DEATH BATTLE! Discussion Thread (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)

[SharkBook01]

On another, different more lightening note; If you haven't already Go Watch Gurren Lagann the anime it's sooooo good! genuinely one of the best anime out there.

Id be rooting for Simon against 99% of fiction, but Kyle is my guy unfortunately

 

[CharlesZaGreat]

They better not give Kyle any of Simon's lines (I don't want to hear him say "Just who the hell do you think I am?" back at Simon)

 

[Chronicplane]

Id be rooting for Simon against 99% of fiction, but Kyle is my guy unfortunately

I haven't read his comics but he seems like a chill dude, just Gurren Lagann was one of my first anime and one that got me into the medium so I have a massive soft spot for it.

 

[BlackDarkness679]

You do realize that was back in 2021 right ?
You do also know folks can change there minds as well
Ultraguy didn't even buy multiversal Archie until year's latter till
Where he stated he buys Multi+ Archie by Flash vs Sonic

Let's not act like there robots here that don't think differently

I just pointed out DB, specifically Liam didnt buy that

 

[Dravec]

Why does the Life Equation even matter when Kyle explicitly couldn’t control it and it was corrupting him?

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Why does the Life Equation even matter when Kyle explicitly couldn’t control it and it was corrupting him?

He can use it, plus the corruption only happens over time, it's not an instant thing.

 

[BlackDarkness679]

Is there a non Marvel herald character capable of beating a DC herald by DB standards?

 

[0ホルスファルコン将軍0]

Is there a non Marvel herald character capable of beating a DC herald by DB standards?

SCP-682 against Doomsday, our final hope.

 

[Stefano4444]

This would be so cool, but sadly Death Battle seems to only buy cosmic scaling for GoW. I would hope they'd give Dante cosmic scaling to even it up, but they have straight up said they don't believe it before so...

Who say that they aren't going to chance mind of and when its going to happen?

 

[Chronicplane]

Is there a non Marvel herald character capable of beating a DC herald by DB standards?

No

 

[Dravec]

He can use it, plus the corruption only happens over time, it's not an instant thing.

He literally couldn’t use it to its full extent because of his imperfections. The more he used it, the more it messed with him, and he never used it to do anything on the scale of fighting someone like Simon.

Of course, there’s a 90% chance DB will ignore this completely since they’re so heavily biased for DC.

 

[SpecterSkater]

ChiefSlayer was dope, only had a few nitpicks that don't really sour my feelings overall:

Cortana going into Slayer's suit to stop VEGA when VEGA isn't even housed in the armor. She would have had to hack out of hell which even with her crazy hack hax isn't instantaneous.

I don't buy giving Chief the Elephant flipping feat. They're only found in multi-player maps and I'm fairly certain we're not playing as Chief in those, and the argument of 'we play as a Spartan so all Spartans can do it then" doesn't really hold any water because Spartans don't have 3 second respawns. I get not wanting it to seem like Chief had no shot but using false feats isn't great either.

 

[0ホルスファルコン将軍0]

A not insignificant portion on the subreddit are actually complaining that the kill on Master Chief was too gratuitous/gory and that it bordered on disrespectful. Some are saying that killing Master Chief is OOC for Slayer because he doesn’t kill humans, and I am like—we are spoiled by most deaths as of recent years being disintegrations and now everybody is expecting Jonathan VS Tanjiro type respect.

 

[Chronicplane]

A not insignificant portion on the subreddit are actually complaining that the kill on Master Chief was too gratuitous/gory and that it bordered on disrespectful. Some are saying that killing Master Chief is OOC for Slayer because he doesn’t kill humans, and I am like—we are spoiled by most deaths as of recent years being disintegrations and now everybody is expecting Jonathan VS Tanjiro type respect.

 

[Alexander]

Regardless, it was said before, Rider according to them was almost haxless vs Spawn being varied with many powers and being unkillable by his opponent, simon vs kyle isnt that kind of MU, even if Simon can handle someone above his power, he needs potent haxes and i doubt a DC lantern is haxless, given what they did to hal jordan against ben

is like people forget how spiral power works, it is the definition of evolution and growing infinitely...and Simon has a infinite amount of infinite amount of it (like he has 3 layers of infinite on his spiral power)so the fight will either be a endless fight or a stalemate.

 

[Alexander]

Oh god let's hope so, cause this waiting periods going to be dreadful. Having to put up with years of Kyle fans being snarky over his inevitable victory is so frustrating and surely Death Battle's got to be more self aware of it by now. (though I'd like there to be a "Time huh?, thanks for the tip" reference somewhere in the episode that would be funny)

this time (haha)is not going to work, because Simon is not Ben 10 without his acausality, Simon has acausality

 

[0ホルスファルコン将軍0]

this time (haha)is not going to work, because Simon is not Ben 10 without his acausality, Simon has acausality

I mean, Ben 10 HAS acausality which is why the way he died made no sense.

 

[Alexander]

I mean, Ben 10 HAS acausality which is why the way he died made no sense.

it was a combination of two things, that Ben has acausality and the fact that Ben, also should not even got the omnitrix removed by SCISSORS

 

[Imaginym]

it was a combination of two things, that Ben has acausality and the fact that Ben, also should not even got the omnitrix removed by SCISSORS

Forgive my lack of knowledge & resulting asking this, but why is that?
Not that I deny your premise.

 

[Tipper17]

Who say that they aren't going to chance mind of and when its going to happen?

this and it boils down to what mu where it'll be factor

 

[Alexander]

Forgive my lack of knowledge & resulting asking this, but why is that?
Not that I deny your premise.

okay, the omnitrix has a failsafe that prevents it from being removed without the autorization of the user (or high level technology hacking it)it also protects ben from harm...but somehow, death battle, decided that simple Scissors could remove the Omnitrix...
IGNORING THAT THE SERIES SHOWED THAT THEY NEEDED ABOVE LEVEL 20 TECHNOLOGY TO REMOVE THE OMNITRIX

 

[Chronicplane]

To this day Ben 10 vs Hal still bothering people

 

[Tipper17]

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[Tipper17]

 

[Alexander]

To this day Ben 10 vs Hal still bothering people

it was that bad

 

[TMaakkonen]

A not insignificant portion on the subreddit are actually complaining that the kill on Master Chief was too gratuitous/gory and that it bordered on disrespectful. Some are saying that killing Master Chief is OOC for Slayer because he doesn’t kill humans, and I am like—we are spoiled by most deaths as of recent years being disintegrations and now everybody is expecting Jonathan VS Tanjiro type respect.

Tbh I kinda dont care about "muh respect" deads, but it seems it has a lot of fans. Not shocked.

 

[AbaddonTheDisappointment]

Honestly I don't think the fight would've been as hated if the end to the fight was made different cause it relied on them just completely ignoring the failsafe which was the main thing people hated

 

[TMaakkonen]

Scissors are dumb, but Hal is herald, Outerversal, blahblah 1-A or whatever. Is there actually no way for him to remove the Omnitrix despite his AP advantage?

 

[StrymULTRA]

Scissors are dumb, but Hal is herald, Outerversal, blahblah 1-A or whatever. Is there actually no way for him to remove the Omnitrix despite his AP advantage?

Using NLF argument?

 

[Alexander]

Scissors are dumb, but Hal is herald, Outerversal, blahblah 1-A or whatever. Is there actually no way for him to remove the Omnitrix despite his AP advantage?

no, there was no way of removing the omnitrix even with AP advantage, he yes or yes needed the technology to remove it, or separated ben from the omnitrix being interdimensional travel...by cutting his hand

 

[koopa3144]

Scissors are dumb, but Hal is herald, Outerversal, blahblah 1-A or whatever. Is there actually no way for him to remove the Omnitrix despite his AP advantage?

80% sure GL rings have something goofy that could get rid of the Omnitrix.

 

[Alexander]

Using NLF argument?

the NLF means no limits fallacy, aka assuming something has no limits based on the fact that the limits are not shown...the problem is that the NLF only works if the limits are not shown, not when there is literraly no limits.
the Omnitrix protected Ben from a big bang and allowed him to transform, even when that big bang was the going to create the entire universe and time...like, this is not a NLF, the scissors should have not directly worked, LIKE NEVER.

 

[Alexander]

80% sure GL rings have something goofy that could get rid of the Omnitrix.

Can they hack the Omnitrix? Can they send Ben's hand to another dimension? Can they even remove it?

 

[StrymULTRA]

the Omnitrix protected Ben from a big bang and allowed him to transform, even when that big bang was the going to create the entire universe and time...like, this is not a NLF, the scissors should have not directly worked, LIKE NEVER.

It's a NLF if we're talking about 1-A scissors tho lol.

 

[Jimmy.robinson.5099]

Can they hack the Omnitrix? Can they send Ben's hand to another dimension? Can they even remove it?

Given this is DC we're talking about, most likely yes.

 

[BlackDarkness679]

okay, the omnitrix has a failsafe that prevents it from being removed without the autorization of the user (or high level technology hacking it)it also protects ben from harm...but somehow, death battle, decided that simple Scissors could remove the Omnitrix...
IGNORING THAT THE SERIES SHOWED THAT THEY NEEDED ABOVE LEVEL 20 TECHNOLOGY TO REMOVE THE OMNITRIX

Their argument was hal being faster then the failsafe

 

[Alexander]

It's a NLF if we're talking about 1-A scissors tho lol.

man no

 

[Alexander]

Their argument was hal being faster then the failsafe

and also ignoring that the failsafe literraly protected Ben from the explosion that also caused time to flow (remind you, they were in a timeless void)

 

[Hatsumin]

In this wiki. Simon is listed as 1C and Kyle is listed as 2C so how do people see Kyle winning? Is it a similar situation to Spawn vs Ghost Rider?

 

[StrymULTRA]

man no

Man yes.

1-A is beyond any kind of numerical increase, a Big Bang is still within numbers given his cosmology is within a finite number of dimensions, thus can still be reached with enough multiplications.

It does not matter how big is Ben 10's cosmology, because the gap here it's a quality difference, and not a quantity one. A cosmology bound by dimensionality will never reach the level of a 1-A place because the latter is above any kind of increase, something a big bang is still bound to.