DEATH BATTLE! Discussion Thread (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)

[BlackDarkness679]

Pretty sure a DC herald has immeasurable arguments like omnitrix

 

[Alexander]

Man yes.

1-A is beyond any kind of numerical increase, a Big Bang is still within numbers given his cosmology is within a finite number of dimensions, thus can still be reached with enough multiplications.

It does not matter how big is Ben 10's cosmology, because the gap here it's a quality difference, and not a quantity one. A cosmology bound by dimensionality will never reach the level of a 1-A place because the latter is above any kind of increase, something a big bang is still bound to.

but where is the 1-A of this green lantern, this is not kyle

 

[Alexander]

Pretty sure a DC herald has immeasurable arguments like omnitrix

a timeless void vs...whatever does Hal has

 

[StrymULTRA]

but where is the 1-A of this green lantern, this is not kyle

I didn't read the DC profiles here so I didn't know that.

 

[Alexander]

I didn't read the DC profiles here so I didn't know that.

that explains all

 

[BlackDarkness679]

a timeless void vs...whatever does Hal has

You dont get speed from timeless voids, as many characters have these instances and they clearly aint immeasurable

 

[Alexander]

You dont get speed from timeless voids, as many characters have these instances and they clearly aint immeasurable

this timeless void predates time itself

 

[BlackDarkness679]

this timeless void predates time itself

Ok you dont get immeasurable from moving in one, anyway omnitrix gets its from making sure the annihilarg destroying/creating a universe in ben 10 isnt harming him which i think is infinite and all that

 

[StrymULTRA]

that explains all

I was just replying to the fact that you said that Ben's Omnitrix can block 1-A attacks which is just fanboying real hard lol.

this timeless void predates time itself

Still does not matter, as for any kind of speed you need always Distance/Time.

If there's no time, the speed formula does not work as there was never any amount of time that passed, unlike Immeasurable where time still does exist at least.

 

[Alexander]

Ok you dont get immeasurable from moving in one, anyway omnitrix gets its from making sure the annihilarg destroying/creating a universe in ben 10 isnt harming him which i think is infinite and all that

yeah it is still immeasurable

 

[Alexander]

Still does not matter, as for any kind of speed you need always Distance/Time.

If there's no time, the speed formula does not work as there was never any amount of time that passed, unlike Immeasurable where time still does exist at least.

that makes no sense.
immeasurable speed makes this formula (D/T)useless, because T is completely irrelevant

 

[StrymULTRA]

immeasurable speed makes this formula (D/T)useless, because T is completely irrelevant

Lacking does not mean being above.

You don't make ghosts High 3-A because they lack physical 3-D matter, don't you?

 

[Tipper17]

A not insignificant portion on the subreddit are actually complaining that the kill on Master Chief was too gratuitous/gory and that it bordered on disrespectful. Some are saying that killing Master Chief is OOC for Slayer because he doesn’t kill humans, and I am like—we are spoiled by most deaths as of recent years being disintegrations and now everybody is expecting Jonathan VS Tanjiro type respect.

The best you can say the death could be tone down a bit but at the same time it's the Slayer for ***** sakes

 

[Alexander]

You don't make ghosts High 3-A because they lack physical 3-D matter, don't you?

is not even the same context

 

[StrymULTRA]

is not even the same context

Debunk what I say instead of just saying "nah" with no elaboration lol.

 

[BlackDarkness679]

The best you can say the death could be tone down a bit but at the same time it's the Slayer for ***** sakes

They complain its too gory as if they didnt vote for Chief to fight Doom of all people

 

[Hatsumin]

Lacking does not mean being above.

You don't make ghosts High 3-A because they lack physical 3-D matter, don't you?

Define immeasurable Speed

 

[Alexander]

Lacking does not mean being above.

You don't make ghosts High 3-A because they lack physical 3-D matter, don't you?

if you move in a place that lacks oxygen, you have self-sustance, if you are a ghost without 3D matter, you have intangibility, if you don't have a soul...soul manipulation is useless.

 

[ZeNoviceArtist]

BenHal will forever be apart DB's legacy among normies.

 

[ZeNoviceArtist]

In this wiki. Simon is listed as 1C and Kyle is listed as 2C so how do people see Kyle winning? Is it a similar situation to Spawn vs Ghost Rider?

A new user! Hello

 

[ZeNoviceArtist]

 

[BlackDarkness679]

In this wiki. Simon is listed as 1C and Kyle is listed as 2C so how do people see Kyle winning? Is it a similar situation to Spawn vs Ghost Rider?

Because death battle doesnt follow vs wiki stats, that simple

 

[StrymULTRA]

Define immeasurable Speed

It's speed that is above the speed formula due to the sheer superiority above it. Traveling in time with physical movement is a common example due to it treating time itself as the distance, thus breaking the D/T formula.

Lacking time does not do this.

if you move in a place that lacks oxygen

This does not mean oxygen cannot poison you.

if you are a ghost without 3D matter, you have intangibility

this does not mean your power is above said 3D matter.

if you don't have a soul...soul manipulation is useless.

This does not mean you're above any spiritual entity in power.

Stop making non-sequitirs, please.

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

 

[ZeNoviceArtist]

Ok you dont get immeasurable from moving in one, anyway omnitrix gets its from making sure the annihilarg destroying/creating a universe in ben 10 isnt harming him which i think is infinite and all that

It doesn't? Wouldn't being in a timeless place would mean you would be frozen in place?

 

[Alexander]

It's speed that is above the speed formula due to the sheer superiority above it. Traveling in time with physical movement is a common example due to it treating time itself as the distance, thus breaking the D/T formula.

Lacking time does not do this.

This does not mean oxygen cannot poison you.

tell that to the users of self-sustance

this does not mean your power is above said 3D matter.

it tecnically does

This does not mean you're above any spiritual entity in power.

tecnically you are

Stop making non-sequitirs, please.

okay

 

[Alexander]

It doesn't? Wouldn't being in a timeless place would mean you would be frozen in place?

this

 

[The_Unknown_Warrior1]

Holy shit, a third Overwatch game that's both a mobile AND MOBA title? Knowing how bad all three of those things are, that's like taking dog shit, cat piss, and pig vomit and mixing it in a blender.

Bold prediction: this game's going to bomb hard, and it'll only fuel the disdain and contempt people have towards these mobile exclusive titles I'm looking at you, Diablo Immortal

 

[Hatsumin]

A new user! Hello

Hi i joined just because of Simon though.

 

[ZeNoviceArtist]

This is why Marvel Rivals overtook them in amount of players.

 

[Hatsumin]

Because death battle doesnt follow vs wiki stats, that simple

I guess I just meant like does Simon have way higher AP than Kyle but Kyle way out haxes Simon?

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

Finally got time to watch Master Chief VS Doom Slayer

That episode was so freaking awesome, DevilArtemis'/Fischer's animation was epic (Props to Doomguy catching the rocket himself threw) and the analysis was good, paying respect to both combatants.

That said, Doom Slayer beating the "hE NeEdS lORe tO BeAT CHIef" allegations is so funny, ngl it's weird to see DB pull out a 6-C feat i never had heard before in any other debate involving doom. I'm personally fine with them don't explicitly scaling the Slayer to Multiversal or higher, despite i don't having any problems with those who buy it.

Overall, i would give the episode an 8.5/10 rating, far better than i initially expected.

 

[NotoriouSoda]

Man, what the **** happened to overwatch? Blizzard absolutely fumbled the bag with this IP.

 

[NotoriouSoda]

I guess I just meant like does Simon have way higher AP than Kyle but Kyle way out haxes Simon?

No quite the opposite.

If Kyle gets the LE he will have the massive AP advantage.

 

[Chronicplane]

No quite the opposite.

If Kyle gets the LE he will have the massive AP advantage.

I wanna hear your overall stance on the match (don't have to tho if not it's fine)? Legit Simon has an extremely deadly set of tricks and resistances. Simon's acausality, overpowering cause and effect, existing consciousness through infinite timelines and quick power mimicry an adaptive growth through spiral power seem like strong arguments against Kyle's own versatility which is ironic. Kyle also doesn't seem like he has a lot of experience with TLE nor something he'd use other than when he feel like he's using as a last resort and even then it's debatable even with it, even if I'm skeptical on Kyle having TLE (we'll see what the episode does)

Skimming through this Kyle blog post definitely made me question some things.

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

Regarding the next time: I'm betting on my 2nd most favorite Kyle to wins this, Ghost Rider VS Spawn episode's result is the only thing currently giving people hope tbh.

Most arguments against the LE being used for Kyle also sound like excuses for me, i will not detail the reasons though since pretty much everyone already did so

At least based on my understanding of VSBW's profiles, Doomguy has superior AP and the only way Spawn can kill him iirc is existence erasure or maybe powernull. Of course that's a huge wincon, but Doomguy might get resistance to existence erasure in the future (here's to hoping). Who knows? But Doomguy also has conceptual shit.

Spawn is currently 6d, but his tiering wasn't updated to reflect 6D becoming 1-C instead of Low 1-C

Is it a controversial take to say that I prefer the Death Battles that are on the 'smaller' scale? Not necessarily in terms of the literal size of the characters, but more in terms of their scaling.

Not at all, it became pretty much a common opinion after most cosmic capeshit debates became toxic and annoying

In this wiki. Simon is listed as 1C and Kyle is listed as 2C so how do people see Kyle winning? Is it a similar situation to Spawn vs Ghost Rider?

DC Comics Cosmology was upgraded some time ago

Which characters scale to the Tier 1 stuff though is still being debated and will later be updated accordingly

I'll take a Low 7-B with ice hax/sub-rel speed

This certainly wasn't intentional, but ma boi fulfill all of those requirements

 

[0ホルスファルコン将軍0]

Man, what the **** happened to overwatch? Blizzard absolutely fumbled the bag with this IP.

It would honestly be better as an animated series in line with Arcane instead of a game. Now even it’s **** is surpassed by Marvel Rivals.

 

[Chronicplane]

Snip

Do you think it's undebatable?

 

[CharlesZaGreat]

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

This is why Marvel Rivals overtook them in amount of players.

That and Emma Frost