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DEATH BATTLE! Discussion Thread (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)
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ZeNoviceArtist
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What is the currently 4th (about to be 5th) longest ep rn?
XSOULOFCINDERX
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Fourth longest episode ever?
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The current 4th longest episode is Darkseid VS Thanos at 26:43
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Damn so we getting a almost 30 minute episode
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Longest Fights
Son Gokū vs Superman - 10:29
Iron Man vs Lex Luthor - 6:59
Solid Snake vs Sam Fisher - 6:40
Dante vs Bayonetta - 6:39
Hercules Satan vs Dan Hibiki - 6:37
Terminator vs Robocop - 6:36
Deadpool vs Deathstroke - 6:34
Godzilla vs Gamera - 6:34
Winter Soldier vs Red Hood - 6:32
Thanos vs Darkseid - 6:25
Kirby vs Majin Buu - 6:00
Bowser and Eggman's previous battles
Eggman VS Wily - 5:07
Bowser VS Ganon - 3:52
Son Gokū vs Superman - 10:29
Iron Man vs Lex Luthor - 6:59
Solid Snake vs Sam Fisher - 6:40
Dante vs Bayonetta - 6:39
Hercules Satan vs Dan Hibiki - 6:37
Terminator vs Robocop - 6:36
Deadpool vs Deathstroke - 6:34
Godzilla vs Gamera - 6:34
Winter Soldier vs Red Hood - 6:32
Thanos vs Darkseid - 6:25
Kirby vs Majin Buu - 6:00
Bowser and Eggman's previous battles
Eggman VS Wily - 5:07
Bowser VS Ganon - 3:52
0ホルスファルコン将軍0
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If the animation breaks the legendary 6 minute mark, I will offer my firstborn son as a blood sacrifice to Ben Singer himself.
0ホルスファルコン将軍0
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The Death Battle Wiki is an amazing source, ain’t it?
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Its funny how Omniman if he receives the attack after the clash, he just tanks them and is more annoyed
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Bruh, you should see ghost face’s animation, bro just ******* flops over
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I saw and a tiktok on that
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I have imagined a scenario where Bowser manages to kill Eggman, but Sage survives and manages to use Time Stones to revert the kill.
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Is anyone still genuinely kind of frustrated about Omni-dock?
Like have they ever been this objectively wrong before?
Like have they ever been this objectively wrong before?
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I dont want to think about it lol
Its pretty much MvS2, SasukeHiei & maybe even YangTifa levels of fuckery. If Bowser wins, Im expecting as bad arguments as those have ngl.
Its pretty much MvS2, SasukeHiei & maybe even YangTifa levels of fuckery. If Bowser wins, Im expecting as bad arguments as those have ngl.
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From the horrifically inflated sun-disc calc, to using the sun disk as a feat at all, the scaling Nolan to the full viltrum bust based on the worst reasoning imaginable, then to them cherry picking the low ends of Bardock's feats, including for some reason not scaling Bardock to Toei's Planet Vegeta destruction calc and instead to the DBS Broly one, even though that wasn't the one that sent Bardock back in time to get Super Saiyan to begin with.
Super Saiyan has this super massive stamina drain, please ignore Goku being able to maintain it during a heart attack.
The ship that fired the beam that broke the sun disk scales to its AP because it can handle the recoil, please ignore lasers having no mass therefore no recoil.
And to top it all off, Speedy includes this condescending finger wag at Dragon Ball fans in his shit show of an explanation about anti-feats and how Dragon Ball fans don't know how good they got it because they ignore things like 'King Piccolo struggling to blow up a city'.
HE DIDN'T STRUGGLE TO BLOW UP A FCKING CITY HE WAS LITERALLY JUST DOING IT TO SHOW OFF JESUS CHRIST
And it's not like the QnA did anything other than go 'scaling is like, subjective man', ignoring any real criticism or points.
They came back crowd funded only to immediately destroy a ton of good faith.
Super Saiyan has this super massive stamina drain, please ignore Goku being able to maintain it during a heart attack.
The ship that fired the beam that broke the sun disk scales to its AP because it can handle the recoil, please ignore lasers having no mass therefore no recoil.
And to top it all off, Speedy includes this condescending finger wag at Dragon Ball fans in his shit show of an explanation about anti-feats and how Dragon Ball fans don't know how good they got it because they ignore things like 'King Piccolo struggling to blow up a city'.
HE DIDN'T STRUGGLE TO BLOW UP A FCKING CITY HE WAS LITERALLY JUST DOING IT TO SHOW OFF JESUS CHRIST
And it's not like the QnA did anything other than go 'scaling is like, subjective man', ignoring any real criticism or points.
They came back crowd funded only to immediately destroy a ton of good faith.
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King Piccolo took like 5-15 seconds to charge that City destroying blast. Youd have to count that as a struggle. And then he says right after that he could destroy the world if he wanted :V
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You. Me. Behind the CVS in five minutes.
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yea I literally don't think there is a single person that thinks this one was "right" in any regard, the last time I think they ****** up this bad was with Yang vs Tifa
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Entirely unrelated to anything (and I'm sorry to bring up the Vic stuff again, I am thinking of making a video or article about my takes on the matter), but I recently learned that Chuck Huber (the 'impartial party' in the case) is actually the one you have to thank for 'I've been playing human'.
So... that's your cursed fun fact for the day.
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Ultraguy's argument for Bowser winning were literally my doomer arguments (Bowser just haxes all of Eggman's army, Metal is irrelevant, Sage gets BFR, Goomba is stronger than Eggman's army, etc) except WORSE, somehow (Eggman is stupid because Starline said so, Wonder Flower is better than Ruby because it's "real" reality warping), so yeah. Completely agreed, we are getting Mario vs Sonic 2 tier arguments.
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Mfw warping reality isn’t reality warping
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This is the thumbnail they'll be using for the video itself. It's not bad, but I think Bowser and Eggman have significantly better pieces of art which they could've used.
Also I get that Sonic hasn't had the best track record in terms of research on Death Battle, but I think some of y'all are acting WAY too pessimistic before the episode actually airs. I mean Eggman's preview already has snippets of better scaling and research compared to every other episode involving Game Sonic. And with the length of the episode being as long as it is, I have confidence that the research for Eggman will be pretty good.
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Everything I said has been straight from Ultraguy's mouth, and him and Akuma (who couldn't even believe FTL Base Sonic in 2021) are the main researchers for this fight according to the very link you posted. Is it truly pessimism if it's just reality?
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Perhaps, but I've seen DB's stance on Game Sonic scaling change a lot over the years so I don't want to act all doom and gloom.
If the episode does end up having terrible research for Eggman then at that point, you can rightfully call out DB as much as you wish. But who knows? Maybe we'll all end up being pleasantly surprised by how they'll handle things in this episode, especially when it's shaping up to be one of their best.
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As hilarious as that'd be, nahh. They'll probably have relative AP (I hope)
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Keyword: "years". What I am saying happened last year, mere months before research began. There's nothing indicating it changed except optimism Death Battle doesn't deserve.
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I doubt it. I have a guy inside the discord server who said that the CRT that got Sonic that high was torn apart and laughed out the room by tons of people. It could've been in a private chat or something but he says 2A to maybe L1C is as high as Sonic gets in the server, which I agree with, but that doesn't make Ultraguy's argumentation for Bowser winning any better.
Have no idea about Boswer scaling tho
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Like I'm trying to steelman the arguement in my head and it still doesn't make any sense lmao
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Fair enough, I suppose. But if what you say is true and Ultraguy said all of this months before research began, then who's to say that his opinions remained the same? He probably thinks Bowser still wins, but it's a lot closer than he was expecting.
My stance on the matter is that if the research is terrible for both Eggman and Bowser, then you or anyone else can call them out on it and debunk any faulty arguments they might use. But just wait till the episode is actually out by tomorrow, again they might surprise us in a pleasant way. Eggman might even win, you never know.
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Death Battle will never ever put Sonic at 1-C lmao (probably because 6-D only really exists because of the concept of hypertimelines here). Anyways, Death Battle each time has surpassed my pessimism, so in actually I haven't been doomer enough, actually. The reasoning for Bowser winning could even be WORSE than the one from a year ago, too.
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I mean outside a few delusional stans majority don't think it was right by any real metric
There a reason why folks be just saying "mini rumble version" got it right on there comment section tho the fight was made before the DB because the research was that bad for it
It's bad yes and most who not trying so hard to defend a bad reasoning are annoyed but we'll live until something else comes in and takes the stage
Like Bowser vs Eggman
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Okay, small physics lesson here. Lasers are massless, but they do have momentum, so they do actually have recoil. It's just an absolutely miniscule amount of recoil in relative terms, just about 1 Newton (0.2248lbs) per 300Megawatts. So, if the laser did, as they say, produce 8641.8 Quettatons of energy in a quarter of a second, that would produce about 5.037×10^35 Newtons of recoil.
This is actually one of those things that Star Wars tech nerds would debate back in the day, why doesn't the Death Star go flying back when it uses its superlaser? My personal favorite theory is that the superlaser also acts as a sort of tether that prevents momentum being exchanged between the Death Star and the planet, but even that isn't without problems.
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Looks like OST is called "Game Over".
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Problem is, the most wanked correct calc I've seen puts the actual sun disk AP at sub 200 quettatons, so the issue would just fall back to the laser being horrifically wanked. If you believe Omni Man can scale to it, fine, but its not getting anywhere near where Bardock can get
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Oh, yeah, no. Absolutely.
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I can still easily get Bardock past their wanked figures too. Scale him in base to Vegeta casually pointing away the planet and moon, which can get to 250 quettatons, multiply that by 50x for 12k quettatons, or use the near solar system level calcs for toei's planet vegeta bust.
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