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[Alexander]

Blast didn't told him, he sense it on his own and well yah, he can't dodge it because it's traveling through dimension beyond 3D space

Blast told him previosly when they were in the HQ, also in that case that he actually sense it, then Flashy would get extrasensory perception.

 

[AmongUsAboveUsBelow]

Wow... what do you think about me?

Easily agitated yet cute.

To be fair, MCU Thanos is an Extraordinary Genius so he'd unironically be the smartest and brightest scaler on the entire site lol.

Oh absolutely without a doubt.

 

[Jirenoffical]

For landing timeframe (Cloud version), why not just use speed of light reaction speed based on Flashy Flash, where it's stated he can move at the speed of light supported by feats as well? It should land at least faster than Flash's reaction i think.

I already mentioned that though

For the Low end, assuming it happens in 1 second (which is literally impossible since Sonic and FF can't dodge it)- 3,000,000 meters per second (Hypersonic)

"Which is literally impossible since Sonic and FF can't dodge it"
The least acceptable version of calcs is already Low-high end, just wanted to lowball it as much as i could at the start

 

[Alexander]

Easily agitated yet cute.

Awww, thats one of the few nicest things someone told me on the internet

 

[MrTayman616]

I already mentioned that though

No? At the very least it's not there. Speed of light perception speed is 0.000000003336 second

 

[Jirenoffical]

No? At the very least it's not there. Speed of light perception speed is 0.000000003336 second

Oh, I misunderstood what you said. Sorry about that.

 

[Jirenoffical]

Would you like me to do an addition of it as as extreme-end or something? Its MUCH faster than even 0,001 second which was the minimum time is used.

 

[MrTayman616]

Blast told him previosly when they were in the HQ, also in that case that he actually sense it, then Flashy would get extrasensory perception.

Blast explains him the ability though. When he disappears, he might have understood what was about to come.

 

[azizbengibi]

I understand your point about Saitama being an esoteric character, but I don’t think that means his speed can’t be measured. In my opinion, the fact that he stopped the attack shows that he has infinite reaction speed. Surpassing physical limits doesn’t necessarily invalidate the concept of speed.

This should be limited to when saitama encounters immeasurable speed due to eosteric ability, instead of scaling to his physicals. Like a seperate thing to his stats

 

[MrTayman616]

Would you like me to do an addition of it as as extreme-end or something? Its MUCH faster than even 0,001 second which was the minimum time is used.

I think it's a logical one. Even Base Empty Void blitz Flashy Flash before he can perceive it. Which a casual Blast can also do it.

 

[ReusedOil]

I understand your point about Saitama being an esoteric character, but I don’t think that means his speed can’t be measured. In my opinion, the fact that he stopped the attack shows that he has infinite reaction speed. Surpassing physical limits doesn’t necessarily invalidate the concept of speed.

What i mean to say is that he isn't moving at those speeds purely off of the strength of his muscles and reacting with just brainpower. But that just as with the sword's hyperpace properties and blast's feat of outspeeding teleportation implying the same probable time ignoring capability, saitama himself unknowingly might also be instinctually utilizing said properties.

I mean he's clearly unaware of it. His natural strength is exponential after all and theres nothing to grow if its immeasurable from the get go.

 

[Jirenoffical]

I think it's a logical one. Even Base Empty Void blitz Flashy Flash before he can perceive it. Which a casual Blast can also do it.

Alright, working on that.

 

[AmongUsAboveUsBelow]

I believe that Dimension Slash should have infinite speed and Saitama should have infinite reaction/attack speed. This has been mentioned before, but here are my personal reasons for it:

When Empty Void attacks 3D beings within a 4D universe from outside the universe, it can be said that this attack possesses infinite speed. This is because Empty Void’s attack completely disregards distance, size, and energy to reach its target. As a being outside the universe, it is unaffected by the physical limitations of the 4D universe. This demonstrates that neither physical obstacles nor distance play any role in the attack’s journey to its target.

In physics, speed is defined as the distance traveled divided by time. However, in Empty Void’s attack, distance is not a factor. The attack occurs independently of the concept of distance, effectively reaching its target instantaneously. This bypasses physical notions of speed and inherently qualifies the attack as moving at infinite speed.

Empty Void’s ability to initiate an attack from outside the universe eliminates the need for physical transport due to the differences between dimensions. By overcoming limitations such as distance and energy loss, the attack reaches its target without encountering any physical barriers. In this case, the speed of the attack surpasses all physical definitions and is recognized as infinite.

In conclusion, Empty Void’s attacks from outside the universe completely nullify concepts such as distance, size, and energy, allowing them to reach their target at infinite speed.

And I think the attack initially appearing in the sky does not mean it took time to occur; it simply shows that Saitama perceived an infinite-speed attack and then reacted to stop it. Additionally, we can say the attack originated from the edge of the universe, but since it disregards concepts like distance, it reaches its target instantly. This is why it appears as if it started from the sky.

What are your thoughts, and do you think it can truly be considered infinite speed? If I am mistaken, please let me know.

Not a thought of my own, but I have seen forum users and external source comments report that it's more likely referring to spawn capabilities. As in he can attack anywhere from within the universe hence "ignoring distance" rather than it instantly crossing all that distance to reach it's target. And while at first this did make sense, it clashes with what we're shown in the visual sense most of the time. Usually what we're shown is a cleave through a bubble from the outside using a sword so big it could possibly cross all it's mass and more, whereas those other arguments stem from the bubble details themselves which have considerably less focus handed to them.

Btw, if you were to ask me. I think anything below 5D is pure cope by downplayers at this point. I honestly don't see it because the manga explicitly keeps bringing up higher dimensionality and defying causality.

 

[Jirenoffical]

I think it's a logical one. Even Base Empty Void blitz Flashy Flash before he can perceive it. Which a casual Blast can also do it.

Added. Even for Exosphere, the result is crazy. Just sending the same text with additions

For every possiblty, will use 1 second (low end) 13 miliseconds (mid end) and 1 miliseconds (high end) and 0,000000003336 seconds (EXTREME END)
[0.000000003336 is speed of light perception speed, which is Flashy Flash's reaction time.]

LOW End
Assuming it comes from where Void aims, which is sky.

MID End
Assuming it comes from edge of universe

HIGH End
Assuming the universe is infinite

1- LOW-Low END:
It's both from sky and happens in 1 second
Even though taking it as low as its from sky, i'll take it as the highest layer of sky, Exosphere, which has the top height of 3000km

For the Low end, assuming it happens in 1 second (which is literally impossible since Sonic and FF can't dodge it)- 3,000,000 meters per second (Hypersonic)

LOW-Mid end
Taking the same 3000km distance but 13 miliseconds-
3,000,000÷0,013=230,769,230.76923 meters per second(Relativistic+)

LOW-High end
Taking the same 3000km distance but 1 milisecond-
3,000,000÷0,001=3,000,000,000 meters per second (FTL+)

LOW-EXTREME end
Taking 3000km distance but 0.000000003336 seconds-
3,000,000÷0.000000003336=8,99280575539e+14 meters per second (MFTL+, 2,999,677.1150894 times SoL)

MID-Low end
Assuming its from the edge of universe (46.5 billion light-years: distance between earth and the edge of universe), in 1 second-
46.5 billion light years into meters=4.39923966975e+26 meters per second (MFTL+, 1.467.428.399.999.975.936[1,46 quintillion] times of SoL)

MID-Mid end
Taking same distance but 0,013 seconds-
4.39923966975e+26÷0,013=3.38402974596e+28 meters per second (MFTL+, 112.879.082.033.477.976.000 [112,87 quintillion] times of SoL)

MID-High end
Same distance but 0,001 seconds-
4.39923966975e+26÷0,001=4.39923966975e+29 meters per second (MFTL+, 1.467.428.399.999.975.950.000 [1,46 Sextillion] times of SoL)

MID-EXTREME end
Same distance but 0.000000003336 seconds-
4.39923966975e+26÷0.000000003336=1.3187169273831e+35 (MFTL+, 1,318,716,927,383,100,000,000,000,000,000 × 10⁵ [1.31 Nonillion times 1.000.000 {According to https://www.calculatorsoup dot com/calculators/math/scientific-notation-converter.php is "out of real number}] times SoL)

HIGH ENDS
{Of course using of time is useless here, so i'll just use assumes}

HIGH end 1-
The universe is infinite and whatever the time it takes for blade to hit is irrevelant, speed of attack is Infinity Speed

HIGH end 2-
The attack is beyond the causalty of the universe, because it is from Hyperspace which is out of causalty. Hyperspace is not just exceeding distance, energy and size but also time and other rules of universe since it is outside of causalty, and must have a time of its own. Moving in its own time and moving above the time flow of universe, the attack would be Immeasurable Speed.

 

[azizbengibi]

I’m sorry, I’m using translation to communicate, but I don’t quite understand what you mean. Are you opposing infinite speed or agreeing with it? Could you clarify this a bit more?

What i mean to say is that he isn't moving at those speeds purely off of the strength of his muscles and reacting with just brainpower. But that just as with the sword's hyperpace properties and blast's feat of outspeeding teleportation implying the same probable time ignoring capability, saitama himself unknowingly might also be instinctually utilizing said properties.

I mean he's clearly unaware of it. His natural strength is exponential after all and theres nothing to grow if its immeasurable from the get go.

 

[NikolaTesura]

He didn't see it, yes, but he sensed it coming before it landed. With this massive anti feat it's hard to fully believe with it having infinite speed. nevermind here

Like I said before - the only reason Flashy sensed the attack was because he had direct contact with God. Same goes for Blast, he can sense the attack before it is even thrown because he is attuned with God's power. Flashy saw God after Void pressed one of God's cube onto him, therefore he knows what God's power looks like. Proof:

This is not an anti-feat, Flashy being able to sense the attack in this scenario makes complete sense.


Proof that Flashy sensed Void's attack before it was thrown, instead of reacting to it afterwards(and you can notice on the last page that even though he knew the attack would land, he managed to still be grazed by it, which further proves its absurd levels of speed):

 

[Alexander]

Like I said before - the only reason Flashy sensed the attack was because he had direct contact with God. Same goes for Blast, he can sense the attack before it is even thrown because he is attuned with God's power. Flashy saw God after Void pressed one of God's cube onto him, therefore he knows what God's power looks like. Proof:

This is not an anti-feat, Flashy being able to sense the attack in this scenario makes complete sense.


Proof that Flashy sensed Void's attack before it was thrown, instead of reacting to it afterwards(and you can notice on the last page that even though he knew the attack would land, he managed to still be grazed by it, which further proves its absurd levels of speed):

Also something to notice is that, the Blade is imposible to be see, you only see the effects and not the blade itself

 

[Entity]

Like I said before - the only reason Flashy sensed the attack was because he had direct contact with God. Same goes for Blast, he can sense the attack before it is even thrown because he is attuned with God's power. Flashy saw God after Void pressed one of God's cube onto him, therefore he knows what God's power looks lik

Then Sonic should have sensed it too, right?

 

[Alexander]

Then Sonic should have sensed it too, right?

Sonic has a strong "heart"

 

[Entity]

Sonic has a strong "heart"

But he still made contact with God

 

[azizbengibi]

Not a thought of my own, but I have seen forum users and external source comments report that it's more likely referring to spawn capabilities. As in he can attack anywhere from within the universe hence "ignoring distance" rather than it instantly crossing all that distance to reach it's target. And while at first this did make sense, it clashes with what we're shown in the visual sense most of the time. Usually what we're shown is a cleave through a bubble from the outside using a sword so big it could possibly cross all it's mass and more, whereas those other arguments stem from the bubble details themselves which have considerably less focus handed to them.

Btw, if you were to ask me. I think anything below 5D is pure cope by downplayers at this point. I honestly don't see it because the manga explicitly keeps bringing up higher dimensionality and defying causality.

It already ignores distance, which allows it to cross all the distance at once and reach its target instantly. I don't think there is any visual contradiction here, as it is stated that it ignores distance, energy, and size. This is why it can arrive so quickly from outside the universe. The fact that it is only shown cutting through a big bubble doesn’t mean much, in my opinion, because it is already stated that it ignores distance. I don’t think anything extra is needed to classify it as having infinite speed.

 

[NikolaTesura]

The main issue regarding the Dimension Slash having infinite speed is that when it lands, it clearly does not seem to be instant, just extremely fast. Proof:

Blast was able to see the attack landing and still teleport himself, Sonic and Flashy away from it. We know Blast is a lot, lot faster than Flashy, so it makes sense he reacted way better than him, but still. This seems to suggest the attack may have "infinite speed" before landing, but after it "makes contact" with its target, the speed decreases. Maybe Murata chose this route for dramatic effect, so it would look cooler or something.

Still, this probably means that after the Dimension Slash arrives at its initial target location, it stops having infinite levels of speed.

It is important to note that the version of Void that launched this last Dimension Slash was not complete. The next Dimension Slash, after Void fully assimilated Garou's power, seemed to be so fast that no one could react. They didn't even seem able to brace for impact:

It seems that their expressions or body posture only changed after Saitama caught it, which might suggest that the Slash is a lot faster, maybe even more close to being instant. At least, it seems fast enough to blitz Blast. Yes, he is missing an arm, but he clearly can still use his teleporting ability, as we saw he doing so right after this. So the fact that he didn't do anything must mean he couldn't react to it at all.

 

[ReusedOil]

I’m sorry, I’m using translation to communicate, but I don’t quite understand what you mean. Are you opposing infinite speed or agreeing with it? Could you clarify this a bit more?

I agree with infinite speed for saitama.

But its because of his unknown power, not physical strength.

Unknown power, that only activates or turns on when encountering phenomena that ignores time

Without the phenomena, he cannot access infinite speed

 

[Alexander]

I agree with infinite speed for saitama.

But its because of his unknown power, not physical strength.

Unknown power, that only activates or turns on when encountering phenomena that ignores time

Without the phenomena, he cannot access infinite speed

Ok now that sounds like a headcanon

 

[darkphantom9805]

Blast was able to see the attack landing and still teleport himself, Sonic and Flashy away from it. We know Blast is a lot, lot faster than Flashy, so it makes sense he reacted way better than him, but still. This seems to suggest the attack may have "infinite speed" before landing, but after it "makes contact" with its target, the speed decreases. Maybe Murata chose this route for dramatic effect, so it would look cooler or something.

The thing is that’s just not true despite how you think it looks of them seeing they just aren’t because we are told blast can’t dodge it with pure speed he has to have pre cog and teleportation if he could see it that far away he’d dodge it effortlessly with how small the aoe should be for someone of blast speed

 

[NikolaTesura]

Then Sonic should have sensed it too, right?

Maybe. But is he faster than Flashy? Because Flashy sensed and still got grazed by it, even though the main target seemed to be Sonic at that time. We don't even know if Flashy could've dodged if he was the main target. Maybe Sonic sensed it but still couldn't dodge.

Or Sonic is special in some way, which is definitely being hinted, and that might make him immune to God's influence - which means he may not even be able to sense it.

Think of it like this: pain, touch and temperature are all related to the somatosensory system. If you remove one's ability to feel pain, they most likely wouldn't be able to feel changes in temperature, and maybe not have a sense of touch. So, if Sonic cannot be influenced by God like how other characters can, maybe he can't even sense him in the first place.

 

[azizbengibi]

The main issue regarding the Dimension Slash having infinite speed is that when it lands, it clearly does not seem to be instant, just extremely fast. Proof:

Blast was able to see the attack landing and still teleport himself, Sonic and Flashy away from it. We know Blast is a lot, lot faster than Flashy, so it makes sense he reacted way better than him, but still. This seems to suggest the attack may have "infinite speed" before landing, but after it "makes contact" with its target, the speed decreases. Maybe Murata chose this route for dramatic effect, so it would look cooler or something.

Still, this probably means that after the Dimension Slash arrives at its initial target location, it stops having infinite levels of speed.

It is important to note that the version of Void that launched this last Dimension Slash was not complete. The next Dimension Slash, after Void fully assimilated Garou's power, seemed to be so fast that no one could react. They didn't even seem able to brace for impact:

It seems that their expressions or body posture only changed after Saitama caught it, which might suggest that the Slash is a lot faster, maybe even more close to being instant. At least, it seems fast enough to blitz Blast. Yes, he is missing an arm, but he clearly can still use his teleporting ability, as we saw he doing so right after this. So the fact that he didn't do anything must mean he couldn't react to it at all.

I think everything happens instantly, but since it’s being shown in the manga, they obviously can’t depict it as if it happened instantly. I don’t think they will show this attack right away in the anime either. In the panel where Saitama stops it, I believe it also happens instantly, but Saitama reacts so fast that he stops it immediately.

 

[ReusedOil]

Ok now that sounds like a headcanon

We have been shown that his power is finite with the graph and is shown to grow. Immeasurable cannot increase. Garou copies him, and saitama grows stronger still. Thats not what you call immeasurable physicals

There has been two characters (blast and void) shown to both react and move by ignoring time, both of which required eosteric ability of hyperspace properties.

If saitama is literally doing what they can do, is it really headcannon to say that yeah, saitama does have the ability that allows him to do them?

That being said, unless there is evidence that is fully capable of what he can do and is aware of the full extent of his capabilities (clearly not considering he needed garou to teach him timetravel), then this new eosteric ability of his is clearly instinctual. Just like how he kicked a portal, he simply caught a sword

 

[NikolaTesura]

The thing is that’s just not true despite how you think it looks of them seeing they just aren’t because we are told blast can’t dodge it with pure speed he has to have pre cog and teleportation if he could see it that far away he’d dodge it effortlessly with how small the aoe should be for someone of blast speed

So, you are saying that the Dimension Slash is invisible to them?

 

[darkphantom9805]

So, you are saying that the Dimension Slash is invisible to them?

If they could perceive it as easy as you claim they wouldn’t have such trouble dodging especially the speed difference between blast sonic and flashy

 

[darkphantom9805]

We have been shown that his power is finite with the graph and is shown to grow. Immeasurable cannot increase. Garou copies him, and saitama grows stronger still. Thats not what you call immeasurable physicals

you know how many people have infinite or immeasurable on this site but fight people and lose and get stronger or weaker which shouldn’t be possible by that logic

there are higher layers of infinity etc it’s also possible the graph was ret con or saitama strength just depends on who’s he’s fighting or maybe his growth is that powerful if he fights an immeasurable being he grows to that level and adapts

 

[azizbengibi]

I agree with infinite speed for saitama.

But its because of his unknown power, not physical strength.

Unknown power, that only activates or turns on when encountering phenomena that ignores time

Without the phenomena, he cannot access infinite speed

Yes, I think so too. It even feels like, no matter the opponent’s level within the series—whether they are Low 2-C or 2-B, 2-A, etc.—Saitama will instantly adapt to them and surpass them. I even believe this will happen if an opponent of such levels appears. He's power is truly magnificent and thought-provoking.

 

[AmongUsAboveUsBelow]

It already ignores distance, which allows it to cross all the distance at once and reach its target instantly. I don't think there is any visual contradiction here, as it is stated that it ignores distance, energy, and size. This is why it can arrive so quickly from outside the universe. The fact that it is only shown cutting through a big bubble doesn’t mean much, in my opinion, because it is already stated that it ignores distance. I don’t think anything extra is needed to classify it as having infinite speed.

I guess? Doesn't really address why it sparked doubt in those people. Since I think everyone is aware of those statements.

 

[Alexander]

We have been shown that his power is finite with the graph and is shown to grow. Immeasurable cannot increase. Garou copies him, and saitama grows stronger still. Thats not what you call immeasurable physicals

There has been two characters (blast and void) shown to both react and move by ignoring time, both of which required eosteric ability of hyperspace properties.

If saitama is literally doing what they can do, is it really headcannon to say that yeah, saitama does have the ability that allows him to do them?

That being said, unless there is evidence that is fully capable of what he can do and is aware of the full extent of his capabilities (clearly not considering he needed garou to teach him timetravel), then this new eosteric ability of his is clearly instinctual. Just like how he kicked a portal, he simply caught a sword

yeah but we also have many chracatets in this wiki with tecnically, "infinite power"and they still grow (any character that is low-2 C is basically still capable of growing in power)

 

[Alexander]

So, you are saying that the Dimension Slash is invisible to them?

Actually yes, if you pay attention, almost all the times you don't see the sword, you see the effects

 

[darkphantom9805]

Actually yes, if you pay attention, almost all the times you don't see the sword, you see the effects

Yeah You don’t ever see the sword the only time it’s ever visible is the clear effect when saitama grabs it which is obviously just so the viewer can see what saitama is grabbing cause the panel would look weird if he was just holding nothing

 

[azizbengibi]

Everyone has their own opinion, but in my view, what is shown to us and these statements are sufficient.

I guess? Doesn't really address why it sparked doubt in those people. Since I think everyone is aware of those statements.

 

[AmongUsAboveUsBelow]

I think everything happens instantly, but since it’s being shown in the manga, they obviously can’t depict it as if it happened instantly. I don’t think they will show this attack right away in the anime either. In the panel where Saitama stops it, I believe it also happens instantly, but Saitama reacts so fast that he stops it immediately.

The two glasses shots would support that. Because if that's their speed during that exchange, and the dimension slash is implied to be faster it starts to make a whole lot more sense why the manga can't really do much to showcase it's true speed without sacrificing visual coherence.

 

[NikolaTesura]

If they could perceive it as easy as you claim they wouldn’t have such trouble dodging especially the speed difference between blast sonic and flashy

Why do you speak in such a weird manner? I didn't say they could easily perceive it. I am actually more inclined to believe that they most likely need to sense it beforehand. But that one panel of Blast clearly reacting to it after it was thrown does seem to contradict this.

Also, where are we told that blast cannot dodge it with pure speed and needs to have precog? Can you please remind me? I do not remember any of this.

And, another thing to add:

Have we completely forgotten about this? This gives way more credence to the fact that the Dimension Slash is currently not complete. Void does not have full capability (we don't even know if he is on his final form, and only the last Dimensional Slash he threw, the one that Saitama caught and no one else seemed to be able to react, was thrown while on his current, post-garou form), therefore his Dimension Slash does not fully ignore Distance, Energy and Size.

I believe this explains the dilemma we are having, and may explain why the Dimension Slash seems inconsistent.

 

[ReusedOil]

you know how many people have infinite or immeasurable on this site but fight people and lose and get stronger or weaker which shouldn’t be possible by that logic

there are higher layers of infinity etc it’s also possible the graph was ret con or saitama strength just depends on who’s he’s fighting or maybe his growth is that powerful if he fights an immeasurable being he grows to that level and adapts

Your reasoning has too many maybes compared to my interpretation that is pretty cut and dry. We should stick to something with less assumptions