Rimuru Tempest VS Reinhard Van Astrea VS Ainz Ooal Gown (0-2-2-0)

[TheKingStrategist13]

From the arguments I see here, Ainz has a more compelling case than Reinhard. I really can't imagine that consuming a soul would really equate to damaging it per say, that seems contrived to me. Unsure about Rimuru's Radiation, if it's proven to be a valid wincon I might vote for him, otherwise my vote is for Ainz.

 

[Phoenks]

Tis in his profile.

Radiation Manipulation and Creation (Monsters of significant aura can create an aura akin to radiation, that is extremely toxic to organic life and can induce death in high concentration. It will cause monsters to be born due to the high concentration of magicule)

This does not give me an example of it being instantaneous. In fact, it actually makes it sound like it isn't exactly much of a problem unless you're around him for a long period of time, so please do me the favor and grab a scan of it doing what you think it will, in a meaningful amount of time.

After extensive steps to becoming a Demon Lord, as to which he couldn’t do immediately, and got his run back on the people who did so to him. Doesn’t seem like a Mary Sue to me. It really seems like you’re just cutting out all context in order to dish out dubiously-bad faith arguments.

Look, I'm fine with you enjoying the series and all, but this is a prime example of what I mean when I say "Rimuru never faces permanent losses." I was salivating when he actually had bad shit happen to him, because up until this point, he was living the life and effortlessly taking care of problems, which was getting boring. When Shion died, I was like "Holy shit! Something happened!"...

But holy shit, to think he would just instantly revert all of it after a big ol power-up..? Man, that was when I just lost all hope of Tensei Slime ever giving Rimuru some genuine concerns. The guy didn't even develop from that entire interaction. He just got stronger from it and made more connections.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

It's not, no scan or reference.

Justification should be enough, but here is the scan.

 

[Phoenks]

Justification should be enough, but here is the scan.

What exactly is the context here?

Aren't magicules just magic particles? Also, it says "barely withstand?" I don't see any insta-kill effects here. Is this the right scan?

 

[Zabazab]

A threeway LN characters match devolving into a debate on writing quality is on-brand tbh.

Anyway, if Ainz' death hax bypasses Reinhard's extra layer(?) of resistance he'll be forced to rez, and until the soul absorption/resistence is added the Soul Eaters probably work on him (if he dies).

Though there is a guy who fights Reinhard that wields a sword that eats away at the holder's soul, hard to imagine he'd be immune if Reinhard isn't tbh, but that's speculation.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Justification should be enough, but here is the scan.

MF that shit has 0 timeframe!

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

What exactly is the context here?

Aren't magicules just magic particles? Also, it says "barely withstand?" I don't see any insta-kill effects here. Is this the right scan?

Yeah, but it’s treated as radiation on site. Doubt there was a better power for it. Also, that’s not talking about how much Rimuru could output, it’s just the density of the lake. Rimuru’s output should be far stronger.

 

[Phoenks]

Yeah, but it’s treated as radiation on site. Doubt there was a better power for it. Also, that’s not talking about how much Rimuru could output, it’s just the density of the lake. Rimuru’s output should be far stronger.

Uh... well like, does he have any scans of his own where someone dies from his "radiation" presence? And someone who is like... not fodder in comparison to him?

Cause if not you're just speculating that it would instant kill people who are both already pretty accustomed to strong magical presences.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Uh... well like, does he have any scans of his own where someone dies from his "radiation" presence? And someone who is like... not fodder in comparison to him?

Cause if not you're just speculating that it would instant kill people who are both already pretty accustomed to strong magical presences.

Strong magical presences =/= presences that actively harm your body. But @Elizhaa likely has way more tbh, since I recall them aiding me when I first suggested adding it.

 

[Zabazab]

Like Reinhard would just passively eat the magicules and get stronger, while Ainz probably has some gacha item that reflects auras while adding death hax to them.

 

[DaReaperMan]

while Ainz probably has some gacha item that reflects auras while adding death hax to them.

I mean he doesn't, but like, he's all bones so Radiation takes its sweet ass time effecting him

 

[Zabazab]

Ainz is already a monster actually

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Strong magical presences =/= presences that actively harm your body. But @Elizhaa likely has way more tbh, since I recall them aiding me when I first suggested adding it.

Note if they can’t find more examples then I’ll just accept I’m cooked.

 

[Fezzih_007]

Like Reinhard would just passively eat the magicules and get stronger,

But is radiation...

 

[Phoenks]

Yeah atm I'm not at all buying this whole "radiation instant kill" thing working on either of these characters, and the scan provided literally just made me more skeptical...

 

[noninho]

I think the discussions about Mary Sue's should be taken elsewhere.

Yeah
Don't even know what it means and can't search because I'm working

 

[Phoenks]

Yeah
Don't even know what it means and can't search because I'm working

People tend to have their own definition for what a Mary Sue is a lot of the time.

For me, a Mary Sue is a character who is, for the most part, represented as nearly perfect, with little to no actual flaws or weaknesses. They tend to solve problems a lot quicker than other characters, or even other protagonists, and usually do not face any significant problems, and if they do, most of them are solved easily, or do not result in any permanent or long-lasting side effects to the characters. They may have conflicts that are disguised or presented as being huge problems, but ultimately, do not end up being anything massive or impactful in the long run (Good example is Rimuru losing a lot of his comrades and having his country destroyed by enemies (Presented as a huge problem in the story that could significantly affect everything that's been built up so far), only for all of that to be completely restored and undone after he gets another power up, which hardly leaves an impact on the overarching narrative past this point).

However, at lot of the above can actually be circumvented if a character has other aspects that are focused on. A good example would be Saitama from OPM, who has a lot of Mary Sue characteristics, however, nobody would ever call him a Mary Sue. Reason being the story explicitly showcases how his position as this overpowered, limitless force, has caused him to become somewhat isolated, unchallenged, and lacking in character.

Rimuru, while also sharing many Mary Sue characteristics, unfortunately does not make up for it in the same way, in my opinion at least. There's a lot of wasted potential in Tensei Slime, which is unfortunate because I truly do think its world and concept are interesting.

 

[Phsccarvalho]

Just redo this VS in fun and games but this time to find out which one is the best developed and which one has the best use of the "very op character" feature

 

[Zabazab]

Average Light Novel MC trying to have half of the depth and characterization of a random Re:Zero side-character from a sidestory that only released as a bluray bonus

 

[TheKingStrategist13]

While the arguement of who is and isn't a mary sue is very fascinating, guys, it's a bit of a derailment for this thread.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Just redo this VS in fun and games but this time to find out which one is the best developed and which one has the best use of the "very op character" feature

TBF Ainz is a better Isekai Protagonist then he is an OP character, though he does both well

Cause it's made a point that Ainz is uh, not as big brained as his subordinates think he is; nowhere near in fact, his god-tier big brained-ness is for PVP only, he can run a battle he's in, but he can't run a war

 

[Phoenks]

Just redo this VS in fun and games but this time to find out which one is the best developed and which one has the best use of the "very op character" feature

A thread like that would likely end up in a dumpster fire, just judging by how Milly reacted to my comments about Rimuru. Seriously, was really uncalled for to say I have terrible comprehension because I don't really see Tensei Slime the same way he does.

Anyway, it would most likely be Reinhard's victory, even ignoring my bias. Re: Zero is a story that simply focuses so much more on detailing every ******* character, to the point that it becomes a little ridiculous. In fact, there's even criticisms for Re: Zero focusing on side characters TOO much, and it getting in the way of the actual plotline.

But what it results in, is characters that are extremely deep and well thought out.

I'd say Ainz would come second, but is likely still leagues ahead of Rimuru based on the good I've heard about his concepts of morality and humanity from the people who read Overlord, and his position as this almost malevolent force in the overarching narrative making for a more interesting story.

 

[Undylan]

I wonder what about Anos. How do we judge him as a characrer.

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Seriously, was really uncalled for to say I have terrible comprehension.

Average Milly moment.

 

[noninho]

Anyway, it would most likely be Reinhard's victory

Disagree since Ainz'd probably just let Rimuru be killed by him and then do the two-try-killing of Rein

 

[Zabazab]

Disagree since Ainz'd probably just let Rimuru be killed by him and then do the two-try-killing of Rein

He was on about quality of character writing...

 

[noninho]

He was on about quality of character writing...

Oh **** my bad

 

[noninho]

Oh yeah, OP, I just noticed that you put the tag "ainz ooal goan". mind fixing it?

 

[BoastJr]

TBF Ainz is a better Isekai Protagonist then he is an OP character, though he does both well

Cause it's made a point that Ainz is uh, not as big brained as his subordinates think he is; nowhere near in fact, his god-tier big brained-ness is for PVP only, he can run a battle he's in, but he can't run a war

Ainz backstory is kinda sad. Losing all his friends permanently, trying desperately to relive his old guild days, getting angered whenever someone even dares to bring his friends into the equation (******* foresight)

Man ainz growing up in a ****** up apocalyptic world while not even completing his education and his mother dying sounds depressing as hell.

Plus his undead personality conflicting with his morality leading him to questionable acts all because he doesnt want to lose his last remnant of his home (Nazarick). Yeah, he is complicated as a character.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

never expected this of all threads to die
bump

 

[Phoenks]

Well, probably because it became reinhard vs Ainz again lol

 

[noninho]

Ainz vs Reinhard
Unnadable (I think) edition + rimuru tempest DLC

 

[BoastJr]

Rimuru : Why am I here ? Just to Suffer ?

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Rimuru is paying for his war crimes against that one kingdom he ate to become a demon lord

 

[Phoenks]

It's funny how literally one key later Rimuru is just ******* god

 

[BoastJr]

It's funny how literally one key later Rimuru is just ******* god

idk why anos is here

 

[DaReaperMan]

idk why anos is here

Eh, I wouldn't say Ainz was always at the top, at least not in power, but still looks accurate

 

[noninho]

Eh, I wouldn't say Ainz was always at the top, at least not in power, but still looks accurate

Tell me who surpasses him on the shows (Past guild members not to be taken into account)

 

[BoastJr]

Tell me who surpasses him on the shows (Past guild members not to be taken into account)

Technically Its Rubedo and maybe the Eight Floor Hierachy because they were hyped in dealing with Rubedo too with a World Item

 

[DaReaperMan]

Tell me who surpasses him on the shows (Past guild members not to be taken into account)

Demiurge hands his ass to him in overall strategy, both Albedo and Demiurge are leagues more intelligent

The Princess in the Kingdom is more intelligent

He didn't even know what runecrafting even was until he was told and found Godo(I think that's what his name was) and can't do it on his own

Like I said, Ainz's Intelligence lies in PvP, as a ruler he literally spies on Jircniv JUST so he can figure out how to rule good, and literally reads books and practices in a ******* mirror so he can rule better

Oh, and Rubedo if we're talking sheer uncontested power.