable demeanors who are both associated with the moon.
Both possess addition forums that release their full power and both posses wings (though Ulquiorra only gets them in his Resurreccións).
They also have simular color schemes that being black and white + a primary color with the primary color also being their eye color and the color of their attack but as a connection it's pretty sh*t I know.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Connections for Kiana vs Hal?

Took me a while to find it, but here is the one I wrote years ago.

I think the main premise is moreorless cocky, reckless and womanizing heroes with a heart of gold, who end up getting possessed by cosmic entities and wrecking havoc, after being betrayed by a man associated with yellow, changing their lives forever, only for them to push through and come out stronger.

Spoiler

• Both start out as just regular people, though in the case of Kiana, while she is a hidden experimental weapon until revealed later on, she lives a normal human life before joining Schicksal.
• Both were very close to their fathers before said fathers disappeared from their lives (Siegfried ran off to protect Kiana while Hal's father dies). Both also have some form of daddy issues.
• Both receives powers from a source from outer space (Kiana's powers come from the honkai while Hal's power comes from his ring)
• Both are eventually roped into something far bigger through meeting the thing that gave them their powers. (Hal became GL when he met Abin Sur and Kiana, after the Nagazoro incident, would go through a series of events that would cause her to join schicksal)
• Both are somewhat similar personality during their earlier years, while still kind hearted and had good intentions, both were arrogant, overconfident and had a habit of not taking things seriously. This often led them into trouble a lot. Both are even notorious womanizers.
• Eventually a high ranking individual within their respective organizations (Sinestro and Otto) would plot against them and lead down into a dark path, said plan led to both being possessed by cosmic forces (Parallax possesses Hal and The Herrscher of the Void possesses Kiana)
• This would lead them to fighting their former friends and lead to the death of one of their closest friends/mentors (Kilowog and Murata Himeko), something that would haunt them for years to come.
• Would eventually break out of their control and would try to amend for their mistakes, while simultaneously distancing themselves from their former friends.
• Both have even become outlaws and on the run in the past.
• Both have a girlfriend that briefly became their enemies but would then become their allies.
• Both would eventually learn to fully accept themselves and mature, while keeping their main personality traits and becoming stronger than ever before.
• Both would even reach Godhood again, but changed this time around (God of Light Hal and Herrscher of Finality Kiana)
• Both even sacrificed themselves on a planetoid to defeat an enemy (Hal blows himself and Oa up to defeat Sinestro while Kiana seals herself within the moon to seal off the Honkai)
• Both have a close one with some sort of connection to lightning (Barry Allen and Raiden Mei)

I think their personalities would mesh together really well and create some fun dialogue, and animation potential would be great given both of their versatile arsenals. That is if they bother to be more creative with GL.

 

[ZeNoviceArtist]

What do you guys think is the most mid episode? Mid as in a definitive 5/10, no more no less

Martian Manhunter vs Silver Surfer. The only memorable thing about it was the sad death.

 

[Doggo]

Took me a while to find it, but here is the one I wrote years ago.

I think the main premise is moreorless cocky, reckless and womanizing heroes with a heart of gold, who end up getting possessed by cosmic entities and wrecking havoc, after being betrayed by a man associated with yellow, changing their lives forever, only for them to push through and come out stronger.

Spoiler

• Both start out as just regular people, though in the case of Kiana, while she is a hidden experimental weapon until revealed later on, she lives a normal human life before joining Schicksal.
• Both were very close to their fathers before said fathers disappeared from their lives (Siegfried ran off to protect Kiana while Hal's father dies). Both also have some form of daddy issues.
• Both receives powers from a source from outer space (Kiana's powers come from the honkai while Hal's power comes from his ring)
• Both are eventually roped into something far bigger through meeting the thing that gave them their powers. (Hal became GL when he met Abin Sur and Kiana, after the Nagazoro incident, would go through a series of events that would cause her to join schicksal)
• Both are somewhat similar personality during their earlier years, while still kind hearted and had good intentions, both were arrogant, overconfident and had a habit of not taking things seriously. This often led them into trouble a lot. Both are even notorious womanizers.
• Eventually a high ranking individual within their respective organizations (Sinestro and Otto) would plot against them and lead down into a dark path, said plan led to both being possessed by cosmic forces (Parallax possesses Hal and The Herrscher of the Void possesses Kiana)
• This would lead them to fighting their former friends and lead to the death of one of their closest friends/mentors (Kilowog and Murata Himeko), something that would haunt them for years to come.
• Would eventually break out of their control and would try to amend for their mistakes, while simultaneously distancing themselves from their former friends.
• Both have even become outlaws and on the run in the past.
• Both have a girlfriend that briefly became their enemies but would then become their allies.
• Both would eventually learn to fully accept themselves and mature, while keeping their main personality traits and becoming stronger than ever before.
• Both would even reach Godhood again, but changed this time around (God of Light Hal and Herrscher of Finality Kiana)
• Both even sacrificed themselves on a planetoid to defeat an enemy (Hal blows himself and Oa up to defeat Sinestro while Kiana seals herself within the moon to seal off the Honkai)
• Both have a close one with some sort of connection to lightning (Barry Allen and Raiden Mei)

I think their personalities would mesh together really well and create some fun dialogue, and animation potential would be great given both of their versatile arsenals. That is if they bother to be more creative with GL.

Cool. I feel like this going to be Ghost Rider vs Spawn scanario because Kiana's hax is busted

 

[TMaakkonen]

Doing more thinkening, since they made Otoko Simon R>F Outerversal, doesnt that mean that Simon who absorbed the Multiversal Labyrinth absorbed that specifically too? So actually, Simon didnt jump from 3D/4D to 11D, it jumped to Outer right there and then. And this was before TTGL btw. They just talked about the 11D vs 12.3D gap not being too much for casual audience, but if he jumped to Outer right there, then the gap is even lower. Maybe they considered that fact in verdict?

 

[StarShooter80]

How would you even tier fraction dimensions

 

[BlackDarkness679]

 

[StarShooter80]

 

[Dust_Collector]

How many battle royale MU's are viable enough to be an episode on DB?

Given the average length of an episode and how even just 5 combatants as seen in the Mega Man BR can end up making each analysis seem rushed, it's hard to imagine many matches like that without doing ones that only require a handful of characters.

 

[BlackDarkness679]

 

[TMaakkonen]

WB is kinda mess :V

 

[Dust_Collector]

WB is kinda mess :V

That's putting it lightly

 

[TMaakkonen]

Anyways, lets try to do WileTom argumentin.

Tbh full composite seemingly could mean both can do anything via reality warping items if you include all niche shit. But unlike ScoobyCourage, Im not sure that theyd be fully immune to each others hax.

Wile's shit has backfired against him, but Wile does fight generally way tougher toonforce users than Tom. I dont think Tom is that flawless, is he?

Unlike Reddit, Id also argue Tom could be affected by anti-looney DNA. They are both generally toons, they should be generally comparable just as DB has generalized different verse stuff.

Anyone have anything else to add?

 

[Alexander]

Doing more thinkening, since they made Otoko Simon R>F Outerversal, doesnt that mean that Simon who absorbed the Multiversal Labyrinth absorbed that specifically too? So actually, Simon didnt jump from 3D/4D to 11D, it jumped to Outer right there and then. And this was before TTGL btw. They just talked about the 11D vs 12.3D gap not being too much for casual audience, but if he jumped to Outer right there, then the gap is even lower. Maybe they considered that fact in verdict?

I mean yeah, they themselves mentioned

 

[The_Axiom_of_Virgo]

It was the candy of fighting games; sweet and appealing at first but after awhile you realize it lacks any real substance or fulfillment thus you move on to games with content you can really sink your teeth into without feeling sick or the taste disappearing after a short while.

 

[BlackDarkness679]

It was the candy of fighting games; sweet and appealing at first but after awhile you realize it lacks any real substance or fulfillment thus you move on to games with content you can really sink your teeth into without feeling sick or the taste disappearing after a short while.

It shows Street Fighter, Tekken and Guilty Gear are the big 3 nowadays of the fighting games

 

[StarShooter80]

It was the candy of fighting games; sweet and appealing at first but after awhile you realize it lacks any real substance or fulfillment thus you move on to games with content you can really sink your teeth into without feeling sick or the taste disappearing after a short while.

Any game that tries to be the next smash brothers will always fall flat after an initial uproar of hype

 

[TMaakkonen]

1.617 mil views for SimonKyle. Bretty good.

 

[BlackDarkness679]

After 1 week

 

[Alexander]

Sendokai got the same amount of views in a day (and the channel has only 1 million subscribers.)

 

[ZeNoviceArtist]

 

[MagdalenusTenebrosus]

I wanna clarify because I saw some claims earlier, maybe by DB's standards Simon can reach 1-A+, by their logic, but not really any further. They seemed to imply he can adapt to higher levels of R>F (Which is bleh. I fully buy the dimensional adaptation but there is absolutely zero zilch evidence he can jump up higher levels of R>F beyond his initial creation of the Super Spiral Universe), but it would still be an NLF to suggest that means he can reach High 1-A. Even then, literally nothing can reach tier 0 through getting stronger.

 

[Tipper17]

 

[Alexander]

I wanna clarify because I saw some claims earlier, maybe by DB's standards Simon can reach 1-A+, by their logic, but not really any further. They seemed to imply he can adapt to higher levels of R>F (Which is bleh. I fully buy the dimensional adaptation but there is absolutely zero zilch evidence he can jump up higher levels of R>F beyond his initial creation of the Super Spiral Universe), but it would still be an NLF to suggest that means he can reach High 1-A. Even then, literally nothing can reach tier 0 through getting stronger.

NLF is, again, has stated by the NLF itself, arguing something has no limits based on some unknown limits

 

[NotoriouSoda]

I wanna clarify because I saw some claims earlier, maybe by DB's standards Simon can reach 1-A+, by their logic, but not really any further. They seemed to imply he can adapt to higher levels of R>F (Which is bleh. I fully buy the dimensional adaptation but there is absolutely zero zilch evidence he can jump up higher levels of R>F beyond his initial creation of the Super Spiral Universe), but it would still be an NLF to suggest that means he can reach High 1-A. Even then, literally nothing can reach tier 0 through getting stronger.

So what you’re saying is that Simon is a Wally West victim?

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

High 1-A operates on a completely different, transcendent and superior hierarchy in relation to 1-A to 1-A+ structures

A.K.A, Simon's power shouldn't be able to reach such tier even if he is 1-A and/or can jump through superior qualitative layers

 

[Alexander]

High 1-A operates on a completely different, transcendent and superior hierarchy in relation to 1-A to 1-A+ structures

A.K.A, Simon's power shouldn't be able to reach such tier even if he is 1-A and/or can jump through superior qualitative layers

can he eventually reach that?