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I'm not sure how they'd do that, asura can reincarnate iirc, but the first games ending was pretty much perfect for him. I think a remaster is way more likely
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DEATH BATTLE! Discussion Thread (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)
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I prefer characters/matches like this in general because when you get to the higher tiers you either get characters who get wanked to high heaven or characters so powerful the matches aren't even really fun cause it's just "my infinity is bigger than your infinity".
Kind of also why I like going for low balls/low ends of characters for my own personal scaling
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I wish, but this is death battle. They’re known for their massive DC bias. DC has only ever lost to non-Marvel ONCE in the entire history of the show. I’ll still root for Simon anyways because **** capeshit.
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It was perfect for Asura, but more specifically, for that Asura. At the very end of the game, we see a reincarnated Asura and the demigods. Surely they can make something out of that, with a new overarching god. After all, it has been millions of years.
But a remaster would also be cool, with new statements, levels, and feats....
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Life Equation gives him 1-A stats and 1-A reality warping so he kind of just wills Simon out of existence or something.
But you are right that Simon could clutch up. Spawn vs Ghost Rider shows that Death Battle doesn't seem to buy the idea that if you outscale somebody infinitely, you bypass hax resistances.
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This would be so cool, but sadly Death Battle seems to only buy cosmic scaling for GoW. I would hope they'd give Dante cosmic scaling to even it up, but they have straight up said they don't believe it before so...
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I think what sucks is that we probably won't get to hear will of the drill be played during Simon Vs Kyle 
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At the very least, they'll probably reference it in some way for whatever the track for the actual ep is gonna be, like a similair title or line in the vocals (If it is vocal, but no way it isn't)I think what sucks is that we probably won't get to hear will of the drill be played during Simon Vs Kyle
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Is the life equation standard?
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No, but they're using White Lantern Kyle which is already not standard and the Life Equation was when Kyle was at the peak of his power as White Lantern so they'll probably gonna give it to him regardless.
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DB is a ******* mess in consistency. They could ignore Life Equation, they didnt give Asura manga material outside og hypotheticals despite it not mattering for winning. Who knows.
DB is a ******* mess in consistency. They could ignore Life Equation, they didnt give Asura manga material outside og hypotheticals despite it not mattering for winning. Who knows.
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The Asura manga doesn't really change anything. The Life Equation is make or break. Either Kyle gets it and wins, or he doesn't and debatably loses.
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DB not being consistent with its own standards!? How shocking.
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Quite fast took less then 24 hours to reach it
Is there any weakness or something to the ALE?
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It's integral to Kyle, but apparently he never fully mastered or had full control over it and had to distribute it to keep stable.
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None that are really exploitable in a vs battle.
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Yeah this.
It's moreso the LE corrupting him, to the point he starting acting more like a ruthless deity, rather than an actual weakness like Kryptonite. He split it because he feared what the LE was gonna do to him.
In fact there's even a what if story for what if Kyle had kept the LE.
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Unless DB is going to ignore pretty much the entire run, there's no reason for WL Kyle to not have the Life Equation. To point out what I mean. Kyle Rayner unlocked the White Lantern ring in issue 16 of the New Guardians run. Which only has 40 or so issues. He gets the Life Equation around issue 22. This obviously doesn't include the crossovers and tie-ins before reaching that point, of course. Like Wrath of the First Lantern or Lights Out, which ends with him gaining the Life Equation. But the fact that Kyle had the Life Equation for nearly as long as he's been a White Lantern makes it hard to separate them without ignoring every feat you could have for him.
Could they do just that? Possibly. They do have his post N52 stuff to work with. However, because it's DC, Kyle either does little to nothing with the WL ring or loses it in those runs. Just look at him in Omega Men, Hal Jorden and The Green Lantern Corps and the recent Green Lantern 2023 run. Which pretty much leaves majority of his showings from his N52 works.
Could they do just that? Possibly. They do have his post N52 stuff to work with. However, because it's DC, Kyle either does little to nothing with the WL ring or loses it in those runs. Just look at him in Omega Men, Hal Jorden and The Green Lantern Corps and the recent Green Lantern 2023 run. Which pretty much leaves majority of his showings from his N52 works.
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TLE doesn't seem standard to me, and in regards to Kyle GL comics I'm an outsider looking in and hearing from Kyle readers. It's totally possible they could give Kyle White Lantern especially since from what I've been told he retained the powers later on. Whilst TLE in a fractured state which is essentially unusuable. And wouldn't Simon's ability to overpower cause and effect and FATE be a strong counter?
What do you guys make of this?
What do you guys make of this?
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The problem with arguing the Life Equation isn't standard is that we're already using a non-standard version of the character. There's no real reason to use White Lantern and then suddenly apply the standard arsenal rules to something that is extremely important to Kyle's arc as the White Lantern. It would be like using Batman with prep time and not giving him the Hellbat because it's not standard. It makes no sense
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Is it possible to seperate both White Lantern and the life equation?, from what I can tell in it's current state it's explicitly made clear that the life equation can't be used anymore and that moment was a huge part of Kyle's character. White Lantern to my knowledge still grants powers of the emotional spectrum/lantern corpe's powers. I was also told Kyle can access White Lantern powers so maybe that's why. I'm still betting Simon. Also I need to remind the readers here that Spawn won against Ghost Rider, stop treating this episode like it's Goku vs Superman (Simon would beat Goku btw)
#FuckDCHeralds
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Thing is the gap in power from Ghost Rider and Spawn logically should have made Spawn be toast, even if he can resist his haxes, you cant tell, for example, a building level character resists a multiversal level character hax, just cuz former resisted that from others of his level or a little above, not to mention the ressurection thing wasnt directly said how long it took, they said if these things takes long its a win, like how hulk lost to broly for that
Regardless, it was said before, Rider according to them was almost haxless vs Spawn being varied with many powers and being unkillable by his opponent, simon vs kyle isnt that kind of MU, even if Simon can handle someone above his power, he needs potent haxes and i doubt a DC lantern is haxless, given what they did to hal jordan against ben
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Kinda depends on if they would justify Monado III for a Shulk episode. This is the vibe I'm getting from this sentence.
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How I took from GR vs Spawn. Johnny's entire hax stiqck is everything to do with soul manipulation, BFR shenanigans and burning the spirit which weren't working against Spawn as that's everything he's dealt with before and had the based resistances, with Spawn's low-godly regen Johnny (through there perspective) didn't have the means of permanently putting him down, and they bought that AP =/= Hax resistances (doubly down by saying Spawn would lose to Scarlet Witch and Strange). Just from that reddit alone Simon's has a lot of deadly tricks and basically low-godly regen, his fights against Anti-Spiral indicate majority of Kyle's ability likely won't work on him and Simon has his own cosmic awareness through his consciousness being across infinite timelines so he'd likely be able to detect something nasty coming his way and play around it, and from what I know Kyle doesn't have any resistances to being time-bombed.
I'm not saying who absolutely wins but Simon's got genuine shot. (
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Holy shit this is actually so true!
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Kyle had it for like 90% of his run as the White Lantern. It would honestly feel a bit disingenuous to me to leave it out.
I also don't think that "he doesn't have it anymore" is a very good argument.
Master Chief doesn't have Cortana anymore
Spawn doesn't have Divine Form anymore
Ghost Rider doesn't have his King of Hell powers anymore
Joker doesn't canonically have Satanael anymore
Bardock being able to go Super Sayian isn't canon to either version of him
It would be pretty stupid after all this that Death Battle was suddenly like "Welp, Kyle lost the Life Equation."
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Funny enough Yates finds the track overatedI think what sucks is that we probably won't get to hear will of the drill be played during Simon Vs Kyle
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They didn't give Thor Odin Force even though he should've had it, I don't think it'd be stupid for Death Battle not to give it to him. Sure they'd have to spend a segment or 2 to explain to the casual audience (honestly probably an easier feat) for why he shouldn't.
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Death Battles gives Kyle Life-Equation: **** Simon's dead as hell.
Death Battle doesn't give Kyle Life-Equation: They didn't even need to give him LE, oh **** Simon's dead as hell.
Death Battle doesn't give Kyle Life-Equation: They didn't even need to give him LE, oh **** Simon's dead as hell.
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Spawn had to give up Divine Form, Ghost Rider had to give up King of Hell, and ect.
Because he didn't need it to win. They could've given Doomslayer lore scaling, but didn't.
I legit think this is the main reason they wouldn't include it.
Liam himself said that the matchup is close when you don't include the Life Equation, and a clear Kyle win when you do include it. (This was said during a DBcast argument though, so take it with a grain of salt.
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They didn't give it to him simply because he doesn't need the high ends. like a lot of other stomp cases. Base Thor is more than enough.
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To be fair they also displayed arguments for Spawn later retaining the power to justify him having it, and they did use Johnny resisting Zarathos's influence as an argument against him in the fight. Kyle doesn't have anything like that, think they'll give him all the standard white lantern powers and the emotional spectrum but not the life equation, casual audiences won't even care that much and buy whatever DB says, it's not that hard or inconceivable.
Feels like a copeout answer to be honest, but I'll let it slide cause they wanted to throw the "Vegeta measured up pretty closely to thor's strength" bone and wanted to make it feel more debatable so I'll concede this point.
I legit think this is the main reason they wouldn't include it.
Liam himself said that the matchup is close when you don't include the Life Equation, and a clear Kyle win when you do include it. (This was said during a DBcast argument though, so take it with a grain of salt.
Oh god let's hope so, cause this waiting periods going to be dreadful. Having to put up with years of Kyle fans being snarky over his inevitable victory is so frustrating and surely Death Battle's got to be more self aware of it by now. (though I'd like there to be a "Time huh?, thanks for the tip" reference somewhere in the episode that would be funny)
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They're using a non-standard version of him already. That alone is more justification than 90% of Death Battle characters get and they still have non-standard stuff.
This is the only argument I agree with for not giving him it. If they want to make the fight closer then yeah don't include it, but if they're being consistent with their own rules, then Kyle should 100% get the Life Equation.
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On another, different more lightening note; If you haven't already Go Watch Gurren Lagann the anime it's sooooo good! genuinely one of the best anime out there.
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They actually do buy Universal DMC fyiThis would be so cool, but sadly Death Battle seems to only buy cosmic scaling for GoW. I would hope they'd give Dante cosmic scaling to even it up, but they have straight up said they don't believe it before so...
After the POC debacle they blog with Vergil and they put him at uni so depending on the mu uni DMC would be there
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Thats G1 blog, Liam said on reddit he didnt buy it and praised G1 for the downplay on Nero vs Hellboy
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You do realize that was back in 2021 right ?
You do also know folks can change there minds as well
Ultraguy didn't even buy multiversal Archie until year's latter till
Where he stated he buys Multi+ Archie by Flash vs Sonic
Let's not act like there robots here that don't think differently
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