STRONGEST One-Punch Man Discussion Thread!

[darkphantom9805]

Why do you speak in such a weird manner? I didn't say they could easily perceive it. I am actually more inclined to believe that they most likely need to sense it beforehand. But that one panel of Blast clearly reacting to it after it was thrown does seem to contradict this.

Expect they don’t that’s your head canon interpretation of it what if that’s just blast dimensional sense kicking in your just assuming they perceived it for no reason when that’s never stated no character as stated they could perceive it

Have we completely forgotten about this? This gives way more credence to the fact that the Dimension Slash is currently not complete. Void does not have full capability (we don't even know if he is on his final form, and only the last Dimensional Slash he threw, the one that Saitama caught and no one else seemed to be able to react, was thrown while on his current, post-garou form), therefore his Dimension Slash does not fully ignore Distance, Energy and Size.

This is also head canon blast doesn’t specify or quantify this he also doesn’t say it’s void specifically who has limits but that the subjects capabilities are limits like homeless emperor etc unless you could prove that void capabilities doesn’t include the ability to full ignore those properties assuming anything else is head canon and unquantifiable

 

[MrTayman616]

Also, where are we told that blast cannot dodge it with pure speed and needs to have precog?

Precog isn't required. but Void himself states Blast can't dodge it anymore since he can't teleport rn.

 

[darkphantom9805]

Your reasoning has too many maybes compared to my interpretation that is pretty cut and dry. We should stick to something with less assumptions

Everything you or I say is an assumption as nothing is yet to be proven because not enough information about saitama or god has been given

 

[NikolaTesura]

Expect they don’t that’s your head canon interpretation of it what if that’s just blast dimensional sense kicking in your just assuming they perceived it for no reason when that’s never stated no character as stated they could perceive it

Okay, I definitely won't be arguing with you anymore. I doubt you are capable of understanding why. Have a nice day.

 

[ReusedOil]

Everything you or I say is an assumption as nothing is yet to be proven because not enough information about saitama or god has been given

Count how many maybes you said to justify your interpretation. I have multiple showings and contextual clues to support mine, with nothing to disprove them.

 

[NikolaTesura]

Precog isn't required. but Void himself states Blast can't dodge it anymore since he can't teleport rn.

Void said this in his new form, didn't he? I believe this supports the idea that his DS now became way faster or even instant. This means Flashy would not be able to react to it at all, this time around.

 

[ReusedOil]

yeah but we also have many chracatets in this wiki with tecnically, "infinite power"and they still grow (any character that is low-2 C is basically still capable of growing in power)

Cause without my interpretation, we have to go off arguing as to how exactly an immesurable amount can increase, purely off of biological muscle strength without the existence of very clearly showcased eosteric abilities

 

[darkphantom9805]

Count how many maybes you said to justify your interpretation. I have multiple showings and contextual clues to support mine, with nothing to disprove them.

Everything your saying is also assumption everything we have no clear understanding of what saitama is GoD nor their abilities and their absolute peaks which is crazy because even despite this arc they have yet to mention anything about god other then he lives in a higher dimension

 

[azizbengibi]

I think Void has another form like this that it hasn't used

 

[darkphantom9805]

I think Void has another form like this that it hasn't used

Nah that was re drawn into his current cosmic form

 

[Alexander]

Cause without my interpretation, we have to go off arguing as to how exactly an immesurable amount can increase, purely off of biological muscle strength without the existence of very clearly showcased eosteric abilities

yeah and you are ignoring that this is fiction right?

 

[ReusedOil]

Everything your saying is also assumption everything we have no clear understanding of what saitama is GoD nor their abilities and their absolute peaks which is crazy because even despite this arc they have yet to mention anything about god other then he lives in a higher dimension

Assumptions that dont contradict anything.

 

[azizbengibi]

Nah that was re drawn into his current cosmic form

Really? I didn't know that, but wasn't this form already drawn after the redraw?

 

[darkphantom9805]

Assumptions that dont contradict anything.

And my assumptions don’t either but guess what both are head canon until officially stated

 

[ReusedOil]

yeah and you are ignoring that this is fiction right?

i am not talking about realism here. I am pointing towards a solution to a question that doesnt contradict already established information

 

[darkphantom9805]

Really? I didn't know that, but wasn't this form already drawn after the redraw?

No like they just changed his design after the re draw into his current form as that’s the cosmic form just like garou

 

[ReusedOil]

And my assumptions don’t either but guess what both are head canon until officially stated

Uh prettyy sure going ahead and saying "maybe the graph was retconned" counts man

 

[darkphantom9805]

Uh prettyy sure going ahead and saying "maybe the graph was retconned" counts man

I mean the graph happened years ago the higher dimensional stuff is happening now so you can’t say it wasn’t ret con as there’s no official statement he has finite anything currently again we know next to nothing about saitama his peak nor god and his peak

 

[azizbengibi]

I think in the next chapter, Void will do something. I don't think they'll waste him this easily. At least we might see universal-level battles like Garou vs. Saitama.

 

[ReusedOil]

I mean the graph happened years ago the higher dimensional stuff is happening now so you can’t say it wasn’t ret con as there’s no official statement he has finite anything currently again we know next to nothing about saitama his peak nor god and his peak

idk man the burden of proof is on you to prove its retconnned. Your interpretation has you literally going against established information and contradicting em... something you said you dont do with your assumptions

 

[darkphantom9805]

idk man the burden of proof is on you to prove its retconnned. Your interpretation has you literally going against established information and contradicting em... something you said you dont do with your assumptions

not really because your interpretation goes against the narrative as your saying Saitama wouldn’t even be able to get past universal since he has finite strength etc your assuming saitama limits and by extension gods even tho we now next to nothing about them

 

[AmongUsAboveUsBelow]

Really? I didn't know that, but wasn't this form already drawn after the redraw?

Can't access the link for some reason. Are you talking about the famously titled "bird form"? It's still canon. We see that depiction of Void shortly after he sucks up Garou.

 

[MrTayman616]

Void said this in his new form, didn't he? I believe this supports the idea that his DS now became way faster or even instant. This means Flashy would not be able to react to it at all, this time around.

It doesn't support it that much since Blast didn't dodge it normally even once and Void says it he can't because he can't teleport.

I think Void has another form like this that it hasn't used

I'm still waiting for it :d

 

[Quangotjokes]

So who’s gonna calc how much faster Void slash is with his giant size relative to his regular body?

 

[ReusedOil]

not really because your interpretation goes against the narrative as your saying Saitama wouldn’t even be able to get past universal since he has finite strength etc your assuming saitama limits and by extension gods even tho we now next to nothing about them

Im not saying that his limit is universal strengh. My point is that based on the graph, his power is still being measured; again not that it cannot measure infinity or the above tiers, because i think it can and that he has the potential to reach em, but that we cannot assume that he had reached an immeasurable state and do away with established information (the graph) altogether. So many assumptions would have to be made like how exponential is his growth really or does the timeframe to reach "immeasurable" match up. So many questions, so little answers

Also you can't just go "not really". We both made claims. You cant just absolve yourself of the responsibility lol

 

[NikolaTesura]

It doesn't support it that much since Blast didn't dodge it normally even once and Void says it he can't because he can't teleport.

I mean, Blast clearly reacted to the DS after it was thrown in that panel I uploaded earlier. The DS landed, blast reacted (this is shown by the two exclamation marks above his head, and he turning towards the attack) while keeping his hands free and to the side of his body, then in the next panel, he had already teleported away. This clearly means he had to punch his fists together (is this how that motion would be called, in english? punching fists together? I don't know) faster than the slash could hit him.

He also mentioned before about how the DS is one of God's powers, and that any interference from God's dimension ignores energy, distance and size. Then he goes on to clarify that the extent in which those things are ignored depend on the subject's capabilities, showing God on the moon in the same panel. This, in my opinion, somewhat implies only God can use this power to it's full extent. But this is just my opinion.

What Blast said can be interpreted in two ways:
1- Either Void cannot access God's dimension, therefore God is on an even higher dimension than what we have seen, so Void cannot interfere from "the higher dimension which God's located". This means his DS does not ignore energy, size and distance, as it would if it came from God's dimension.

2- Void indeed uses his attack from God's dimension, however, he cannot use it to it's full extent, therefore his attack does not fully ignore energy, size and distance. Either it ignores those three partially (for example, ignoring distance until it reaches the starting point of the slash, afterwards it's not instant anymore) or only one or two of those fully, and the other(s) it does not ignore.

I understand that any attack from a higher dimension(so, any higher than the target dimension) would, theoretically, ignore all of these things by default (right? I am new to powerscaling, like I said before. So I'm not too familiar with this), however I am just going off what Blast said. This is fiction, therefore we should probably go off what the author's intention is, and not what should happen, no? Specially considering how specific Blast was about it. If there are contradictions, shouldn't the author's intent be the deciding factor? I don't think we have seen anything that absolutely proves Void's DS is completely ignoring size, energy and distance all at the same time and to their full extent. Therefore, I don't think we can safely assume that's what is happening, specially after considering what Blast said before.



I am sorry if this text is confusing. English is not my main language, and I feel I wasn't able to write in an easy-to-understand manner this time.

 

[ReusedOil]

while keeping his hands free and to the side of his body, then in the next panel, he had already teleported away. This clearly means he had to punch his fists together (is this how that motion would be called, in english? punching fists together? I don't know) faster than the slash could hit him.

Theres actually pretty good evidence that while charging up to teleport by smashing his fists together, blast himself is seemingly able to tap into hyperspace properties and ignore time.

an example of this is outpacing a serious saitama and a buffed garou from clashing fists, where an inch away before they do he's seemingly able to smash his own fists to teleport. Without it being explained away by a time dilation, this would seem weird seeing as how blast is shown to be somewhat equal in speed with a weaker garou beforehand

 

[Redcated]

The main issue regarding the Dimension Slash having infinite speed is that when it lands, it clearly does not seem to be instant, just extremely fast. Proof:

Blast was able to see the attack landing and still teleport himself, Sonic and Flashy away from it. We know Blast is a lot, lot faster than Flashy, so it makes sense he reacted way better than him, but still. This seems to suggest the attack may have "infinite speed" before landing, but after it "makes contact" with its target, the speed decreases. Maybe Murata chose this route for dramatic effect, so it would look cooler or something.

Still, this probably means that after the Dimension Slash arrives at its initial target location, it stops having infinite levels of speed.

It is important to note that the version of Void that launched this last Dimension Slash was not complete. The next Dimension Slash, after Void fully assimilated Garou's power, seemed to be so fast that no one could react. They didn't even seem able to brace for impact:

It seems that their expressions or body posture only changed after Saitama caught it, which might suggest that the Slash is a lot faster, maybe even more close to being instant. At least, it seems fast enough to blitz Blast. Yes, he is missing an arm, but he clearly can still use his teleporting ability, as we saw he doing so right after this. So the fact that he didn't do anything must mean he couldn't react to it at all.

The only reason the slash takes time because void for some reason aim it first far away and drag it toward the target

 

[NikolaTesura]

Theres actually pretty good evidence that while charging up to teleport by smashing his fists together, blast himself is seemingly able to tap into hyperspace properties and ignore time.

That's a good point! Actually, I do believe that in the process of teleporting (so, before actually teleporting but after already having smashed his fists together), Blast can become somewhat intangible. So one could interpret that panel as the Dimensional Slash having actually phased through him, so he didn't "dodge" it by teleporting beforehand, he just became intangible and unable to be hit right before the Dimensional Slash arrived.

But if what you said is true, then why didn't he try to dodge the DS that Saitama caught? I still do believe that DS was "faster" than the other ones in some way, as Void clearly was stronger at that point, and I still subscribe to the idea that the ability to ignore size, distance and energy scale to that subject of God's power. So, the more of God's power that subject attains, the better able they are to do such things. This could explain Blast not reacting, meaning this new DS definitely was instant or at least a lot closer to be.

 

[ReusedOil]

But if what you said is true, then why didn't he try to dodge the DS that Saitama caught?

Bros hand was cut. I think that little detail might affect his capability to use his powers at full capacity

 

[NikolaTesura]

The only reason the slash takes time because void for some reason aim it first far away and drag it toward the target

That's what I said.

"Still, this probably means that after the Dimension Slash arrives at its initial target location, it stops having infinite levels of speed."

It seems to have infinite (or something akin to infinite) levels of speed for it to reach earth pretty much instantenously, but after it does so, it loses that property and just becomes a very, very fast attack. Fast enough to blitz Flashy in the first pages shown in the comment you quoted, and then fast enough to blitz Blast in the last pages.

 

[Redcated]

That's what I said.

"Still, this probably means that after the Dimension Slash arrives at its initial target location, it stops having infinite levels of speed."

It seems to have infinite (or something akin to infinite) levels of speed for it to reach earth pretty much instantenously, but after it does so, it loses that property and just becomes a very, very fast attack. Fast enough to blitz Flashy in the first pages shown in the comment you quoted, and then fast enough to blitz Blast in the last pages.

I mean even if it doesn't look instant it still be infinite since blast is unable to dodge it without teleportation who is capable of intercepting Void mid teleportation

 

[NikolaTesura]

Bros hand was cut. I think that little detail might put a hamper on the effectiveness lol

I guess. I am definitely considering that as a possible reason as well. Honestly, quite too many variables present to actually come to a somewhat sensible answer.

So I'm just more into believing that "The DS gets more effective the stronger Void is" or "The last DS either was pretty much instant, or always was instant and this time around Blast simply couldn't use his time hax due to lacking an arm"(and that's if he even can use some type of time hax to teleport, I'm not fully convinced he has that ability)

 

[NikolaTesura]

I mean even if it doesn't look instant it still be infinite since blast is unable to dodge it without teleportation who is capable of intercepting Void mid teleportation

This reasoning seems a bit shaky to me.

 

[Redcated]

This reasoning seems a bit shaky to me.

Teleportation=infinite so intercepting it mid-teleportation means infinite, what's shaky about it?

 

[NikolaTesura]

Teleportation=infinite so intercepting it mid-teleportation means infinite, what's shaky about it?

Hm. Yeah, makes sense actually. I think I do remember Blast intercepted Void like that, yes. I thought it was weird to consider teleportation as infinite speed, but I guess it does make sense.

 

[Redcated]

Hm. Yeah, makes sense actually. I think I do remember Blast intercepted Void like that, yes. I thought it was weird to consider teleportation as infinite speed, but I guess it does make sense.

Anyway the slash part is not really the main argument for infinite but the initial strike like this one

 

[NikolaTesura]

Still, Blast needs to smash his fists together to teleport, and we don't have absolute proof that he can stop time or something like that in order to smash his fists. He was a lot faster than Cosmic Fear Garou during their initial duel, so I don't think it's impossible to imagine he was fast enough to simply react to Serious Punch².

Therefore, my point still stands - Blast clearly smashed his fists after that DS was already travelling towards him.

 

[NikolaTesura]

Anyway the slash part is not really the main argument for infinite but the initial strike like this one

Oh, yeah! Wait, how is anyone arguing against this? Considering all I just said, I can't see a single reason DS wouldn't be infinite before reaching the initial target point. That wouldn't make any sense. Only if DS does not come from the edge of the universe, and instead uses a portal..? That wasn't shown in any way at all, so It really seems like a silly way to discredit it.

I am mainly arguing that it isn't infinite while travelling, just absurdly fast.

 

[Redcated]

Oh, yeah! Wait, how is anyone arguing against this? Considering all I just said, I can't see a single reason DS wouldn't be infinite before reaching the initial target point. That wouldn't make any sense. Only if DS does not come from the edge of the universe, and instead uses a portal..? That wasn't shown in any way at all, so It really seems like a silly way to discredit it.

Wait the crt after this fight ends you be surprised