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STRONGEST One-Punch Man Discussion Thread!

Swagoorago said:
give the dude infinte speed god , what more do u need u got clear cut feats unlike other series, u got factual clear statements too to back it up even more . its always funny how people just got a hate boner to downplay saitama any way they can meanwhile other mangas or whatnot get no feats whatsoever and if they do it got nothing to do with the mostly very dubious statements they get and people eat them up
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You do know I am arguing in favor of that? And most people are as well. No one has disputed this claim for the entire day. I think even yesterday no one was disputing this.

Nevermind, Golden Void literally just disputed it.
 
MrTayman616 said:
no crt until the fight ends
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I know I was saying when the fight is over who is making it but anyway The fight is basically over because saitama is right next them I’m surprised they can’t see saitama with how close he is


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Golden_Void said:
Since we see Saitama can see Void's swords, + we see Void's swords are making the attacks, this scene where there are seven simultaneous slashes makes no sense. The application of the swords contradicts any possible explanation unless he can swing out shockwave slices.
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Saitama seeing Void's swords really means nothing. We already know Saitama is the outlier here, and we have no reason to believe other characters can do the same. We don't even know how Saitama is perceiving the swords. He didn't even identify what they were before he actually pulled them to his dimension (which made them turn into normal swords again). And we, as viewers, being able to see the slashes, also means nothing, and of course I don't need to explain why.
Golden_Void said:
Since we see Saitama can see Void's swords, + we see Void's swords are making the attacks, this scene where there are seven simultaneous slashes makes no sense. The application of the swords contradicts any possible explanation unless he can swing out shockwave slices.
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Or, he can simply.. slash multiple times? We only saw the aftermath, so since the slashes are faster than anyone else (aside from Saitama) in the verse, it looked like multiple swords slashed at the same time. It is so fast they could not distinguish the amount of swords used. For characters not named Saitama, it essentially looked like those slashes happened at the same time, and that's the view we got. This is definitely not hard to believe.
Golden_Void said:
But we see Void can casually interact with space. His pulling space over himself like a blanket not only moved the amount of space visible to the eye but any/all space deeper than the surface of what we could see. Blast also observed he can only go to the higher dimension when he weaves his hand signs, which wasn't done in this case. That sounds like Higher-Dimensional Existence. That also suggests he can access higher-D abilities without needing to be in the actual higher-D space.
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He also uses genjutsus. He could've just done that and tricked Blast that way. We know almost nothing about how his genjutsus work. We saw him making it seem like Sonic got cut in half in one instance for example, while that did not actually happen:
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Golden_Void said:
As far as the speed, idk. I strongly believe that the view Void has in his ball is the actual position in space from which his attack will come, effectively skipping any distance in space and acting like a portal attack. You can see here that his localized view of space is above the clouds, and Saitama, seeing his attacks come like twinkles in the sky, implies an incoming object, not an object that literally appears throughout all of space.
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His view within the bubble does not at all mean that he is using a portal. That just means that's where he is aiming at. Saitama being able to see "twinkles" also mean nothing. It's Saitama and no one has a reason to believe that he can't react to infinite speed, so we can't use the fact that he seems to perceive the incoming attack as somehow a way to downplay said attack. That's absurd! But very funny, as the anime itself criticized people who downplay feats just because they don't believe Saitama can be that strong:
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I mean, it makes sense that it is that fast, the characters speak of it being that fast, and your evidence that it isn't is Saitama perceiving it? lol. lmao even.
Golden_Void said:
We can see here when God approaches Garou that his movements are just weird clouds to everyone else. But those clouds are literally his feet portalling out of nowhere. This also means that if his ability is like Void's, God was walking on this Earth's bubble.
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Why exactly would that mean that the Dimensional Slash works the same way? We don't even know how God interacts with reality. All we know is that Void's powers derive from God, we have no idea how like God's they actually are. Also, God was simply walking. Why would this have any relation to an offensive attack like the Dimensional Slash (not even performed by God in this case)? Not only this, do you suggest then that when God turned Garou and HE into salt, he had to create a portal in order to reach them and take their power? I mean, if he is interacting with them between dimensions, how is he doing this without opening portals, if he (and Void, according to you) need to do so in order to interact with Saitama's dimension? Do you also believe he had to look into a bubble to see them beforehand? That seems like a very, very unsupported assumption.

That panel of God walking was clearly intended to represent how much his seal weakened, and the level of influence he now could achieve on Saitama's reality, being able to create clouds that could be seen with the naked eye is very impressive, for a being that is supposedly sealed. Afterall, only HE could see God on the moon's surface, which means that for people that had no contact with God to even see the clouds, it means his influence was already a lot greater. That was the purpose of that panel, and that's quite obvious.
Golden_Void said:
There's also the fact that Saitama pulling Void back into the universe returned him and his swords to normal size as they passed that spatial boundary, instead of immediately power-slamming the whole universe. He might just have really fancy spatial manipulation, idk.
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You can't seriously believe they would take this into account. This was obviously done for funny gag purposes. Imagine if Saitama had to say: "Oh no! I need to be careful while pulling this thing otherwise the whole universe might explode! Good thing I'm pulling carefully enough to not explode everything!". Come on dude. I don't even know why you made such a weird point. What about Saitama breaking the fourth wall a few chapters back? Wasn't that "unrealistic" enough for you? Jesus.

For some reason Murata needs to take into account every single detail in regards to physics, otherwise some people act like this and refuse to believe the most obvious of feats. In the same manga in which a bald man that can blow up jupiter with a sneeze and move multiple times faster than light, but still is incapable of catching a mosquito, people somehow look at a simple gag like this and then think it's not realistic enough? Absolutely appaling.

Because One Punch Man has never, ever done things like this, right? Like when Saitama travelled back in time and delivered a punch that never happened? A ZERO PUNCH?. Or when he bathed in lava like it was a heated jacuzzi? Or breathed in space? OR FARTED SO HARD THAT HE BLITZED THE STRONGEST AVATAR OF GOD?

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Golden_Void said:
I still don't think dimension slash is immeasurable just based on this. Unless people want to suggest God is casually strolling at immeasurable speeds and generates Tier 7 KE at best (they'd be wrong)
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No one said immeasurable. And the god thing again, lol. God is walking, not even attacking. Would you walk as if you are trying to kick the floor, with all your force? Why do you believe an offensive attack like the DS would work the exact same way as God just walking? Strange reasoning.
 
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MrTayman616 said:
Blast did this via portals. not void's genjutsi
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What? Blast saved Sonic, but Void made it look like he was cut in half to catch Flashy off-guard, no? Even if not, it was stated that Void uses genjutsus, we saw that while using the cube he seemed to be able to improve upon the brainwashing, as before Void, God didn't create whole scenarios to convince his targets. He only took the form of the target's weakness.

However, when Void thrust the cube onto Flashy, we saw that he entered a genjutsu in which he was back into his childhood, in a fictional scenario in which him and Sonic escaped the village. After the real Sonic managed to get Flashy out of the genjutsu, he stated that it was Void's doing and that he could exploit one's weakness by showing things they were dependent on, or something like that. I am currently on my phone and cannot easily pull reference pages. Please search it yourself if you do not remember.

So, my point definitely still stands.

I'll be sleeping soon, so I won't be replying anymore. Good night.
 
NikolaTesura said:
What? Blast saved Sonic, but Void made it look like he was cut in half to catch Flashy off-guard, no? Even if not, it was stated that Void uses genjutsus, we saw that while using the cube he seemed to be able to improve upon the brainwashing, as before Void, God didn't create whole scenarios to convince his targets. He only took the form of the target's weakness
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Blast hides Sonic's upper body in another space via portals to fool Void. Void didn't use any genjutsu here.
Flashy flash sonic freedom dream was cube's effect rather than Void as well.

Void still has genjutsu though
 
i really hope void can like make duplicates of himself all with the same power sense he isn’t spamming dimensional slashes anymore maybe we’ll see a bunch of cool ninja techniques
 
Hi, after Bowser vs Eggman I decided to visit general discussions across the site to ask a question. How do you feel about the representation of One Punch Man in Death Battle in terms of research and charecter portrayal.
 
Snek said:
Hi, after Bowser vs Eggman I decided to visit general discussions across the site to ask a question. How do you feel about the representation of One Punch Man in Death Battle in terms of research and charecter portrayal.
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Saitama VS Popeye happened before Saitama's scale changed drastically. But for what they had at the time they did very good at analyzing him.

Similar story for Tatsumaki VS Mob. Tatsumaki gained way better scaling after the Death Battle, but it still holds up for its time.

Popeye would still win if they had the current context, anyway. He has universal scaling and plot hax stuff.

Tatsumaki would still win if they had current context as well, but by an even bigger margin.
 
AmongUsAboveUsBelow said:
I get why some might say that. Mob has had more screen time (due to being a main character), incredible aura and an uncertain ??? mode people grew attached to. But if we were to put those imbalances and biases aside, it's pretty clear Tatsumaki takes it.
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Nah according to ONE they are to close to tell
 
Phoenks said:
Saitama VS Popeye happened before Saitama's scale changed drastically. But for what they had at the time they did very good at analyzing him.

Similar story for Tatsumaki VS Mob. Tatsumaki gained way better scaling after the Death Battle, but it still holds up for its time.

Popeye would still win if they had the current context, anyway. He has universal scaling and plot hax stuff.

Tatsumaki would still win if they had current context as well, but by an even bigger margin.
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So overall you'd say the series is portrayed well I assume. Well thanks for the response.
 
NikolaTesura said:
Saitama seeing Void's swords really means nothing. We already know Saitama is the outlier here, and we have no reason to believe other characters can do the same. We don't even know how Saitama is perceiving the swords. He didn't even identify what they were before he actually pulled them to his dimension (which made them turn into normal swords again). And we, as viewers, being able to see the slashes, also means nothing, and of course I don't need to explain why.
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NikolaTesura said:
Or, he can simply.. slash multiple times? We only saw the aftermath, so since the slashes are faster than anyone else (aside from Saitama) in the verse, it looked like multiple swords slashed at the same time. It is so fast they could not distinguish the amount of swords used. For characters not named Saitama, it essentially looked like those slashes happened at the same time, and that's the view we got. This is definitely not hard to believe.
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We see every time after those multiple slices that Void consistently does 1 or 2 slashes, which is consistent with his number of swords. Unless he has a hidden technique, it doesn't make sense that he can do 7 slashes at once, considering his slashes are consecutive and not concurrent. This isn't a main point, just something worth noting. The issue isn't about Saitama seeing it; it's about it being depicted as a twinkling star, which shows it is an incoming object right from the level Void sees from his perspective.
NikolaTesura said:
He also uses genjutsus. He could've just done that and tricked Blast that way. We know almost nothing about how his genjutsus work. We saw him making it seem like Sonic got cut in half in one instance for example, while that did not actually happen:
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So you're arguing that Void didn't grab space like an actual object but used genjutsu...while being heard throughout the depths of space?
NikolaTesura said:
His view within the bubble does not at all mean that he is using a portal. That just means that's where he is aiming at. Saitama being able to see "twinkles" also mean nothing. It's Saitama and no one has a reason to believe that he can't react to infinite speed, so we can't use the fact that he seems to perceive the incoming attack as somehow a way to downplay said attack. That's absurd! But very funny, as the anime itself criticized people who downplay feats just because they don't believe Saitama can be that strong:
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I mean, it makes sense that it is that fast, the characters speak of it being that fast, and your evidence that it isn't is Saitama perceiving it? lol. lmao even.
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I said his view in the bubble is where his attack begins in space, not that his attack comes from the opposite end of the infinite universe to appear there. Now, is there a twinkle drawn in the sky because Saitama can see it coming, or can he see the attack coming because there's a twinkle in the sky? Mind you, the trio fighting Void can already sense the attack coming before it lands, and Blast's method of teleportation is not instantaneous.
NikolaTesura said:
Why exactly would that mean that the Dimensional Slash works the same way? We don't even know how God interacts with reality. All we know is that Void's powers derive from God, we have no idea how like God's they actually are. Also, God was simply walking. Why would this have any relation to an offensive attack like the Dimensional Slash (not even performed by God in this case)? Not only this, do you suggest then that when God turned Garou and HE into salt, he had to create a portal in order to reach them and take their power? I mean, if he is interacting with them between dimensions, how is he doing this without opening portals, if he (and Void, according to you) need to do so in order to interact with Saitama's dimension? Do you also believe he had to look into a bubble to see them beforehand? That seems like a very, very unsupported assumption.
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Why wouldn't we assume Void's powers match the being he got it from? Blast even states that God gave Void his abilities, and that dimension is where God is located. Also, why are you comparing an attack to God walking when they both interact with regular space on a fundamental scale? It doesn't matter what the action is.

There's no evidence God physically interacts with those he gives power to. The cubes allow victims to communicate with God and receive his power. God showed no evidence of physical interaction with Garou, even if it seemed like he showed up in person to give him his powers. Since God can bestow powers through cubes without being physically present, it is also a fair assumption that he can take his energy back without being physically present, which is consistent.
NikolaTesura said:
That panel of God walking was clearly intended to represent how much his seal weakened, and the level of influence he now could achieve on Saitama's reality, being able to create clouds that could be seen with the naked eye is very impressive, for a being that is supposedly sealed. Afterall, only HE could see God on the moon's surface, which means that for people that had no contact with God to even see the clouds, it means his influence was already a lot greater. That was the purpose of that panel, and that's quite obvious.
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Irrelevant.
NikolaTesura said:
You can't seriously believe they would take this into account. This was obviously done for funny gag purposes. Imagine if Saitama had to say: "Oh no! I need to be careful while pulling this thing otherwise the whole universe might explode! Good thing I'm pulling carefully enough to not explode everything!". Come on dude. I don't even know why you made such a weird point. What about Saitama breaking the fourth wall a few chapters back? Wasn't that "unrealistic" enough for you? Jesus.

For some reason Murata needs to take into account every single detail in regards to physics, otherwise some people act like this and refuse to believe the most obvious of feats. In the same manga in which a bald man that can blow up jupiter with a sneeze and move multiple times faster than light, but still is incapable of catching a mosquito, people somehow look at a simple gag like this and then think it's not realistic enough? Absolutely appaling.

Because One Punch Man has never, ever done things like this, right? Like when Saitama travelled back in time and delivered a punch that never happened? A ZERO PUNCH?. Or when he bathed in lava like it was a heated jacuzzi? Or breathed in space? OR FARTED SO HARD THAT HE BLITZED THE STRONGEST AVATAR OF GOD?
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You sound unhinged, relax. Saitama can grab blades nobody else can touch or see (since they supposedly ignore space), even the dude with literal space/dimension powers. Obviously, Void in hyperspace is variable in size compared to being a much smaller size in the real universe. His sword downsizes based on the local view of his target, which is visible on the sphere.

Obviously, Void is connected to both dimensions while attacking, which is why Saitama could pull him out of God's dimension by dragging the part of him physically present in the real universe. Gag or not, that's spatial manipulation/NPI. He can already kick hyperspace gates.
NikolaTesura said:
No one said immeasurable.
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Plenty of people did; there are literally several pages of it.
NikolaTesura said:
And the god thing again, lol. God is walking, not even attacking. Would you walk as if you are trying to kick the floor, with all your force? Why do you believe an offensive attack like the DS would work the exact same way as God just walking? Strange reasoning.
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"Interference from the dimension God is located ignores distance, energy, and size."

People are arguing Void getting a speed upgrade because of the mechanics of God's dimension and his powers, not how fast he swung his sword on the projection sphere.
 
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darkphantom9805 said:
I wonder why they stopped especially when people should have a billion more questions with all this god lore
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I assumed they dealt w/too many of people like us. "Could Saitama beat __________?" On and on and on and on and...

Another note, if I read/interpreted that section of the tiers right and the swords get accepted as being/doing 5-D damage, we might have a Low 1-C feat.

Awaiting the Comments... :oops:
 
Sword does not do 4-D or 5-D damage. That's ridiculous nonsense. Anyone can see the swords "damage" is visually nothing more than 3-D, and like tier 6, at that. 4-D damage would be destroying a universe. 5-D damage would be destroying that entire Hyperspace dimension. He has done nothing of the sort.

However, it undeniably is smurf hax. Literally verbatim stated by Blast. Nobody should be in disagreement with that. Whether or not it is 4-D or 5-D is the argument. 4-D seems the safer end, but I've talked to Ultima off-site and he seems to think 5-D holds some weight too.

4-D, possibly 5-D could be the answer. Only scales to the potency of the spatial hax, and Saitama's NPI.

Other things are very debatable.

Immeasurable lifting strength is undeniable if you believe Void is literally 4-D/5-D in that dimension.

Immeasurable speed could be the case if you think his blade cuts through space-time.

For those saying that "it can't be infinite/immeasurable because we see it move" that doesn't exactly apply to the initial attack.

When Saitama looks up to catch the second dimension blade, we see it coming down to strike him from somewhere above. Depending on where that is and how that happens could grant a speed rating.

If you think it is like a portal, then you just calculate where the portal is and how far the blade travelled from there.

If you think the blade just simply cuts through space-time to enter the universe, then it could be infinite or immeasurable speed.

I have had the discussions off site and I still don't really know what makes the most sense.
 
I still don't understand why some people bringing 'portal' to Void's attack where the manga itself didn't mention nor shown it.

The attack appear instanteous, the description said it's ignore distance, both Flash and Sonic shown didn't react until the effect of the said attack apprared on the surface. Which only Blast seemingly aware of it before reaching Earth's surface.

All in all, the DS works similariy with Teleportation, which scale Saitama and Blast's reaction speed.
 
I haven't seen anyone mentioning this but considering how limiters were placed by God and how Saitama caught the attention of God because he broke it, there is a decent possibility that limiters are higher dimensional hax as well. That means:

1) God can nullify the powers of higher dimensional characters.

2) Saitama and Garou can copy tier 2 stuff.

I hope we get an actual confirmation.
 
AmongUsAboveUsBelow said:
Read the comment left behind by billogdaeggog9071 underneath that video. Curious to know what you think of it.
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I saw the comment. He at least has more sense than the person making the video but I don't agree with his Saitama scaling at all.

Saitama just has broken, higher-dimensional interaction stuff.
 
Had a realization that the statement about "this is outside the causality of the universe" could refer to the entirety of the MWI OPM seems to have.

Directly before this it states that new worlds burst forth like foam with every possibility. Possibility is potentially synonymous with causality here, since cause and effect is what leads to these new possibilities in the first place.

More supporting evidence for 5-D if "causality" is in fact the entirety of the 2-A structure.
 
Phoenks said:
Had a realization that the statement about "this is outside the causality of the universe" could refer to the entirety of the MWI OPM seems to have.

Directly before this it states that new worlds burst forth like foam with every possibility. Possibility is potentially synonymous with causality here, since cause and effect is what leads to these new possibilities in the first place.

More supporting evidence for 5-D if "causality" is in fact the entirety of the 2-A structure.
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Tbh, I nudged you towards that comment specifically because it brings up MWI since I didn't see it mentioned very often. Agree with everything else you wrote in your previous comment btw. Both sides were stretching it and I couldn't really take it seriously.
 
Manga itself clearly debunks the distance ignoring part. It's from the context that he can attack any part of the world from outside universe. But it clearly travels takes time after entering universe.

FF dodging it on first try also indicates that.

Saitama is not interacting with higher dimensional slash. He still interacted with 3d slash. Higher dimensional part is that the attack comes from higher dimension. It would just be resistance to spatial manipulation. That still good feat.
Well I'm more curious if the slash is extension of blade or projectile
 
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