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[Phoenks]

Had a realization that the statement about "this is outside the causality of the universe" could refer to the entirety of the MWI OPM seems to have.

Directly before this it states that new worlds burst forth like foam with every possibility. Possibility is potentially synonymous with causality here, since cause and effect is what leads to these new possibilities in the first place.

More supporting evidence for 5-D if "causality" is in fact the entirety of the 2-A structure.

 

[AmongUsAboveUsBelow]

Had a realization that the statement about "this is outside the causality of the universe" could refer to the entirety of the MWI OPM seems to have.

Directly before this it states that new worlds burst forth like foam with every possibility. Possibility is potentially synonymous with causality here, since cause and effect is what leads to these new possibilities in the first place.

More supporting evidence for 5-D if "causality" is in fact the entirety of the 2-A structure.

Tbh, I nudged you towards that comment specifically because it brings up MWI since I didn't see it mentioned very often. Agree with everything else you wrote in your previous comment btw. Both sides were stretching it and I couldn't really take it seriously.

 

[Adam1396]

Manga itself clearly debunks the distance ignoring part. It's from the context that he can attack any part of the world from outside universe. But it clearly travels takes time after entering universe.

FF dodging it on first try also indicates that.

Saitama is not interacting with higher dimensional slash. He still interacted with 3d slash. Higher dimensional part is that the attack comes from higher dimension. It would just be resistance to spatial manipulation. That still good feat.
Well I'm more curious if the slash is extension of blade or projectile

 

[Wardokman69]

Manga itself clearly debunks the distance ignoring part. It's from the context that he can attack any part of the world from outside universe. But it clearly travels takes time after entering universe.

FF dodging it on first try also indicates that.

Saitama is not interacting with higher dimensional slash. He still interacted with 3d slash. Higher dimensional part is that the attack comes from higher dimension. It would just be resistance to spatial manipulation. That still good feat.
Well I'm more curious if the slash is extension of blade or projectile

Massive headcanon

 

[Adam1396]

Massive headcanon

It's literally shown in the manga

 

[Redcated]

Manga itself clearly debunks the distance ignoring part. It's from the context that he can attack any part of the world from outside universe. But it clearly travels takes time after entering universe.

FF dodging it on first try also indicates that.

Saitama is not interacting with higher dimensional slash. He still interacted with 3d slash. Higher dimensional part is that the attack comes from higher dimension. It would just be resistance to spatial manipulation. That still good feat.
Well I'm more curious if the slash is extension of blade or projectile

I was gonna refute this then i see the word "dodge" and "ff" in the same sentence, that tells me you don't read the manga or even if you read it you just skimming through it

 

[AmongUsAboveUsBelow]

FF didn't dodge anything. If Void's intention was to kill off FF he wouldn't have come down from the higher dimension shortly after to shove the god cube in his face again.

"But, he reacted to it!" Even that's debatable as demonstrated by the doubt of certain participants.

 

[ReusedOil]

edit: I THINK I FIGURED IT OUT LET ME COOK

Wait, we might be looking at it the wrong way here. Instead of focusing on where the swords appeared or how fast it travells, lets instead consider what the sword's properties actually are. If we assume that the hyperverse dimension is outside the universe's causalty, and those swords carry over that ability instead of losing it once entering realspace... this means that any and all things that affect causalty, the swords simply ignore.

Time for example, affect causalty/a part of it. To say that time passed for the sword to travel, is to say that the causalty of the universe affected the swords.

Like yes we see the swords "moving", but we shouldn't think that for the sword, time is passing. Universe time doesn't apply to hyperspace. The swords are moving under their own "time". Like the swords could be moving at a snail's pace but from anyone elses perspective; real space; the swords move instantly.

bumping this everytime the speed of the slash is discussed

 

[Redcated]

Wallahi it's cooked

I watch this and my question is who do he think he is to decide how to portray a higher dimension?

 

[Adam1396]

FF didn't dodge anything. If Void's intention was to kill off FF he wouldn't have come down from the higher dimension shortly after to shove the god cube in his face again.

"But, he reacted to it!" Even that's debatable as demonstrated by the doubt of certain participants.

I was gonna refute this then i see the word "dodge" and "ff" in the same sentence, that tells me you don't read the manga or even if you read it you just skimming through it

Lol chill guys.
Void literally mentioned his intention was to kill one of them. FF sensed the attacked, warned sonic then both dodged. In that brief moment blast hid sonic so that void would think him dead and approach ff with cube which was his intention. He always had the intention of killing one and taking the other one.
Pay attention before coming into assumption about others.

 

[AmongUsAboveUsBelow]

Lol chill guys.
Void literally mentioned his intention was to kill one of them. FF sensed the attacked, warned sonic then both dodged. In that brief moment blast hid sonic so that void would think him dead and approach ff with cube which was his intention. He always had the intention of killing one and taking the other one.
Pay attention before coming into assumption about others.

So Sonic is able to dodge DS, yes? We might have a different understanding of what "dodge" means here. Why would Blast have to help Sonic if Sonic already dodged the attack? Furthermore if FF's life was in grave danger why didn't Blast save both in that moment?

 

[Wardokman69]

Lol chill guys.
Void literally mentioned his intention was to kill one of them. FF sensed the attacked, warned sonic then both dodged. In that brief moment blast hid sonic so that void would think him dead and approach ff with cube which was his intention. He always had the intention of killing one and taking the other one.
Pay attention before coming into assumption about others.

He sense the attack that WAS HAPPENED right in front of them. Unlike Blast. FF didn't dodge anything.
Pay attention to your source, dude.

 

[Engine]

Is this tech manipulation?

 

[Adam1396]

So Sonic is able to dodge DS, yes? We might have a different understanding of what "dodge" means here. Why would Blast have to help Sonic if Sonic already dodged the attack? Furthermore if FF's life was in grave danger why didn't Blast save both in that moment?

Yes. But with help of ff. If ff didn’t warn him, he would have gotten destroyed before knowing he has been attacked.

Blast didn’t help him dodging. Blast hide him to lure void. Sonic on his own can not dodge as he can't percieve the attack.

Because ff can dodge it quite easily. His life was not in grave danger

 

[Adam1396]

He sense the attack that WAS HAPPENED right in front of them. Unlike Blast. FF didn't dodge anything.
Pay attention to your source, dude.

Learn to talk first kid. Our source is same, just interpretation is different

 

[AmongUsAboveUsBelow]

Yes. But with help of ff. If ff didn’t warn him, he would have gotten destroyed before knowing he has been attacked.

Blast didn’t help him dodging. Blast hide him to lure void. Sonic on his own can not dodge as he can't percieve the attack.

Because ff can dodge it quite easily. His life was not in grave danger

Interesting... He can dodge it "quite easily". Yeah, ok. I think other people will have a lot to say on that front. Pay me no mind.

 

[Adam1396]

Interesting... He can dodge it "quite easily". Yeah, ok. I think other people will have a lot to say on that front. Pay me no mind.

Yeah. It's " quite easily" when you compare it with the context regarding the attack. I can't not believe things which contradicts what has been shown regardless of what people say.

 

[Engine]

Metal knight got Boros corpse Drive knight got Orochi's cell. We're gonna have a showdown in the future boys.

 

[Redcated]

bumping this everytime the speed of the slash is discussed

I guess you can use this panel to support your theory

Context they are in this dimension

 

[Adam1396]

I think saitama is getting empowered by other god. Otherwise his feats doesn’t make sense. Murata ain't a dumb mangaka

 

[Wardokman69]

Learn to talk first kid. Our source is same, just interpretation is different

Except what you are saying is clear headcanon.

Void didn't aim for killing FF dude, in the context Void tried to lure him to brainwash him using the cube. He didn't dodge anything here.

 

[AmongUsAboveUsBelow]

Yeah. It's " quite easily" when you compare it with the context regarding the attack. I can't not believe things which contradicts what has been shown regardless of what people say.

By your context DS is more reactable than EV's regular strikes despite them getting speed blitzed across the board.

 

[Adam1396]

By your context DS is more reactable than EV's regular strikes despite them getting speed blitzed across the board.

Both' speed should be same.
Difference is DS attack is thrown from a higher dimension and that's where ignoring distance comes from which is legit. Once it enters the universe speed should be same as his normal strike

 

[JustANormalPerson01]

I think saitama is getting empowered by other god.

That'd be the dumbest decision ever. Saitama being a chill guy who just got too strong by training is way better than the usual cliché "he is powered by another God, that's why he is so strong and can fight godly beings"

Otherwise his feats doesn’t make sense. Murata ain't a dumb mangaka

Saitama is constantly growing stronger, and many days have passed since MA arc. It is not inconsistent at all

 

[AmongUsAboveUsBelow]

Both' speed should be same.
Difference is DS attack is thrown from a higher dimension and that's where ignoring distance comes from which is legit. Once it enters the universe speed should be same as his normal strike

lol

 

[ReusedOil]

Both' speed should be same.
Difference is DS attack is thrown from a higher dimension and that's where ignoring distance comes from which is legit. Once it enters the universe speed should be same as his normal strike

...so about those swords inside the universe? Void is still holding them outside causalty in hyperspace. Saying that the swords connected to a higher dimension should follow universe speed is like saying realspace physics/causalty affect those outside it.

Otherwise, If we are following your logic, if void were to slash at the bubbles, he would have already completed the sword swing from his perspective but in realspace, the sword should still be travelling.

But the panels show him still connected to it. Still manipulating swords with hands in a place outside of the causalty of the universe; movements and actions that are outside the causaulty of the universe; movements and actions that involves the swords currently inside the universe.

 

[Kachon123]

Is this tech manipulation?

Just normal telekinesis. She does have tech manipulation for other reasons though.

 

[Redcated]

Since void lost his sword the probability of him using other ninjutsu in next chapter is high

 

[Entity]

I think saitama is getting empowered by other god. Otherwise his feats doesn’t make sense. Murata ain't a dumb mangaka

First of all Murata isn't the one who writes the story, he only makes "small" changes.
Second thing is no, just no, Saitama getting his strength from someone would go against everything OPM tries to teach

 

[ReusedOil]

Guys genuine question, what if this site isn't called vsbattles but usinbedttles and we discuss how characters do against each other in a bed?

 

[Phoenks]

I need a dislike button

 

[Golden_Void]

If you think it is like a portal, then you just calculate where the portal is and how far the blade travelled from there.

If you think the blade just simply cuts through space-time to enter the universe, then it could be infinite or immeasurable speed.

These are the same, at least from what I'm arguing. Void's projection sphere is exactly where his sword enters space. I feel if his attack was going across the universe to get to them they'd show planets/stars/etc. getting pierced. Murata is no stranger to deep space shots.

Logically, what Void can affect should be based on how far zoomed-in he is on a particular universe. I would imagine if he was very zoomed out to the point where he was viewing the observable universe, a single poke from his sword would obliterate galaxies.

 

[Phoenks]

These are the same, at least from what I'm arguing. Void's projection sphere is exactly where his sword enters space. I feel if his attack was going across the universe to get to them they'd show planets/stars/etc. getting pierced. Murata is no stranger to deep space shots.

Logically, what Void can affect should be based on how far zoomed-in he is on a particular universe. I would imagine if he was very zoomed out to the point where he was viewing the observable universe, a single poke from his sword would obliterate galaxies.

Speed simply varies in this case

 

[Tural2004]

Can someone remind me what the arguments for infinite/immeasurable speed were? I have been dismissing it this whole time but thinking over it, it might actually make sense. The whole exchange between Void and Saitama happened while Void was outside of causality. From the perspective of normal time flow, there should have been no time between the first and the second slashes.

 

[Kin201]

Can someone remind me what the arguments for infinite/immeasurable speed were?

The argument assumes the initial stab doesn't have a travel time and is instantaneous which Saitama can catch.

 

[Redcated]

Speed simply varies in this case

Oh yeah what happens if void attack in different time flow? (since we have a statement that god dimension have slow time flow than earth) does that change anything?

 

[ReusedOil]

Can someone remind me what the arguments for infinite/immeasurable speed were? I have been dismissing it this whole time but thinking over it, it might actually make sense. The whole exchange between Void and Saitama happened while Void was outside of causality. From the perspective of normal time flow, there should have been no time between the first and the second slashes.

Wait for the bump

 

[ReusedOil]

edit: I THINK I FIGURED IT OUT LET ME COOK

Wait, we might be looking at it the wrong way here. Instead of focusing on where the swords appeared or how fast it travells, lets instead consider what the sword's properties actually are. If we assume that the hyperverse dimension is outside the universe's causalty, and those swords carry over that ability instead of losing it once entering realspace... this means that any and all things that affect causalty, the swords simply ignore.

Time for example, affect causalty/a part of it. To say that time passed for the sword to travel, is to say that the causalty of the universe affected the swords.

Like yes we see the swords "moving", but we shouldn't think that for the sword, time is passing. Universe time doesn't apply to hyperspace. The swords are moving under their own "time". Like the swords could be moving at a snail's pace but from anyone elses perspective; real space; the swords move instantly.

Bump

Theres a whole lot of supporting evidence with nothing really contradicting it. Ima just wait for someone else to elaborate

 

[JustANormalPerson01]

Save your cards for when the arc is complete, since most people who'd disagree will appear once a CRT is made

 

[Redcated]

I wish murata release 1 final chapter in January before he take a break