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General DC Comics Discussion Thread

He was talking about higher dimensions, fractal mechanics, 9-D and different physical laws, he was just learning about those dimensions

•Higher Dimensional space
11-D + 2D
The scan you provided only explains how the nature of the two dimension itself and to explore the dimension must adaptation to the level 10 reduction mass. I am very strange with you always bringing databooks without comic references, moreover you also never even provide the original source from scan provided.
 
The scan you provided only explains how the nature of the two dimension itself and to explore the dimension must adaptation to the level 10 reduction mass. I am very strange with you always bringing databooks without comic references, moreover you also never even provide the original source from scan provided.
•The guidebook only briefly explains dc cosmology
[Layers of Dimensional]

•Layers of infinite dimensions that existed in dc before. [All-star Squadron] [Wiki].
According to the guidebook, the Dimensions have layers. it's a world beyond a world, a world within a world.

•For the 11 dimensions, it is in chapter 1 of the authority comic [Eleven dimension] [Higher dimension] [Authority sourcebook].

•In league of justice vol 1 chapter #3, there are countless higher dimensions, we can see the statement in this comic, "a myriad of different vectors" + "any number of spatial dimensions".
This is the basic spatial dimension:

2-dimensional spatial vectors are height and width
3-dimensional spatial vectors are height, width and depth
4-dimensonal spatial vectors are height, width, depth and time.
And up to countless dimensional vectors[myriad]
[Countless higher dimension].

DC comics should be 1A or higher
 
The guidebook only briefly explains dc cosmology
[Layers of Dimensional]
This only explains the number of omniverses and alternate multiverses.

•Layers of infinite dimensions that existed in dc before. [All-star Squadron] [Wiki].
According to the guidebook, the Dimensions have layers. it's a world beyond a world, a world within a world.
From what I remember, this scan was rejected a long time ago and you can't bring it up again. T̶̶h̶̶a̶̶t̶ ̶n̶̶o̶̶t̶̶h̶̶i̶̶n̶̶g̶ ̶t̶̶o̶ ̶d̶̶o̶ ̶w̶̶i̶̶t̶̶h̶ ̶a̶̶n̶̶y̶̶t̶̶h̶̶i̶̶n̶̶g̶ ̶c̶̶o̶̶s̶̶m̶̶o̶̶l̶̶o̶̶g̶̶y̶ ̶i̶̶d̶̶i̶̶o̶̶t̶.


For the 11 dimensions, it is in chapter 1 of the authority comic [Eleven dimension] [Higher dimension] [Authority sourcebook].
Wildstrom's current continuity has no cosmology of its own.

In league of justice vol 1 chapter #3, there are countless higher dimensions, we can see the statement in this comic, "a myriad of different vectors" + "any number of spatial dimensions".
This is the basic spatial dimension:

2-dimensional spatial vectors are height and width
3-dimensional spatial vectors are height, width and depth
4-dimensonal spatial vectors are height, width, depth and time.
And up to countless dimensional vectors[myriad]
[Countless higher dimension].
This scan has also been rejected by the staff here.
 
This only explains the number of omniverses and alternate multiverses.
The way you understand the conclusions in reading a guidebook explains how smart you are

"These universes nest in dimensional layers that are governed by often highly complex laws or exist in as-yet-unformed states."
There are layers that have not yet formed and will eventually form because the layers are infinite
This scan has also been rejected by the staff here.
In the past there was no evidence of higher dimension layers, but with guidebooks now it can be used. Because the infinite dimensional layer and the infinite higher dimensional explanation, the two are related

From what I remember, this scan was rejected a long time ago and you can't bring it up again. T̶̶h̶̶a̶̶t̶ ̶n̶̶o̶̶t̶̶h̶̶i̶̶n̶̶g̶ ̶t̶̶o̶ ̶d̶̶o̶ ̶w̶̶i̶̶t̶̶h̶ ̶a̶̶n̶̶y̶̶t̶̶h̶̶i̶̶n̶̶g̶ ̶c̶̶o̶̶s̶̶m̶̶o̶̶l̶̶o̶̶g̶̶y̶ ̶i̶̶d̶̶i̶̶o̶̶t̶.
That just explains a little more of what I'm saying

Moreover, the 6th dimension has 2 variant, namely spatial dimension and abstract plane

Here Yup, layers of dimensions
 
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Ignoring how close you are to getting a direct warning from a thread mod☠️

—The 200,000 dimensional snowflake from your first scan was confirmed to be in reference to parallel universes.

—String dimensions don’t scale anywhere on this site. Your second scan states that the dimensions in context are of such infinitesimal nature. The fact that higher dimensions are constructed from uncountably infinite “slices” of lower ones (e.g. a cube is like uncountably infinite 2-D planes) doesn’t mean higher dimensions are automatically considered higher levels of infinity without evidence of qualitative superiority.

Q: When are higher dimensions not viable to use as evidence for Tier 2 and above?

A: Whether higher-dimensional entities qualify for such high tiers or not depends on several different factors, which may take root both in and out-of-verse. To explain this situation, we must first clarify what exactly being higher-dimensional entails.

Are higher-dimensional beings infinitely larger than lower-dimensional equivalents?​

In a way, yes, though not how most would think when using this word. Basically, an arbitrary object of dimension n is essentially comprised by the total sum of uncountably infinite objects of one dimension less, which may be described as lower-dimensional "slices", each corresponding to one of the infinite points of a line. For instance, a square is made of infinitely many line segments (Lined up on the y-axis), a cube of infinitely many squares (Lined up on the z-axis), and so on.

One may think of it as a multiplication between sets: For instance, the unit square [0,1]² may be expressed as the product of two unit intervals [0,1] x [0,1], which itself can be visualized as taking "copies" of the first interval and lining them up along each point of the second interval, of which there are uncountably infinitely-many, thus forming a square out of infinite line segments.

Are higher-dimensional beings infinitely stronger than lower-dimensional equivalents?​

Unintuitive as that may be: Not necessarily, as a number of characteristics through which we quantify the strength or power of a character can remain unchanged when transitioning between higher and lower dimensions. For example: Mass is a quantity that is detached from the dimension of the object which it is inherent to, and unlike volume is not divided in units corresponding to each particular dimension (1-volume [length], 2-volume [area], 3-volume, 4-volume...). It is singular in nature and its units equally apply to alldimensions; whether it is distributed over an area or a volume only tells us about the span of space in which it is spread, not about the quantity itself.

As a consequence of that, much of the calculation methods which are used to measure strength apply equally to both higher and lower dimensions, as they do not care about the extra variables and often work with a single one of them. Examples of this are kinetic energy (Ek=0.5*M*V^2), force (F=M*A), work (W=F*d), and etc.

An intuitive example of that is found in the general definition of Work as defined in physics: In essence, as work itself denotes the energy applied to an object as it is displaced along a given path, the basic formula for calculating it only takes into account a single variable, and the path itself is treated as an one-dimensional object, regardless of the dimension of the space in which the action itself takes place.

Hence, a higher-dimensional entity can be both stronger or weaker than a lower-dimensional one, and thus, they are usually quantified based on their own feats, instead of dimensionality alone. If a character is merely stated to be higher-dimensional and simultaneously has no other feats to derive anything noteworthy from, then they are put at Unknown, and the same applies to lower dimensions as well.

Do note, however, that them not qualifying for Tier 2 and above doesn't mean they are "fake" higher-dimensional beings or anything of the sort. It is simply that being higher-dimensional does not inherently mean they have infinite power in the first place, as explained above.
Mass/Volume/Energy are scalar quantities, which means they have no dimensioned value, and can be applied and permeate through all spatial dimensional axes. Hell, you could argue that the whole point of string theory is that our 3 dimensions of length/width/height are technically the “higher dimensions” because of how insignificant the other extra dimensions are.
 
I agree that most of these scans are clearly Tier 1, but yeah, you guys need to chill.
Yes, of course, there are infinite higher-dimensional in the guidebook and infinity of dimensions layered in the comic.
In comics there is a 5-dimensional mathematical structure and a 6-dimensional structure with more than a lower dimension.
In dc, dimensions have layers, databooks clarify everything with layers of dimensions in the universe/multiverse

Previously it was rejected, but now with new feats, the concept of infinite dimensional layers can be used in upgrading cosmology

So yes, H1B orrery of worlds

Comic authority explains about higher dimensions, referred to as 11 dimensions, beyond normal space and time [4 Dimensions]. not infinite dimensions
I have the link if anyone wants it
 
This literally says Earth's universe is one of many "higher dimensions" demonstrating very clearly that the word is being used to refer to realms.

The second one doesn't scale to any cosmology and, as Lawyer says, don't qualify for higher tiers since the dimensions are described as being very small.
 
The 196,833 dimensions refer to parallel universes folded in on each other.
Universes, realities and dimensions are referred to with the same meaning. And the guidebook states that dimensions are coordinate axes.

Dimensions "folded so tightly that they are undetectable by any scientific instruments" are of insignificant size and are thus not tierable.
How should this relate to size? If it cannot be detected, then this only speaks about its properties
 
—The 200,000 dimensional snowflake from your first scan was confirmed to be in reference to parallel universes.
Universes were stated to be an infinite number
—String dimensions don’t scale anywhere on this site. Your second scan states that the dimensions in context are of such infinitesimal nature. The fact that higher dimensions are constructed from uncountably infinite “slices” of lower ones (e.g. a cube is like uncountably infinite 2-D planes) doesn’t mean higher dimensions are automatically considered higher levels of infinity without evidence of qualitative superiority.
Now show me where exactly it has an infinitesimal nature, being in a description with three spatial and one time dimensions. Or does three-dimensional reality also have no volume and does not exceed two-dimensional reality?

Mass/Volume/Energy are scalar quantities, which means they have no dimensioned value, and can be applied and permeate through all spatial dimensional axes. Hell, you could argue that the whole point of string theory is that our 3 dimensions of length/width/height are technically the “higher dimensions” because of how insignificant the other extra dimensions are.
Unfortunately, the comic itself revealed that the ship was drifting in higher dimensions, and took on a three-dimensional form for the crew.
 
This literally says Earth's universe is one of many "higher dimensions" demonstrating very clearly that the word is being used to refer to realms.
The dimension in the example was indicated by axes outside of four
The second one doesn't scale to any cosmology and, as Lawyer says, don't qualify for higher tiers since the dimensions are described as being very small.
Suitable for any cosmology. I haven't seen any evidence that they are small.
 
Universes, realities and dimensions are referred to with the same meaning. And the guidebook states that dimensions are coordinate axes.


How should this relate to size? If it cannot be detected, then this only speaks about its properties
PARALLEL WORLDS
From the highest sublimed realities to broken universes,
there are an infinite number of possibilities out there
to explore (or to be explored by!). There are 196,833
dimensions of reality in a fabulous snowflake shape - and
each movement of each part of the snowflake causes more
possibilities to blossom.
This quite literally implies that the dimensions being discussed in the scan are just different 4-D (3-D Space + 1-D time) timelines.
 
The way you understand the conclusions in reading a guidebook explains how smart you are

"These universes nest in dimensional layers that are governed by often highly complex laws or exist in as-yet-unformed states."
There are layers that have not yet formed and will eventually form because the layers are infinite

In the past there was no evidence of higher dimension layers, but with guidebooks now it can be used. Because the infinite dimensional layer and the infinite higher dimensional explanation, the two are related


That just explains a little more of what I'm saying

Moreover, the 6th dimension has 2 variant, namely spatial dimension and abstract plane

Here Yup, layers of dimensions
DC comics have infinite higher dimensions like Underspace Marvel, infinite layers, the 6th dimension which has a different structure from the 3rd dimension. Physical dimensions in DC Comics is H1B, unavoidable

Dc should be H1A with Layers of dream
 
@Brahmatman, @Ramasugita11, you are certainly entitled to your own views on DC, but this has already been discussed extensively. You clearly will not be convinced otherwise, but neither will those who disagree with you. I ask that you do not clutter this thread further trying to argue about DC's dimensionality.
 
@Brahmatman, @Ramasugita11, you are certainly entitled to your own views on DC, but this has already been discussed extensively. You clearly will not be convinced otherwise, but neither will those who disagree with you. I ask that you do not clutter this thread further trying to argue about DC's dimensionality.
I would rather you not frame it like that, as saying those of us who defend the wiki's interpretation will not be convinced otherwise damages our credibility when we simply don't have enough evidence.
 
If they attempted to counter the arguments made by the mods, it would be fine, but they don't. They only use the same scans repeatedly, trying to assert an interpretation that the mods don't agree with. If they used their time to refute the size aspect of the dimensions instead of sarcastically saying 'I guess the dimensions are small,' it would be fine. However, what they are doing will only lead to the topic being banned. This is unfortunate since I want DC to be upgraded, and their approach doesn't help the cause; it only puts people more against DC. PLEASE USE GOOD IRREFUTABLE ARGUMENTS.
 
I would rather you not frame it like that, as saying those of us who defend the wiki's interpretation will not be convinced otherwise damages our credibility when we simply don't have enough evidence.
It doesn't damage one's credibility to state something like that. Saying that you won't be convinced doesn't mean you're closing off any consideration of undiscovered evidence, but that going in circles about the existing and already-discussed evidence serves no purpose.
 
If they attempted to counter the arguments made by the mods, it would be fine, but they don't. They only use the same scans repeatedly, trying to assert an interpretation that the mods don't agree with. If they used their time to refute the size aspect of the dimensions instead of sarcastically saying 'I guess the dimensions are small,' it would be fine. However, what they are doing will only lead to the topic being banned. This is unfortunate since I want DC to be upgraded, and their approach doesn't help the cause; it only puts people more against DC. PLEASE USE GOOD IRREFUTABLE ARGUMENTS.
I have already proven that higher dimensions are spatial coordinates. I was told that they were small, didn’t work, and the qualitative difference had to be sealed. I asked to send a text where it is written about the small sizes of dimensions, and how this contradicts the instructions. about infinite higher dimensions.

No matter how many times I asked to show Beyonder’s qualitative difference, the answer was silence. After all, it is a little difficult to fulfill the requirement in your favor when there is very strong hypocrisy and speculation.
 
Thats enough. If you really have a deep deep desire to argue about cosmology, do so in the DC Cosmology discussion thread, not this one.

 
When do we apply DC cosmology to tier 1A?
With infinite higher dimensions and infinite layers of dimensions that cannot be denied, that is enough
 
It would need to be accepted in a CRT, which is not likely to happen. Now, please move cosmology discussions to this thread:

 
It would need to be accepted in a CRT, which is not likely to happen. Now, please move cosmology discussions to this thread:

I don't discuss, I ask. Anyways you can't answer it, how it was rejected.
Reject it if you can, go to my thread
Let we talk
 
why are we separating a dc comics discussion thread and a dc cosmology thread
why cant we talk abt cosmology here 🗿
I don't know either, btw do you think that evidence that cannot be refuted, can be rejected based on personal assumptions without further evidence?
 
why are we separating a dc comics discussion thread and a dc cosmology thread
why cant we talk abt cosmology here 🗿
i feel like its so redundant
Because this thread is for discussing DC in general, not just cosmology, but it's been absolutely flooded with circular bickering about the cosmology for several weeks
 
 
Anyway, looks like Raven (who I am shocked doesn't have a proper comics profile on here) can BFR people into the Phantom Zone of all places.
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Source: Titans (2023) Issue # 7
 
So, a younger Current Superman and Kingdom Come Superman were able to fight the Old God Gog and hold the advantage (World's Finest takes place very early in the Rebirth careers of Superman and Batman, to the point Dick Grayson is still Robin)

Highlights include taking a blast from him unharmed and immediately rocking him with punches, heat vision and ice breath, younger Rebirth Superman surviving a blast and impalement from Gog and a double punch from them drew blood and knocked Gog out.

For comparison, in the same comic, Gog casually oneshot Kingdom Come Wonder Woman, Alan Scott and HawkGod
 
 
 
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