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blud no one is playing the victim
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DEATH BATTLE! Discussion Thread (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)
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You know how Sonic stans are, if they get critized their first move is to play te victim and create imaginary events in their minds
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Sure, whatever you say
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Idk man, I smell some victim mentality from these comments
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Theuser kinda is doomer here recently but trying to generalize every Sonic fan as that is lame too :V
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Any bets on what the fourth episode is gonna be?
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AmongusFallguys sweep baybeeee
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Be intreasting to see how they would scale fall guys and all. Much be a funner one compared to the scalings that we get usually on death battle
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How popular is both franchises currently
I know among us has some legs still
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Among us having legs cause of the miles edgeworth crossover
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Goku already lost twice to Clark and factor comic book characters slamming other big names over the year before Goku vs Superman 3 it was all she wrote
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DB striking while iron is cold is their MO.
ShakeResounding
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Don't they have the right to complain, though? Nobody is saying it happens here, that much is obvious when you look at the pages, and nobody is saying it doesn't happen to Bowser as well. That's just you telling them to shut up, in a nicer way.
But no, they're right in the sense that people are much likelier to scrutinize Eggman's stuff when compared to Bowser's stuff. Like, they both can get into super reach territory, but some of Bowser's arguments are downright asinine. Same with Eggy, but I see it for Bowser more often (especially across platforms such as Reddit).
User was right, they ARE treating Bowser like some Doctor Strange type.
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I hope that mentality ends up changing once Death Battle gets past all the Kickstarter funded episodes and starts doing their own MUs. Because I feel like that Death Battle was able to make that their MO because they were a part of something once, aka RT.
But since Death Battle is now an independent business, I think they should consider having some of their team analyze what are very popular franchises right now and create episodes to capitalize on said popularity. Now I think they could still do some obscure MUs, but I also think we may see a surge in episodes based off what's trending.
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Tbh even at minimum episodes takes 9 months to producer, bigger ones take years. There is going to be some delay. But like, we were predicting BowserEggman for S8, that one took long.
They did time it well with OmnimanHomelander & GojoMakima I guess. Good for them.
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...Did you read a lick of what I posted?
Just straight up assuming I'm in no other communities or groups and insisting 'everywhere else' is the same...
I am outside the wiki. My entire point was that I clearly have only hung around certain groups who were warping how I was generalizing and how that was bad for me...And that I needed to step away from that rather than let my negativity building up keep effecting me.
XitSign
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Maybe I'm misunderstanding the problem, but a lot of complaining about Death Battle's preview on this point is confusing to me...
People seem mad already that Bowser is having a large number of abilities listed in the preview...this is already before the final analysis where they say 'but [character] doesn't make use of this ability in these contexts', and also like...seemed like they had clips to show each ability so it seems totally reasonable to be in an analysis...
Bowser DOES have a lot of powers, and this preview being 3 minutes was already a doozy for just one side of the fight, feels like there's nothing to complain about until the full episode is even out...
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Can't wait for Eggman's preview to have people complain that they are treating him like Rick/The Doctor
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Uhh I dont think the doom is about Bowser's preview specifically? That one was fine enough. Its the general assumption of what the overall analysis will be.
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I've seen sentiments of "They're already giving him too much", which is more 'doomer' than I've come to expect.
Since the fight was announced people have speculated on the full analysis, I know, I've watched people insist they know everything they're going to say. That's very normal with Death Battle.
It's the particular criticism of the preview giving Bowser 'too much' is the one that seems excessive to me...It seems like an unusual complaint, first time I think I've seen it?
Since the fight was announced people have speculated on the full analysis, I know, I've watched people insist they know everything they're going to say. That's very normal with Death Battle.
It's the particular criticism of the preview giving Bowser 'too much' is the one that seems excessive to me...It seems like an unusual complaint, first time I think I've seen it?
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Well if its about what one has seen, then sorry, but I have seen way too much Mario glazing elsewhere, and sure Sonic gets wanked, but by comparison Mario gets pass more often on more stupid things by even more stupid reasons.
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I did read it and I did see that you are doing better but the fact you're letting people complaining affect you thus much is concerning. Twice now you've thrown indirects to Sonic scalers and their complaining, but this is really the only place that consistently is complaining about Death Battle and their Sonic scaling.
I am glad you went outside and found your group but people's complaints themselves shouldn't have bothered you to the point of throwing indirect attacks to Sonic "goons" or whatever. Powerscaling is not that serious.
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this whole glaze thing feels of "Depends on where you at" area
Sonic def gets wanked just as bad as it does get downplayed tho the wanking aspect reeks of trying to flex/ use other franchises(cough dragon ball) as that big dick powerhouse franchise
Mario gets glazed mainly within the DB community as most folks treat mario and bowser as uber hax lords that can't die and can spam constant haxxes on you even tho canon will have them do the most basic shit most of the time
Sonic def gets wanked just as bad as it does get downplayed tho the wanking aspect reeks of trying to flex/ use other franchises(cough dragon ball) as that big dick powerhouse franchise
Mario gets glazed mainly within the DB community as most folks treat mario and bowser as uber hax lords that can't die and can spam constant haxxes on you even tho canon will have them do the most basic shit most of the time
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Nice world you living it, where it is tho? Because is definitely not our world, its the ´´Sonic downplay´´ just people not buying stupid garbage like ´´5D or 6D´´ Sonic? And the ´´Mario wank´´ is people believing that the Mario cast is at least planet level?
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This. The reason Mario gets attacked is because we're in the Death Battle thread, and Death Battle glazes Mario. Other communities shit on Sonic and this wiki's stats as much as we do to Mario in Anti-VSBW communities.
Edit: The post above mine proves what I am saying.
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...I called them 'goons' because a few posts above mine, people were using 'goons' for Death Battle and other debaters...I even put my 'goon' in quotations since it was a silly word to use, to try to convey I was far less serious about calling them 'goons'.
And I don't feel that it's actually that concerning? People being negative assholes sometimes can ruin you hype for something you're anticipating...Not like I'm going off about my life being in ruins, I was losing excitement for a web series episode and my engagement with watching people debate it because they were being assholes. I don't feel it's that deep...
And I don't think anything I said was targeted at any larger community other than the individuals that I found myself engaging or just being in the communities of, I think I was making myself pretty clear that remembering to separate individuals being dicks from the wider group was a good thing, and generalizing the debate just because some of them were being dicks was a bad thing.
I did not expect having to defend the fact that people being assholes made me less enthusiastic and hyped, and then stepping away from the assholes was making me happier, and how that was similar to people who are having issues with Mario fans who are being assholes. How I found it interesting other people were having the issue, but in ways I haven't been seeing.
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Sure man, believe whatever you say, it may make it true in an alternate world
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Majority of DB communities does not argue for Planet/Star level Mario cast, they would say base Mario at Universal is downplay lol
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I mean, yall believe that the Base Sonic cast is Universal in base, and probably see anything less as ´´downplay´´
XitSign
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...I'm going to be honest, getting weirdly psycho-analytical about me just talking about having different experiences and the main takeaway being about me 'throwing indirect' at the Sonic Supporters comes off kinda scummy if the mindset is going to be 'We just shit on one side here, and that's the rule'...
Feels kinda toxic, just painted over with irony and shitposting to make it look funny...
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Welcome to the Sonic fandom, some of the most toxic communities in the Internet
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I do not believe Sonic is realistically Uni at base, there are arguments, but realistically its makes no sense.
Nice to know that you start to throw shit at people in less than 20 posts. Youll fit right in at DB communities
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It's not the hax being unreasonable, it's how Bowser supporters are claiming Bowser fights that's unreasonable because most of his methods are brutish because they typically work and get him his way.
At least with Eggy, he DOES blatantly use that myriad of hax more often because that's what he is as a character. He's reliant upon his hax 95% of the time when he HAS it and isn't just actively pursuing it (Chaos Emeralds, Time Eater, Time Stones, etc).
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That's... not what I mean at all? I wasn't trying to psycho-analyse you, but when you say certain people were "assholes" in a thread you feel people are being aggressive towards Death Battle makes me think you got a problem with people here. Glad that's not the case, tho.
I am not saying we just shit on one-side here, just that the reason Mario gets attacked more is because Death Battle already favors him. That's why Death Battle communities also target Sonic here because Sonic IS favored here.
I have no idea why this became a pity party about who gets more downplayed or screwed over or whatever. It's kinda dumb. Casuals favor Sonic, Death Battle favors Mario, VSBW favors Sonic. That's all.
(Although only VSBW favors Eggman versus Bowser).
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You've been baiting for a reaction from Sonic fans for several pages now. Give it a rest and act civil, or at least more mature, because I wouldn't like to associate your name with Sonic Ragebait
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Okay, my bad. Like I posted above, browsing on Twitter and even on Reddit, I've seen a few people upset with the PREVIEW
But my bad, misunderstood what you were actually talking about!
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I don't want to write an entire essay, and I'm not going to, but I will say that I personally think that Mario and Sonic are franchises that are equally as downplayed as they are wanked.
For example: I feel like Base Mario character stats are severely lower than what they actually should be (I don't know how Mario is only Tier 6 when he's defeated enemies powered by Power Stars and even Grand Stars in the past) while I feel like some of the higher end stuff for Sonic is questionable like hypertimelines and infinite speed for base characters. But on the flip side: I've always thought that the higher dimensional arguments for Mario were pretty sus, and I personally think that Sonic should be at bare minimum Multi Solar System Level and MTFL+ in base and Multiversal to Multiversal+ as Super Sonic.
So really, it comes down to interpretation and I think it's literally impossible to have people agree on power scaling collectively and completely.
For example: I feel like Base Mario character stats are severely lower than what they actually should be (I don't know how Mario is only Tier 6 when he's defeated enemies powered by Power Stars and even Grand Stars in the past) while I feel like some of the higher end stuff for Sonic is questionable like hypertimelines and infinite speed for base characters. But on the flip side: I've always thought that the higher dimensional arguments for Mario were pretty sus, and I personally think that Sonic should be at bare minimum Multi Solar System Level and MTFL+ in base and Multiversal to Multiversal+ as Super Sonic.
So really, it comes down to interpretation and I think it's literally impossible to have people agree on power scaling collectively and completely.
ShakeResounding
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You're completely fine dude! None taken at all.
No, I wasn't upset at the preview because there was nothing to be upset over lmao. Granted I think Eggman is going to lose anyways, I'd just like for more respect regarding the characters I like same as anyone. I don't really care about stats unless it's something particularly egregious.
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Being powered up by magic macguffins shouldnt automatically scale you to their max potential.
Hell, base Sonic has battled Chaos Emerald & Phantom Ruby users who would then lead to scale chain which gets base Sonic at Uni.
But I really dont think Mario or Sonic should get that. Emerl absorbing FEB and Sonic getting Solar System+ is also realistically sus as well, because there is no way Sonic is intended to be that strong.
Unfortunately common sense isnt viable argument.
Hell, base Sonic has battled Chaos Emerald & Phantom Ruby users who would then lead to scale chain which gets base Sonic at Uni.
But I really dont think Mario or Sonic should get that. Emerl absorbing FEB and Sonic getting Solar System+ is also realistically sus as well, because there is no way Sonic is intended to be that strong.
Unfortunately common sense isnt viable argument.
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