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DEATH BATTLE! Discussion Thread (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)

Bigdongus said:
A lot of it feels like just shoving two things that are popular at the time together. Remember when zoomers discovered Blood Miridian and just became obsessed with Judge Holden? DBM was flooded by Judge Holden matchups. Almost entirely by kids who haven’t even read blood miridian
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We zoomers don't read, only see.
 
The_Unknown_Warrior1 said:
I appreciate your optimism. But when one of the head researchers of Death Battle argued months ago that Bowser beats Eggman? You're essentially fighting an uphill battle from there.

Still, I can potentially see a Eggman W through hax and comparable stats. But the general consensus is that Bowser's going to take the W here, it's just meant to be.
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It's not a given that Bowser wins because there are several researchers, and he or she must persuade Ben and Chad that character A is superior than character B. And we all thought Omni-Man would get stomped to the moon and back and look what happened there?
 
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Tipper17 said:
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I really, really, really want to see Q vs Sheogorath.

Bluey & Bingo vs Calvin & Hobbes: I think they're sort of right. IDK if Bluey & Bingo have any actual feats. Probably good ones in imagination, which makes it thematic. Calvin & Hobbes are at least Tier 9 without Imagination, though, IIRC.
That said, Calvin & Hobbes are a bit more mature than they give 'em credit for. Both are all-ages, & Bluey is made more kiddish, but C&H feels made for older audiences, with its political & philosophical sides showing often. It's also a little grittier with its fantasies of dinosaurs, grotesque aliens, robots, etc. Leans more into sci-fi, I think. Surprising they call it "wrong demographic". Maybe we need another DB-like show/channel to do what they can't?

Hooty vs Zoidberg would be funny. I'm not sure how much Hooty has, though.

For Sonic Forces Rookie vs Lego Supervillains Rookie: What do they mean can't use individual OCs?
DB, bruh. Just make your own OC & use footage of that when needed. What's the problem?

They had better not be thinking Bakugo stomps Squidward.
 
Tipper17 said:
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Heart Virus Goku vs Slow Down Boots Sonic (Dragon Ball vs Sonic Labyrinth): They think it's funny. Someone mentions that 1/2 of infinity is still infinity when referring to Sonic, and someone else mentions that no one gets sick anymore in Dragon Ball, except in that one filler Super episode.
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Wait a minute.....
 
Bowser Jr: Can use the paint he used in Super Mario Sunshine to inflict effects such as Matter and Disease manipulation

Kamek: Can use his transmuation to make Eggman's army useless and has magic powerful enough to create storms and nulify the enemies powers

King Bob-Omb:
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I just realized Death Battle has opened their revival with potentially 3 controversial episodes in a row lol. Bardock vs Omni-Man shouldn’t have been controversial but we all saw what happened there, Joker vs Giorno is a case of whose BS abilities you believe more, and Bowser vs Eggman has been such a debateable match that people will be arguing about it no matter who wins.
 
Accelerated_Evolution said:
Bowser Jr: Can use the paint he used in Super Mario Sunshine to inflict effects such as Matter and Disease manipulation

Kamek: Can use his transmuation to make Eggman's army useless and has magic powerful enough to create storms and nulify the enemies powers

King Bob-Omb:
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Honestly, Bob-ombs are even funnier, considering Paper Mario.

Every Bob-omb variant, including the unaffiliated Bulky Bob-ombs, & Bob-ulks, when hit with ANYTHING Fire, Electricity & Explosions, will themselves, explode.

A curious example is how Bombette in PM64 will get "injured" like other partners if she takes damage (They're normally not directly attackable in PM64.), but she explodes when doing so, at least in some circumstances, IIRC. I forget if that's the case for like, Body Slamming a forward-speared Spear Guy or just Body Slamming a Lava Bubble or such.

But unlike other Bob-ombs (Some friendlies who escaped Koopa Village who could do explosions & survive just fine for celebrations.), other Bob-ombs will straight up die/disappear entirely when they explode.

Where this gets silly is Duplighosts:

If a Duplighost turns into a copy of Bombette & Watt uses Mega Shock, a non-damaging, non-contact move that can MAYBE inflict Paralysis, likely even if you don't do the Action Command, all the Bombette-copy-Duplighosts WILL explode.

& again, they explode to ANYTHING Fire, Electric or Explosive.

So Bombette can survive exploding, but copies of her CAN'T. Are PM64 Duplighosts just really bad, lol?
Admiral Bobbery (& Doopliss, when copying him.) doesn't have this vulnerability strangely.

I can't remember if regular Bob-ombs exploding can cause a chain reaction of others exploding.

It's even sillier with Bulky Bob-ombs/Bob-ulks, which spend like 3 or 4 turns applying buffs to themselves (& 1 just lighting their fuse & starting to run around in a panic.), but who's explosions are AoE enough to affect the whole battlefield.
They'll do this waste of time no matter what, even if they have the burn status, which will deal 1 Fire damage to the Bulky Bob-omb/Bob-ulk at the end of its turn, causing it to explode early.
Which they means set each other off. Luckily, their base attack is 2, but still.

It means if you decide to like, First Strike a Bob-ulk with Bobbery's Field Move, it'll detonate the first Bulky Bob-omb or Bob-ulk... which will make all the others explode, too, all before even the first turn has started, let alone finished!
Again, only 2 base attack, but since they're often in groups of 3 or 4. (Plus, I think Bob-ulks are stronger.) Enjoy the fireworks! (& pain.)

Notably, that reminds me of a fodder feat: Bulky Bob-ombs in the audience can explode (Which has a live seat count & can hold up to 200.), which, IIRC "blows away" all the other audience members, which can include Shy Guys, Toads, Luigi, Punis, Dull Bones, Pirhana Plant, etc.
With the AoE & mass of the audience members sent flying it might be good. Potentially higher if they're destroyed.
 
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Imaginym said:
Honestly, Bob-ombs are even funnier, considering Paper Mario.

Every Bob-omb variant, including the unaffiliated Bulky Bob-ombs, & Bob-ulks, when hit with ANYTHING Fire, Electricity & Explosions, will themselves, explode.

A curious example is how Bombette in PM64 will get "injured" like other partners if she takes damage (They're normally not directly attackable in PM64.), but she explodes when doing so, at least in some circumstances, IIRC. I forget if that's the case for like, Body Slamming a forward-speared Spear Guy or just Body Slamming a Lava Bubble or such.

But unlike other Bob-ombs (Some friendlies who escaped Koopa Village who could do explosions & survive just fine for celebration.), other Bob-ombs will straight up die/disappear entirely when they explode.

Where this gets silly is Duplighosts:

If a Duplighost turns into a copy of Bombette & Watt uses Mega Shock, a non-damaging, non-contact move that can MAYBE inflict Paralysis, likely even if you don't do the Action Command, all the Bombette-copy-Duplighosts WILL explode.

& again, they explode to ANYTHING Fire, Electric or Explosive.

So Bombette can survive exploding, but copies of her CAN'T. Are PM64 Duplighosts just really bad, lol?
Admiral Bobbery (& Doopliss, when copying him.) doesn't have this vulnerability strangely.

I can't remember if regular Bob-ombs exploding can cause a chain reaction of others exploding.

It's even sillier with Bulky Bob-ombs/Bob-ulks, which spend like 3 or 4 turns applying buffs to themselves (& 1 just lighting their fuse & starting to run around in a panic.), but who's explosions are AoE enough to affect the whole battlefield.
They'll do this waste of time no matter what, even if they have the burn status, which will deal 1 Fire damage to the Bulky Bob-omb/Bob-ulk at the end of its turn, causing it to explode early.
Which they means set each other off. Luckily, their base attack is 2, but still.

It means if you decide to like, First Strike a Bob-ulk with Bobbery's Field Move, it'll detonate the first Bulky Bob-omb or Bob-ulk... which will make all the others explode, too, all before even the first turn has finished!
Again, only 2 base attack, but since they're often in groups of 3 or 4. (Plus, I think Bob-ulks are stronger.) Enjoy the fireworks! (& pain.)

Notably, that reminds me of a fodder feat: Bulky Bob-ombs in the audience can explode (Which has a live seat count & can hold up to 200.), which, IIRC "blows away" all the other audience members, which can include Shy Guys, Toads, Luigi, Punis, Dull Bones, Pirhana Plant, etc.
With the AoE & mass of the audience members sent flying it might be good. Potentially higher if they're destroyed.
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Anyway, point is, the moment anyone does any AoE Fire, Electricity or Explosion move, every Bob-omb & variant is probably gonna blow up, lol.

I'd be surprised if this wasn't what takes out a large portion of at least one, if not both sides.
 
TartaChocholate said:
So, uh, been watching the new DB episodes and all, but been away from discussions for a couple of months. What's the deal with Omniman vs Bardock? Sorry for the silly question, but I don't know anything about Invincible.
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They gave a ridiculous feat to omniman well downplaying bardock.
 
TartaChocholate said:
So, uh, been watching the new DB episodes and all, but been away from discussions for a couple of months. What's the deal with Omniman vs Bardock? Sorry for the silly question, but I don't know anything about Invincible.
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Basically: The Sun-disk was the worst possible reasoning for Omni-Man winning and is now considered one of the worst reasonings DB ever used

Not only the calcaultion neeeded to be wanked to reach Stellar levels of power, but the way Omni-Man destroyed it + the feat itself relies on a lot of assumptions

Beyond that, they downplayed King Vegeta's feat of destroying 3 planets with a wave of his hand
 
TartaChocholate said:
I remember reading and watching up to the fight with Byakuya, where Ichigo first uses Tensa Zangetsu. It was pretty dope.
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That was pretty great. You should continue it (but reading the manga would probably be best up until you reach the Thousand-Year Blood War arc since the old anime had the old, long-running Shounen anime problem of having god awful pacing).
 
TartaChocholate said:
So, uh, been watching the new DB episodes and all, but been away from discussions for a couple of months. What's the deal with Omniman vs Bardock? Sorry for the silly question, but I don't know anything about Invincible.
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Besides the wonkyness of the calc.... (IIRC, we have a calc blog of our own that tried it multiple ways because of DB & couldn't get the same result they did.)

Well, the other factor is it doesn't make sense plot wise.
The Sun Disk was there to block the sun from some race that gets stronger in sun light. Not the Ragnarrs or something, but still.

The Coalition of Planets or whatever it's called, for reasons I don't recall (Alien alliance, maybe?), wanted the sun disk gone. & it was stated elsewhere that they don't have any weapons that can hurt Viltrumites.
But a regular ship destroyed the Sun Disk with a laser blast. (I forget if they had help or not.)
(Nolan isn't even the strongest Viltrumite, FWIW, but he's at least Above Average, IIRC.)

DB used that to justify scaling Nolan above the feat's yield they got, since if they have no weapons strong enough to hurt Viltrumites, that would include the one that destroyed the Sun Disk, ergo, Omni-Man is stronger than the Sun Disk bust. (I forget their logic to say how it applies to Attack Potency/Striking Strength. Probably "He can hurt someone who can hurt him".)

The ship that did this was a regular, unexceptional ship, & this is a big plot hole because the main enemy in the story, IIRC, IS the Viltrumites, yet here they have a regular ship doing a feat stronger than ANYTHING ELSE Omni-Man had done.

& yes, that includes the like, Tier 6 Planet Bust or something he did with like, 2 other Viltrumites, by a targeted attack on a weak point in the core, & yet was still immensely difficult & nearly fatal for him.

The Sun Disk by comparison was like, high into Tier 5 or Tier 4; Mathematically, the yield they got is almost certainly an outlier just by the crazy difference.
Storywise, it's nonsense because why were they seeking other anti-Viltrumite options if they had ships that could hit harder than any Viltrumite feat? (& again, it contradicts their statements about lack of weapons to harm Viltrumites.)
& calc-wise, it doesn't line up with how other people have calc'd the feat.


Not to mention, Bardock arguably may have had a shot anyway! Why? Due to, IIRC, King Vegeta doing a very casual Triple Planet Bust.

King Vegeta is the king of the Saiyan race and the head of the royal family. In Dragon Ball Z, while he was facing Frieza on Namek, Vegeta remarked that, as a child he was already more powerful than his father, implying King Vegeta's power level is under 18,000.

Heck it may be lower than that. That PL of 18,000 comparison is from SAIYAN SAGA Vegeta, but as said, Vegeta was already stronger than his dad as a KID.
Do you think Kid Vegeta was close to the PL he had as an adult in the Saiyan Saga?!

Super Saiyan gives a 50x boost, & Bardock has a base power level of 10,000.

500,000 / 18,000 = 27.77

So if 18,000 (Or a lot less because that's Saiyan Saga Vegeta's PL & again, that's the PL used for comparison with King Vegeta.) is enough to destroy 3 Planets at once, very casually, & Super Saiyan Bardock is nearly 28 times stronger than that....

Well, IDK if the math actually works out to beat DB's Sun Disk feat yield, but I think you get the idea, right?

Sorry for all the words.
 
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Darkmon_cns said:
They gave a ridiculous feat to omniman well downplaying bardock.
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The sun-disk thing?
Accelerated_Evolution said:
Basically: The Sun-disk was the worst possible reasoning for Omni-Man winning and is now considered one of the worst reasonings DB ever used

Not only the calcaultion neeeded to be wanked to reach Stellar levels of power, but the way Omni-Man destroyed it + the feat itself relies on a lot of assumptions

Beyond that, they downplayed King Vegeta's feat of destroying 3 planets with a wave of his hand
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The sun-disk thing.

Yeah, when it came up I was wondering about. I never saw it before when Omniman was discussed or the matchup was brought up, so I thought that it either was a controversial take regarding the feat or the feat was recent.

I'd complain but... uh... I cheered when Ryu and Hiei won their fights despite those also being pretty much wrong. So I guess it's even.

King Vegeta's feat was downplayed in the calc?
 
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