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DEATH BATTLE! Discussion Thread (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)
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Does this change any of his MU? I don’t think Zero is gonna make a comeback anytime soon.
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I'm kinda mixed about it. Assuming that Imperiex's big bang is truly 1-B, then Kyle holding it back is kinda legit. But the problem is that earlier on in the story arc, Kyle was defeated by a mere Imperiex probe, so it does kinda cause some weird scaling issues. Though considering Kyle's power is variable on his will, you could argue he was much more locked in their second fight than the first.
Kyle holding back that big bang is legit, but the bigger question is if that big bang is actually 1-B or just standard Low 2-C. I'd have to reread our worlds at war since it's been over a year since I last read it.
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So my review of the preview. I liked it a lot.
They really stepped their game up with the editing and I hope they continue this going forward, especially really like the Hal into Parallax section.
Analysis is alright. Kyle for the most part should scale to a majority of the other Lantern abilities. While I'm fine with scaling Modern GL Kyle to Pre-Crisis Hal Jordan in terms of stats, as I'd argue Modern GL Kyle is comparable if not surpasses him by this point, scaling Kyle to stuff like the speed force singularity is kinda wack as that's establish to be Modern Hal pushing his limits, which is well above what Modern GL Kyle can do. AP wise is fine if though I'm a bit neutral towards Imperiex's big bang being 1-B. Again, I'd have to reread the comic.
They really stepped their game up with the editing and I hope they continue this going forward, especially really like the Hal into Parallax section.
Analysis is alright. Kyle for the most part should scale to a majority of the other Lantern abilities. While I'm fine with scaling Modern GL Kyle to Pre-Crisis Hal Jordan in terms of stats, as I'd argue Modern GL Kyle is comparable if not surpasses him by this point, scaling Kyle to stuff like the speed force singularity is kinda wack as that's establish to be Modern Hal pushing his limits, which is well above what Modern GL Kyle can do. AP wise is fine if though I'm a bit neutral towards Imperiex's big bang being 1-B. Again, I'd have to reread the comic.
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I like that they're giving more attention on Kyle's GL stuff rather than just purely focusing on WL stuff. I do hope they cover Ion because Ion is honestly a lot cooler than WL in terms of their story arcs.
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That's not really what the key is, Post Circle of Fire Kyle is more just regular GL Kyle but stronger. It's him after overcoming a lot of his previous mental blocks and trauma.
And while the absorbing Ion over true is kinda true, even without it, Kyle has significantly improved as a Lantern even when without Ion.
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I prefer it over the current MU
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Again, if you take this at full wank, Simon can reach High 1-B+ to even 1-A, but this is up to you guys to decide.
Also, this is assuming that Death Battle even knows about this information.
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I guess technically this info might have come just in time since Kirb made the Outer STTGL Blog in August last year, right as KS was getting finished. So they might have had time to hear about this.
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Discord says he watched his show and knows how he dies, but it didnt matter according to them, i guess its due to Discord not having ways to deal with Bill even with that info
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You really think they will include 20D shit and all?
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Its anyones guess, black box info likely tbh.
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If only they didnt scale DC heralds so high, how come only marvel heralds lost a couple of times to non DC characters in over 11 seasons of this show, even street level DC characters or alternate versions lost once to a non marvel character
Like even if they claim they arent riding on DC agenda, their win loss record doesnt suggest it, if Simon cant beat a DC herald, chances are there wont be anyone who can, unless its some obscure chinese novel type series too niche to even get a chance to appear
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Its a nuanced discussion. DC is strong verse, so in theory even if DC does win a lot, that itself doesnt mean they are biased for DC.
Its the fact that they do show a lot of leniency for DC, like how supposedly the Kyle big bang feat has caveats that they ignore and for Raven's stats were contested as well.
Anyone else feel like DB gives DC a lot of leniency in using some feats?
Its the fact that they do show a lot of leniency for DC, like how supposedly the Kyle big bang feat has caveats that they ignore and for Raven's stats were contested as well.
Anyone else feel like DB gives DC a lot of leniency in using some feats?
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I get the feeling they're gonna use the planck scale universal argument thing to argue Kyle has the range to affect STTGL.
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They'll probably say "Another GL John Stewart, created a construct solar system, so Kyle must be able to do the same thing"
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Even though John is clearly the more skilled GL Lantern.
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Only thing countering planck is the famous.
However, the catch is that those werent galaxies, but rather universes. If one were to scale STTGL to smallest light and make that small light as universe, weeeell itd be bit bigger than we assumed.
...Actually wait, the TTGL Wiki says regular TTGL already has immeasurable size? And that even at worst itd be 10^25 in size(wait its 10*25 vs regular GL, nvm)? You can already see difference with Grazenboma there.
However, the catch is that those werent galaxies, but rather universes. If one were to scale STTGL to smallest light and make that small light as universe, weeeell itd be bit bigger than we assumed.
...Actually wait, the TTGL Wiki says regular TTGL already has immeasurable size? And that even at worst itd be 10^25 in size(wait its 10*25 vs regular GL, nvm)? You can already see difference with Grazenboma there.
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Eh not really? Kyle is held in regard in the same league as John by both the Guardians and the Justice League, and scaling wise, I'd argue them to be comparable if not Kyle being slightly higher, especially with Kyle generally being much more imaginative.
Except modern stuff though since John recently got an amp a few years back.
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Man that i Heard that Word so many times that i now asociate It with another show
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Didn't John have access to a completely different side of the emotional spectrum? Imo I think thats more impressive then becoming a WL.
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Yeah but that's more recently. The 4-B thing happens way long ago in PC. Previously speaking, Base GL John is fairly relative to Base GL Kyle.
Plus even his newer GL feats ain't that much higher than his usual stuff so eh.
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I tried looking for all the "infinite dimensional" statements in DC:
Rama Kushna's statement of Innumerable Dimensions to Deadman in DC Universe Presents #2 (2011): "There are innumerable dimensions. This one exists just two steps removed from your own. But you no more understand it than a mosquito understands the bottom of the ocean. You stand upon a platform composed of solid gravity. Time in this place is no longer an abstract -- it is a malleable force that plugs gaps in the universal fabric."
For context Rama Kushna is a being within the Sphere of the Gods, which technically is actually "2 dimensions" removed from Deadman's universe if we consider universe/multiverse --> Bleedpace --> Godsphere. This thus would still be referring to governing layers of the DCU, not the local universe/multiverse.
The Wanderer's statements of Infinite Dimensions in Larfleeze #3 (September, 2013), Larfleeze #4 (October, 2013), and Larfleeze #5 (November 2013):
From Larfleeze #3: "I have the ability to see into the past and the future... Into parallel worlds and boundless dimensions. It can get a little confusing sometimes. Oh, yes. I sailed through the cosmic rubble for thousands of years, and then I found the anomal... What you call the creation point --- the nexus where one dimension terminates -- and another begins. Flying too close, I was sucked into the fiery heart of the point -- tumbling through life and non-life... annihilation and rebirth... Finally finding myself -- in your dimension. I couldn't wait to tell the others about what I'd found! Here perhaps, the house of Tuath-Dan could roam for all eternity -- each of us claiming our own corners of this vast, virgin universe!"
From Larfleeze #4, by The Wanderer: "When you've spent billions of years seeing into the past and the future -- parallel worlds and infinite dimensions -- the mind tends to fragment a little. It gets harder and harder to pay attention to what you're--"
From Larfleeze #5, by The Wanderer: "As I've explained before, my consciousness exists both in past and present... Across parallel worlds and infinite dimensions ---- which makes it a little hard to focus on the here and now."
Now in my opinion just looking at the statements it doesn't apply to the dimensionality of the multiverse, but let's ask an AI:
Rama Kushna's statement of Innumerable Dimensions to Deadman in DC Universe Presents #2 (2011): "There are innumerable dimensions. This one exists just two steps removed from your own. But you no more understand it than a mosquito understands the bottom of the ocean. You stand upon a platform composed of solid gravity. Time in this place is no longer an abstract -- it is a malleable force that plugs gaps in the universal fabric."
For context Rama Kushna is a being within the Sphere of the Gods, which technically is actually "2 dimensions" removed from Deadman's universe if we consider universe/multiverse --> Bleedpace --> Godsphere. This thus would still be referring to governing layers of the DCU, not the local universe/multiverse.
The Wanderer's statements of Infinite Dimensions in Larfleeze #3 (September, 2013), Larfleeze #4 (October, 2013), and Larfleeze #5 (November 2013):
From Larfleeze #3: "I have the ability to see into the past and the future... Into parallel worlds and boundless dimensions. It can get a little confusing sometimes. Oh, yes. I sailed through the cosmic rubble for thousands of years, and then I found the anomal... What you call the creation point --- the nexus where one dimension terminates -- and another begins. Flying too close, I was sucked into the fiery heart of the point -- tumbling through life and non-life... annihilation and rebirth... Finally finding myself -- in your dimension. I couldn't wait to tell the others about what I'd found! Here perhaps, the house of Tuath-Dan could roam for all eternity -- each of us claiming our own corners of this vast, virgin universe!"
From Larfleeze #4, by The Wanderer: "When you've spent billions of years seeing into the past and the future -- parallel worlds and infinite dimensions -- the mind tends to fragment a little. It gets harder and harder to pay attention to what you're--"
From Larfleeze #5, by The Wanderer: "As I've explained before, my consciousness exists both in past and present... Across parallel worlds and infinite dimensions ---- which makes it a little hard to focus on the here and now."
Now in my opinion just looking at the statements it doesn't apply to the dimensionality of the multiverse, but let's ask an AI:
Can someone give me the 20-D Simon statement?Deepseek says said:
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And people keep bringing Ghost Rider vs Spawn as if Simon vs Kyle is anything remotely similar, lanterns have haxes too, the LE wasnt even given yet, but from what little they said of the ALE in Darkseid episode and the 12.3D vs 11D
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I think people need to pump the breaks like seriously. We have no idea what they're going to scale Simon to or Where WL Kyle is at. Just wait till the epsidoe people
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As far as the preview goes Kyle seems to be way more varied and powerful as a green lantern (12.3D vs 11D, unless 20D), with no white lantern or life equation factored yet, so atm its concerning
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Gumball is back.
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depends meta knight closer in stat now than just MK breathes n zero dies
how impressive was john amp again?
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Here's the Drama CD:
https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1KT411R7JP/
Around the 41:00 mark.
This is the transcript that someone made.
It's best to get someone that knows Japanese to listen to the Drama CD.
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I'm at least impartial to 20D Simon, but given what we have in the previews so far, is there zero chance of that kind of scaling getting - for lack of a better term - golden tree'd? As in, 20D is mentioned nowhere in the analysis, and then it's bought up post-fight out of nowhere?
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Not impossible. Reverse-Flash had most of his best stuff saved for the post-fight if I remember correctly.
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I still think they're going to have them at equal physical stats and it's a battle for the haxes and power sources
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Oh boy a hax battle with DB Lantern that were said to be able to do "anything" in the preview :V
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Good, more material form him when he fights Chowder or SpongeBob.
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