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DEATH BATTLE! Discussion Thread (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)

The fact you didnt even reply properly on those means you cant argue anything against them
Uhh, no, I didn't reply because there was nothing there to reply to. You didn't bring up any counter arguement for my point on how characters can scale above what the story hypes them up to be, you brought Kai not having filler when it blatantly does and still includes things like Kid Buu being the strongest Buu, and then you made some random comparisons that's not at all alike to what we've been discussing.
 
Do you seriously not know that Goku with just Blue is stronger than he was with KKx10 in his rematch with Hit? That's some of the most basic Super scaling.
First of all im aware goku gets stronger over the series, its irrelevant in regards to Hit whom by the tournament of power was surpassed by most, even sparking zero what if story had Frieza beat Hit in ToP
Even worse, do you think Goku didn't get 10x stronger from U6 to the end of ToP?
Nowhere i claimed that, you just make up things and then associate them on me out of your mind
Do you think he just suddenly can't use Kaioken despite doing so onscreen with higher multipliers than x10?
Only time he ever did since then was in goku black saga, then a bunch of times with Jiren
I genuinely can't take anything you say seriously now if you are trying to argue what I think you are arguing.
I cant take you seriously by thinking the cast is immeasurable by one feat vs several instances, once again supersonic verses are FTL by one feat only yes or no? Following your logic you got over here
 
First of all im aware goku gets stronger over the series, its irrelevant in regards to Hit whom by the tournament of power was surpassed by most, even sparking zero what if story had Frieza beat Hit in ToP

Nowhere i claimed that, you just make up things and then associate them on me out of your mind

Only time he ever did since then was in goku black saga, then a bunch of times with Jiren

I cant take you seriously by thinking the cast is immeasurable by one feat vs several instances, once again supersonic verses are FTL by one feat only yes or no? Following your logic you got over here
Did you just use unironically use Sparking Zero as an arguement?
 
This gaslighting is what either Bowser or Eggman needs to win their upcoming fights by how much you give
I'm not gaslighting, you are just genuinely making nonsensical arguements and being snide about it.

I'm going to stop replying so we stop clogging up the thread. If you want to keep arguing about this go to the Dragon Ball discussion thread.
 
People have tried to argue the shockwaves to those speeds. Stupid site standards prevented those arguments from going through.
Proof of these, if i see the link to such a thing, you have a point, till then no
Whis being inconsistent with what he says his top speed is doesn't suddenly mean he didn't perform those feats. That's a ridiculous arguement.
He has clear limits how fast he can go, the ones i mentioned arent to be brushed off just cuz you wanna believe in this agenda, even if that is true, its travel speed, not reaction or combat which dragon ball differentiate
Jiren was holding back massively throughout 99% of the tournament. He didn't actually use his full power until episode 129. So him mildly struggling, struggling less than he did UI Goku mind you, isn't at all a counter arguement.
Being casual means he didnt try ever till he clearly shown in that episode you pointed, he wasnt as casual to literally all, Hit fight he clearly put effort to break out, unlike the headcanon he was being Saitama in all of it except near end
People have been trying to make immeasurable speed a thing for DBS forever, and changing standards and loose assertions of outliers have made it near impossible. Hell the supporters just had a general discussion thread going over the arguements against immeasurable speed being an outlier.
Proof as above said or its just yapping
 
Proof of these, if i see the link to such a thing, you have a point, till then no

He has clear limits how fast he can go, the ones i mentioned arent to be brushed off just cuz you wanna believe in this agenda, even if that is true, its travel speed, not reaction or combat which dragon ball differentiate

Being casual means he didnt try ever till he clearly shown in that episode you pointed, he wasnt as casual to literally all, Hit fight he clearly put effort to break out, unlike the headcanon he was being Saitama in all of it except near end

Proof as above said or its just yapping
Dude I'm done slogging through your arguements and insults. Stop clogging the thread and drop it.
 
Uhh, no, I didn't reply because there was nothing there to reply to. You didn't bring up any counter arguement for my point on how characters can scale above what the story hypes them up to be, you brought Kai not having filler when it blatantly does and still includes things like Kid Buu being the strongest Buu, and then you made some random comparisons that's not at all alike to what we've been discussing.
Yeah sure, you got nothing to counter, stop with these excuses, i have been a part of the vs community since 2015, you think i never seen those arguing like you before across internet? You got no arguments on those simple as that
 
I'm not gaslighting, you are just genuinely making nonsensical arguements and being snide about it.

I'm going to stop replying so we stop clogging up the thread. If you want to keep arguing about this go to the Dragon Ball discussion thread.
Im good, i aint involving myself with their fans or group, its a pain to debate DB
 
Yeah sure, you got nothing to counter, stop with these excuses, i have been a part of the vs community since 2015, you think i never seen those arguing like you before across internet? You got no arguments on those simple as that
I could counter them, as I've done with literally every single one of your other points, but you'd just respond with more nonsense stonewall and it'd never end. I'll just cut my losses and decide arguing with someone who tried to use a Sparking Zero what-if as an arguement is a waste of time.
Im good, i aint involving myself with their fans or group, its a pain to debate DB
Good, then you agree to stop talking about it.
 
What even is or isn't an outlier? Is there any agreed upon standard?
There is none because it's really impossible to be. Even calling it an "outlier" is more of a misnomer because it's not like statistics just ignores outliers as if they never happened with no explanation, they are either accepted as something that happened, but not a representative of the "average" population, a mistake that was wrongly input, or something that is not a part of what you want to measure, but is there nevertheless.

The notion that you can just ignore something that happened without any care about it as an "outlier" is one of the many things VS Debating took from science that if you were to apply to science, you would be laughed at. (Like, one of the many things you do with outliers is try to explain how it happened, how it ended up on your sample to begin it, and find a source for it, while here Outliers just exist to be ignored as if they never existed).

So it's just a Vs Debating term that exists on the many "anyone has a different definition of what is and what counts" states like a tiering system.
 
When's the Final Fantasy and Legend of Zelda film adaptations damn
For FF, there's Advent Children and Kingslaive. Advent Children's visuals and animation certainly left its mark in people's minds (like 90% of Sephiroth's trailer in Smash were Advent Children iconic scenes and memes). I think Square Enix is also cautios with movies after what happened with Spirits Within.

Regarding Zelda, isn't a Live Action one on the works?
 
I could counter them, as I've done with literally every single one of your other points
Except you didnt as you claim, stop the gaslighting to yourself
but you'd just respond with more nonsense stonewall and it'd never end.
Says you? Imagine arguing immeasurable dragon ball, still no answer to my question, further shows you argue on DB only out of sheer bias and favoritism lol
I'll just cut my losses and decide arguing with someone who tried to use a Sparking Zero what-if as an arguement is a waste of time.
Sparking Zero tells the same story as the canon, with some what if timelines being existent from choices you make to alter it, so this argument to slander me over is lame from you and desperate
Good, then you agree to stop talking about it.
I agree you cant debate as you claim it, if you wanna stop talking over it, be my guests, cuz i have other things to do tjen waste my time with you anymore
 
Except you didnt as you claim, stop the gaslighting to yourself

Says you? Imagine arguing immeasurable dragon ball, still no answer to my question, further shows you argue on DB only out of sheer bias and favoritism lol

Sparking Zero tells the same story as the canon, with some what if timelines being existent from choices you make to alter it, so this argument to slander me over is lame from you and desperate

I agree you cant debate as you claim it, if you wanna stop talking over it, be my guests, cuz i have other things to do tjen waste my time with you anymore
Sparking Zero or it's what-ifs aren't canon lmao

You can't be an ass for no reason and also have bad arguements, but yeah, happy to finally stop wasting time arguing with a brick wall.
 
The notion that you can just ignore something that happened without any care about it as an "outlier" is one of the many things VS Debating took from science that if you were to apply to science, you would be laughed at. (Like, one of the many things you do with outliers is try to explain how it happened, how it ended up on your sample to begin it, and find a source for it, while here Outliers just exist to be ignored as if they never existed).
I mean, reality has the advantage of being, ya' know, real. Even errors are things that really exist. The faulty lab equipment, miscalculations, and artefacts you didn't account for are all real things that can be tracked down.

In fiction though, when a writer or artist shows a character blowing up a planet with a punch in one panel, then shows them getting knocked out by tripping at another point, that's not real. There's nothing that can rectify the contradiction, no unifying interpretation of the story's reality that accounts for all the seeming problems. At a certain point, especially with large, fantastic, long-running stories, you have to simply choose one interpretation and run with it.

Point is, you need a unifying standard of interpretation. The point of all this is to debate who wins in a fight, but we need a discrete vision of what the characters are like, and are capable of in order to do that, and in order to get such a vision, we need one standard of interpretation for fantasy fiction power-scaling which, even if doesn't give strictly "true" results (whatever that may mean in a fiction context), does give "fair" ones.

That's why we need a concept for "outliers" that has no real connection to reality.
 


God, I really have high hopes that this episode will be an absolute banger. And I don't mind Bowser winning, because as long as it's through logical reasons and everything else slaps hard then I'll be happy.

Okay, just for the hell of it, what would be the most upsetting arguments that they could bring up to make either Eggman or Bowser lose? Stuff like the super lava or the raddish.
 
In fairness: Dyspo is a character who's so quick that not even Zeno, a character who's attacks can destroy the cosmology in mere moments and could perceive Goku's fight with Hit, can keep track of his speed.

Now that's not me saying Dyspo is faster than GoDs or Angels obviously, but what I'm saying is that Dyspo's speed is nothing to scoff at.
Well you can argue that some characters are faster than arale but this site doesn't do that.
 
Okay, just for the hell of it, what would be the most upsetting arguments that they could bring up to make either Eggman or Bowser lose? Stuff like the super lava or the raddish.
An easy answer: I'd be extremely pissed if they limited Eggman to Universal while Bowser gets Multiversal scaling.

The Time Eater has its own multiversal scaling and Eggman has a few mechs and power ups to contend with Post 06 Super Sonic. Bare minimum, Bowser and Eggman should be in the same tier regardless if they want to say Bowser is more powerful in said tier.
 
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