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DEATH BATTLE! Discussion Thread (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)

TMaakkonen said:
Ok Yugioh scholars, is Yugi a fraud? How many of his monsters are at uni or beyond? Is the fact that seemingly his uni stuff are anime only(tho nowadays this isnt an issue ig...) a big deal?
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DB are gonna composite Yugi regardless (anime as the primary material and manga secondary, pretty much confirmed).

Long story short Yugi scales to all the other main protags (up to Arc-V at least) thanks to constantly being shown and advertised to always be relative to them, even implied (vaguely) to be the still strongest protag.

*Jayden (GX) has a spell card that can fuse 11 dimensions together which is either 2-C or High 1-C (since in the sub they're explicitly stated to work on string theory) plus defeated the concept of darkness/nothingness.

*Yusei (5Ds) alongside Jayden and Yugi stopped a villian that was gonna altered the timeline and Yusei can time travel as well as alter the future with the Crimson Dragon while having some time paradox immunity.

*Yuma (Zexal) was able to warp reality to make his ideal world with the Numeron Code and stop three universes from merging together also a number monster that is literally bigger than the Sun is considered a "mid tier" monster at best.

*Yuya (Arc-V) threaten four universes as the Supreme King and scales to a character that split the original universe into 4 universes plus it's implied Yuya can affect the 5th dimension also he defeated multiple rival characters that are relative to past protags.

As for monsters (most noteworthy):
*The Egyptian gods (+fusion)
*Exodia
*Dark Magician (+advanced variants)
*Dark Magician Girl

Are the monsters with the most blatant tier 2+ scaling due to statements and lore throughout the series, such as Dark Magician being repeatedly stated to be a rival to Blue Eyes White Dragon whose power rivals the gods but is still inferior to them and ofc Exodia and the gods upscale from BEWD also Dark Magician and Dark Magician Girl where heavily involved in the battle against Paradox (the villain who tried to alter the timeline).

There's also the matter of the card lore from the novels, short stories, Master Duel, etc. If they get included then Yugi will get a substantial hax boost but it's heavily debatable if it should be a factor since not only is card lore not canon (mostly) to the mainline YGO anime and manga but it usually takes place in settings where dueling doesn't exist but that's the up to the DB research team to figure out.

I won't go into too much detail about hax since equalizing a TCG with a monster capturing/tamer game is already a major crapshoot but Yugi does have readily access to mind, soul and magic hax plus supernatural luck and possibly fate shenanigans.

Tl:dr:
Low-end Yugi is 2-C (2 universes at least) with moderate hax.

Mid-end Yugi is 2-C (11 universes at least) with moderate hax.

High-end Yugi is L1-C (5D via ARC-V and the space between universes) with major hax.

Wank Composite YGO Yugi is H1-C+ (via string theory, bulk spaces, card lore, etc) with hax lord status.

And don't get me started on speed, that's another massive headache (varies from superhuman upto immeasurable for both monsters and duelist all over the YGO scaling community).

Hope this "helps" somewhat.
 
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The_Axiom_of_Virgo said:
DB are gonna composite Yugi regardless (anime as the primary material and manga secondary, pretty much confirmed).

Long story short Yugi scales to all the other main protags (up to Arc-V at least) thanks to constantly being shown and advertised to always be relative to them, even implied (vaguely) to be the still strongest protag.

*Jayden (GX) has a spell card that can fuse 11 dimensions together which is either 2-C or High 1-C (since in the sub they're explicitly stated to work on string theory) plus defeated the concept of darkness/nothingness.

*Yusei (5Ds) alongside Jayden and Yugi stopped a villian that was gonna altered the timeline and Yusei can time travel as well as alter the future with the Crimson Dragon while having some time paradox immunity.

*Yuma (Zexal) was able to warp reality to make his ideal world with the Numeron Code and stop three universes from merging together also a number monster that is literally bigger than the Sun is considered a "mid tier" monster at best.

*Yuya (Arc-V) threaten four universes as the Supreme King and scales to a character that split the original universe into 4 universes plus it's implied Yuya can affect the 5th dimension also he defeated multiple rival characters that are relative to past protags.

As for monsters (most noteworthy):
*The Egyptian gods (+fusion)
*Exodia
*Dark Magician (+advanced variants)
*Dark Magician Girl

Are the monsters with the most blatant tier 2+ scaling due to statements and lore throughout the series, such as Dark Magician being repeatedly stated to be a rival to Blue Eyes White Dragon whose power rivals the gods but is still inferior to them and ofc Exodia and the gods upscale from BEWD also Dark Magician and Dark Magician Girl where heavily involved in the battle against Paradox (the villain who tried to alter the timeline).

There's also the matter of the card lore from the novels, short stories, Master Duel, etc. If they get included then Yugi will get a substantial hax boost but it's heavily debatable if it should be a factor since not only is card lore not canon (mostly) to the mainline YGO anime and manga but it usually takes place in settings where dueling doesn't exist but that's the up to the DB research team to figure out.

I won't go into too much detail about hax since equalizing a TCG with a monster capturing/tamer game is already a major crapshoot but Yugi does have readily access to mind, soul and magic hax plus supernatural luck and possibly fate shenanigans.

Tl:dr:
Low-end Yugi is 2-C (2 universes at least) with moderate hax.

Mid-end Yugi is 2-C (11 universes at least) with moderate hax.

High-end Yugi is L1-C (5D via ARC-V and the space between universes) with major hax.

Wank Composite YGO Yugi is H1-C+ (via string theory, bulk spaces, card lore, etc) with hax lord status.

And don't get me started on speed, that's another massive headache (varies from superhuman upto immeasurable for both monsters and duelist all over the YGO scaling community).

Hope this "helps" somewhat.
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Yes.

Looking at DB Reddit, it feels like Ash has a lot of support. Which is wild since decade+ ago Ash was still a punching bag in internet talk.
 
Master Chief's Biggest Win-Con. Huge Some might.
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Joycap said:
Welp, I'm sure as hell bored today. Was supposed to be on an IT course, only for it to be pushed back a month because the supposed admins and tutors are goddamn monkeys.

So how about another update to the Xeno JRPG MU charts?
(even though I hated XCXDE)

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The majority of this update is just tidying up a few characters slots with their best singular MU, most notably the suggestions/charts of Elly, Fiora, Irina, Sena, Riku and Ethel. Elly donating Blaze to Nia is probably one of the more interesting ones I'd like to note, as I find myself reminded of this art from Sunmellows posted somewhere in these discussion forums a while back:

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Which... now that I think about it, that's the 2nd Nia of Agnus MU containing a character voiced by Erika Lindbeck... huh...

As for characters that didn't have their acquisitions reduced to a singular MU:
  • I've bought up KOS-MOS vs Megaman.exe a few times (what with the whole 'dead baby brother' / Maiden of Mary comparison and all). Not much else to say here.
  • Elma on a replay of XCX reminded me of some of the alternate suggestions for her MUs alongside Shez (yes, he still works, but the likely revisions are going to end in a statstomp unless we give Shez Heroes or Zahras scaling). Elma and Mitsuru both have the whole 'I was aware of the antics of the biggest institution I was working for, and wasn't comfortable telling anyone' thing going on, and probably has more applicable scaling. If you're wondering why Lightning is there - I do have a copy of FF13-1 on my person, and from what I know (?) of her, she has more in common with Elma than Shulk (needless to say, I'm still against Shulk vs Lightning - this does not mean I'm against Lightning having other MUs).
  • Added Lysandre (Pokemon XY) to Lao's MUs. I still stand by Dagran having better relations, but because of those revisions, the power dynamic has shifted entirely in Lao's favour. Lysandre also happens to have Lao's 'I'd kill the world to preserve what little beauty is possesses' relation going on, and the Anime version of Lysandre even technically takes to the traitor angle despite how obvious a face-turn would be.
  • Akhos vs Jin Shirato... now you might be thinking 'hang on, wouldn't this MU be redundant knowing you're gunning for Malos vs Takaya Sakaki?'... and you'd be correct, this slot is mostly being reformed for posterity, or as a suggestion that Akhos/Shirato could be intergrated into the animation potential of Malos/Takaya. As an aside, I feel similarly about the reforms to Irina's MUs, a 2v2 of Irina/Gwin vs Ingrid/Sylvain is not off the table, as both have the whole 'I lost my ex/close family member to a major war, and my dorkish 3rd wheel is the only one left with eyes for me' relation on deck. Same with Mumkhar's MUs, it's better for him to be part of Egil's army (Egil vs Carol my beloved) than stretch what little he has into a full episode.
  • Sena has a few 'very good' MUs (Meru still mostly sticks), but I feel like I'm on the cusp of finding 'that one MU' that sods law is that obvious. Stay tuned for that, I guess.
Now, a couple of other things:
  • Al - I've put down C. Falcon as an MU for him more as a placeholder. From what I know, both have the whole 'hero you haven't seen in a while, and their main McGuffin is possessed by a god tier they babysit' relationship to go off of, and I think Skells and the Blue Falcon (or the F-Zero cars in general) have some great animation potential. Even if Al's best MU doesn't end up being Falcon after all, I get the sneaking suspicion the F-Zero series is something I want to look into (modded Wii my even more beloved).
  • Luxxar vs King Garon is a MU that has grown on me after playing through DE, especially if you double the animation potential when considering what Void and Anankos entail (Void not understanding death, and Anankos's tantrums about abandonment sort of have that 'similar contrast' energy to them), and how both Garon and Luxxar are both tied to their bidding in their own way. Yeah, this one is also a bit of a statstomp in Luxxar's favour, but when's that ever stopped me?
Until next time...
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Joycap said:
On that note, I've given the canon Captain Falcon a look over, and... yeah, this is a perfect XCX Al MU. Might make a pitch about it, actually.
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So... this has aged well
And yes, the F-Zero binge gave me PLENTY to work with:

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SINCE LAST TIME:
  • Bartholomew Fatima has had Renji Abarai (Bleach) and Samurai Goroh (F-Zero) added to his list of potential MUs - the former of which is largely just 'first rivals with whips' (although the Animation potential is still there, as well as Margie and Rukia being considered thematic parallels of a sort), and the latter is a lot of 'space pirates with mechs' (to grossly oversimplify both). Bart seems to be having something of a Sena problem in that he has a lot of MUs that are very good in one or two aspects, but aren't as balanced as they could be. Yukine clears his MUs for now, but it is worth considering. You could make an argument for Jack Levin and give Goro to Rico if you wanted, but tbh Bart's MUs are kinda cluttered as is.
  • Billy Lee Black's MU spreads have been cleaned to just be Zenkichi Hasegawa, and while his other MUs suggested could have been good once upon a time - they too have better these days.
  • Fun fact about Rico's MUs: Kenpachi (Bleach) was initially under Bart's MUs before I remembered that Renji exists, and even then you could make an argument for him to be under either (as an aside, Bart, Rico and... Ga Jairg, if you can believe it, appear to be competing for very similar MUs, which is why he got a re-shuffling in his MUs too). A lot of Rico vs Kanpachi appears to be 'strength-driven Frenemies of the main character, that were put in that scenario because of the social standing they climbed'.
  • Dunban's MUs have also been amended to the MUs found in this chart here. Heismay (M:RF), because of the whole 'self-taught former hero before they injury and death of a family member' (in Dunban's case, it was assumed to be Fiora before the mid-end of the main Mechon Arc and awakening of Monado II, and Heismay the death of his Son). Dunban is also my choice for an All Might runback in no small part because of the trope of the injury, and the moniker of a hero who saved a town and passed on their legacy without dying (you could draw a parallel between Nana Shimura and Fiora's assumed death as well if you wanted). Baiken is the absolute shoe-in for Dunban's MUs at this point, and with both Xeno and Guilty Gear scaling starting to stabilize these days, I don't have nearly the same kneejerk 'oh god no' reaction to the idea that I used to. Shanks (One Piece) is largely there on a suggestion (a very good one, might I add) from a while back. Bercouli (SAO: Alicization) holds up a lot better than I was expecting for reasons found here... I could go on, but I think we get the point by now.
  • Zanza, in a sort of contravention of the suggestion of @Spinoirr - has Yhwach (Bleach) added to his MUs... largely because of the commission track by Yates:

  • Ethel has Gauche Suede (Tegamibachi) added to her MU list, and it's one I haven't mentioned yet for some reason (the long and short of relations being 'inspiring mains into one profession (Noah into fighting, and Lag Seeing into letters) before becoming a 'reformed' enemy). BTW: Tegamibachi is slept on, and I recommend it highly.
And... that's basically it as far as amendments to the chart (bar one that I've deliberately left off, you'll see why in a bit). So 1) here's a thumbnail I whipped together for Luxaar vs Garon (no explanation needed, that was largely discussed last time):

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And 2) let's discuss those Xeno/F-Zero MUs more now! (...F-Xeno? Eh, whatever):

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Andy Summer / Captain Falcon (F-Zero) vs Alois Bernholt / The Black Knight (Xenoblade Chronicles X: Definitive Edition)
(Continued)

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  • Both are considered the 'secret heroes' in their respective verses, being the individuals that allowed their societies to flourish despite their presence and absence (Alois single-handedly thinning out large portions of the Ghosts prior to the White Whale's crash-landing on Mira, leaving him MIA, and Falcon technically being Judy Summers "dead" Brother (thus the name) in a police operation, but living as a bounty hunter, helping the Mobile Task Force in 2202 by more clandestine means, whilst having an alias as 'Master Bart' at a local pub).
  • Both are also 'the real thing' in the context of everyone else around them (Al being in his real body when it came time for the new content in DE, despite most everyone else inhabiting a 'mim' (a false body because of the circumstances of project exodus), and Andy Summer heavily implied to have never entered 'cold sleep' despite everyone else in the jump of 150 years, and Judy Summer being part-cyborg (similar to Elma being the only mim to be controlled remotely, as per the rhetoric of Project Exodus).
  • Both also bestow upon a 'next in line' their most prized vehicle that helped them save the universe (in Al's case, he allows Cross to pilot Ares Prime during the fight with Void after discussions about what the 'heart' means (Basically, the Ares needs a specialized pilot with a 'real' body, which Cross comes to inhabit), and Andy bestowing upon Ryu Suzaku the title of Captain Falcon AND the Blue Falcon after the final Falcon Punch vs Black Shadow in that scene (you know the one...). And needless to say, Ares is a mech/vehicle in a similar way to what the Blue Falcon is.
  • With that, both 'final fights' for them revolve around preventing the activation of six cores (in Al's case, it was retrieving the Ares Cores from Void before he attempted to make a break for another universe to bust, and with C. Falcon, it was preventing the Dark Matter Reactor from absorbing all of the Reactor Mights from activating and imploding the Universe to create another Big Bang).
  • Overdrive vs Boost Fire - TELL ME YOU COULDN'T PICTURE IT.
You might notice that, despite me not ruling out a runback of canonical composite Falcon (can you believe that episode is over 5 years old?), a lot of relations here pull from the F-Zero anime. And for that reason, I'd also like to praise the show for turning around and pulling this sick back-end trick by going 'so, you remember that 'Zoda' guy? The one DBa would off-handedly mention 15 years later? That's your Mumkhar/Metal Face MU':

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Mumkhar / Metal Face (XC1) VS Zoda (F-Zero)​

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  • Both are honourless villains that caused the death of main's love interests early into their stories, be that directly or indirectly (Mumkhar, controlling a remote Metal Face, causing Fiora's death in Colony 9, and Zoda causing Ryu to be put into cold sleep, causing his GF-turned-fiancé Haruka to go rogue and make an attempt on Zoda's life in revenge, causing her the same fate. Both women (Haruka and Fiora) would then be stationed under respective antagonist factions (Dark Million and the Mechon) for a lengthy sabbatical, under Face Nemesis and Miss Killer respectively, and are eventually re-united under 'the good side(tm)').
  • For this reason, both are the driving force for revenge for our main males, with Ryu winning several F-Zero races in order to make sure Zoda (and other members of Dark Million) aren't able to fund their operations, and Shulk spending the events of XC1 up to the first Prison Island visit believing in the death of all Mechon because of Mumkhar's actions.
  • Both can be considered genetically modified entities as well (what with Mumkhar being a face unit in order to pilot faced Mechon, and Zoda being created by Black Shadow and sent by him back 150 years (?) in order to kill Ryu and Falcon).
  • Both are also marked as targets for those considered heroes before our mains got involved - what with Mumkhar wanting to quote 'be the new hero' after attempts to take the Monado for the Mechon, only to be stopped by Dunban (a former ally Mumkhar reluctantly was), and Zoda being the one who shot that rocket at Falcon, leading to his assumed death by Judy.
  • An interesting contrast that this MU has is that of where their arcs end up. Zoda ends up living (although he was trapped inside the Dark Matter Reactor at one point during the end of the series) after several attempts to usurp Black Shadow, which is a consequence Egil happened to avoid in excess after Mumkhar's death when he says '[Memories] are what limited the potential of Metal Face' (en quote, although this might not entirely have been his intent when he said this).
It's worth noting that despite my hesitation to give Mumkhar / Metal Face his own MU spread (as it'd be easier to integrate him into Egil's MUs as an army fight), it's not hard to imagine a version of Egil's MUs that happen after MF's defeat at Galahad Fortress (peak a gander at my Dmitri article regarding which interpretation of his character DBa picked, and how I felt about that). And it's not like Starscream or Tyrian would be outright missing from HMs - but the next time anyone asks me about bespoke Mumkhar / Metal Face MUs, this will likely be my pick.

Anyway, I'm overdue for some sleep. Until next time.

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Ya'll thoughts on MCU Spider-Man vs Bayverse Bumblebee?

It's not comics Spidey, but as far Spider-Man MUs go, this is one of the better ones. Both have some fairly good connections in terms of these two specific incarnations, and as far as banter goes, I think there would be something fun between the two. Stats wise, both can be argued around similar ranges, and both have a decent amount of abilities that would allow for some really good animation potential.

So connections wise:

  • Both are Arthropoda related in terms of name and design.
  • Both are shown to be a "younger figure" to the older more experienced hero (Iron Man and Optimus Prime)
  • Both fairly similar in personalities. Both are the younger, less experienced members of their groups, being sort of the "little brother figure" to their other teammates, as well as generally being more down to Earth compared to the other characters. Peter being THE street hero of the MCU while Bee is the most sociable with humans among the Autobots.
  • Both have tragic origins that lead to who they are today (MCU Spidey is implied to have experienced Uncle Ben's death, while Bee lost his home planet to the Decepticon and his voice to Megatron)
  • Both would take on bigger roles after their heroes disappearance and would slowly mature as time goes on (Peter slowly grows into being a more independent hero, while Bee would eventually take the role of leader while Optimus is absent)
  • Both would have their crash out moments when one of their closest loved one are hurt (Peter becomes vengeful after Aunt May's death, almost killing Norman. If you take the reboot movies as canon, then Bee nearly kills the army after seeing Charlie getting hurt)
  • To add on, both have some form of rage mode (Spidey with Iron Spider's instant kill mode and Bee with his weird rage mode in his solo movie)
  • Both are shown to be very fierce whenever their friends are being threatened, willing to go to more extreme measure just to protect their loved ones.
  • Both are prominent characters of their respective film franchises with solo films of their own (Especially with the case of Bee, him being the only Transformers characters with a solo movie.

Stats wise, both are pretty similar honestly. They've gone plenty of scaling to Tier 8 feats, and potentially Tier 7 if you buy those higher interpretations. And speed wise both have several feats that would rank them within Hypersonic to Massively Hypersonic.

And ability wise, neither are too crazy, with Bee boasting some stuff like energy aoe attacks and missiles and his own dismemberment, and Bee being like 5 meters means the size gap wouldn't be too awkward.

It also helps they're both very popular so views wise, this would do quite good me thinks.

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BlackDarkness679 said:
Hope you realize this is from an era death battle used about any source for characters canon or not, you seriously try to support your point with an old fight.....modern Death Battle changed buddy, comprehend it
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In fact, it is a good precedent, but if you can show proof that DB doesn't composite the characters anymore, then ok, because even in the Hulk vs Godzilla DEATH BATTLE Cast episode, Ben Singer was using movie, comic, and anime versions of Godzilla in the same debate.

However, DB not using a Composite Godzilla is very convenient for Hulk. No version of Hulk can kill a FULL/100% Composite Godzilla in any way.
 
Apex_Predator_GX said:
In fact, it is a good precedent, but if you can show proof that DB doesn't composite the characters anymore, then ok, because even in the Hulk vs Godzilla DEATH BATTLE Cast episode, Ben Singer was using movie, comic, and anime versions of Godzilla in the same debate.

However, DB not using a Composite Godzilla is very convenient for Hulk. No version of Hulk can kill a FULL/100% Composite Godzilla in any way.
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Godzilla without Marvel scaling gets most of his powers just from Singular Point alone. There's that space godzilla novel that adds supplemental hax, but beyond that he peaks at solar system level. I would love Goji to get Marvel scaling as this is composite Godzilla, but realistically without it he's less impressive.
 
Apex_Predator_GX said:
In fact, it is a good precedent, but if you can show proof that DB doesn't composite the characters anymore, then ok, because even in the Hulk vs Godzilla DEATH BATTLE Cast episode, Ben Singer was using movie, comic, and anime versions of Godzilla in the same debate.

However, DB not using a Composite Godzilla is very convenient for Hulk. No version of Hulk can kill a FULL/100% Composite Godzilla in any way.
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You act like they will use marvel and dc crossovers for godzilla, mecha godzilla had none as far as im aware vs the zord

marvel and dc themselves despite having canon crossovers confirmed by both never had death battle use them, like how supes or thor were comparable or anything of the like

How about you show any modern episode use crossovers to composite against one of the characters apart of those and last i checked an obscure novel is what made godzilla be an issue vs hulk in the debate, other then that you just ridiculously overrate the radioactive lizard
 
MagdalenusTenebrosus said:
Godzilla without Marvel scaling gets most of his powers just from Singular Point alone. There's that space godzilla novel that adds supplemental hax, but beyond that he peaks at solar system level. I would love Goji to get Marvel scaling as this is composite Godzilla, but realistically without it he's less impressive.
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Hoho… You're kind of ignoring a lot of material, from what I can see. I don't blame you; Godzilla has hundreds of incarnations, so it's kind of obvious you don't know them all, especially because you've barely been on the wiki for, like, two weeks, but to say that his peak is solar system level is a huge downplay.
 


Ugh... at least there are some places where Blaze isn't forgotten but I still dislike the MU for reasons I won't be repeating for the umpteenth time, here's hoping for great animation at least. I don't really care too much for research I just want Blaze's character to be respected (unlike how Sega and certain fans "treat" her).
 
BlackDarkness679 said:
You act like they will use marvel and dc crossovers for godzilla, mecha godzilla had none as far as im aware vs the zord
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They mixed multiple continuities for Kiryu and Dragonzord both since they used the comics and shows which are different, especially in Kiryu's case.
BlackDarkness679 said:
marvel and dc themselves despite having canon crossovers confirmed by both never had death battle use them, like how supes or thor were comparable or anything of the like
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They straight up used scans from the Marvel and DC crossovers for Thanos vs Darkseid.
BlackDarkness679 said:
How about you show any modern episode use crossovers to composite against one of the characters apart of those and last i checked an obscure novel is what made godzilla be an issue vs hulk in the debate, other then that you just ridiculously overrate the radioactive lizard
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They did it for Akuma and Ryu against Shao Khan and Jin.
 
The_Axiom_of_Virgo said:


Ugh... at least there are some places where Blaze isn't forgotten but I still dislike the MU for reasons I won't be repeating for the umpteenth time, here's hoping for great animation at least. I don't really care too much for research I just want Blaze's character to be respected (unlike how Sega and certain fans "treat" her).
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The matchups connections are indeed uhhh, uhhh, vaguely heat princess? Vaguely other world? I got nothin'... Starfire is the Amy anyway while Blaze is the Raven.
 
Apex_Predator_GX said:
Hoho… You're kind of ignoring a lot of material, from what I can see. I don't blame you; Godzilla has hundreds of incarnations, so it's kind of obvious you don't know them all, especially because you've barely been on the wiki for, like, two weeks, but to say that his peak is solar system level is a huge downplay.
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I mean outside Ultima and crossovers don't see how Godzilla gets above solar system without being utterly generous on some feats
ShrekAnakin said:
The matchups connections are indeed uhhh, uhhh, vaguely heat princess? Vaguely other world? I got nothin'... Starfire is the Amy anyway while Blaze is the Raven.
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Meh who cares as long the fights cool
 
XSOULOFCINDERX said:
They straight up used scans from the Marvel and DC crossovers for Thanos vs Darkseid.
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They only used the scan of darkseid trying to use the IG outside marvel or at least mentioned of it to claim its useless outside marvel universe and that was in 2018 season 5 of death battle, not modern death battle
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They did it for Akuma and Ryu against Shao Khan and Jin.
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Not modern death battle and i said a match up where a character gets scaling from his opponent series for composite, which none of these examples fit
 
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