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[Epiccheev]

This is possibly Genos last upgrade unless he sides with Child Emperor/Metal Knight or Stench taught him robotics.
I'd say reaching Boros level strength in his EOS key, is deserved.

 

[ZillertheBucko]

I’m hoping he sides with Drive Knight more after the arc, even though I know that the potential of that happening could get jeopardized, but they do seem like they ought to duo for sure.

 

[ZillertheBucko]

I mean the first drive knight fight scene in the manga is him torturing and killing monsters purely because they knew about his ability, and then Drive Knight in the webcomic told Genos about all his transformations and even his real name, so…

 

[ImposingTiger]

He made him do it because otherwise a bunch of people would die. High AOE vs low AOE attack.

No. Saitama has defeated enemies/attacks that were much larger than the CSRC (Beefcake, Orochi...) with normal punches. So, this is not the EC/ EOW case. Saitama used a SP because of CSRC's power. Otherwise, he would have used a normal punch. Area of Effect is not a factor here.

Your image of the CSRC is that of Saitama splitting it and the explosion making the ship look small, but actually when Boros fired it, it was barely bigger than himself because it was a condensated energy attack, as was Gaia Cannon, which initially was a giant ball of fire from the nucleus of the Earth and ended up being barely bigger than Saitama.

 

[JustANormalPerson01]

No. Saitama has defeated enemies/attacks that were much larger than the CSRC (Beefcake, Orochi...) with normal punches.

I mean, those are not good examples. He defeated Beefcake without taking care of the enviroment and caused a destruction of a city as consequence. And with Orochi, he used a serious move too to take care of the beam attack.

 

[ImposingTiger]

Let me guess. The star-level argument comes from Garou's consecutive normal punches which scratched Saitama, right? I have been thinking for a while about using it to upgrade Monster Garou but it seems it is also weirdly consistent with Boros' statements (Such as forcing Saitama to use Serious Punch)

It comes from CSRC (which Boros' physicals don't scale to, although they probably aren't thousands of times weaker) being stated to be star level in the anime databook. I know people on this site don't like to mix the manga and the anime (although I personally don't treat them as different continuities), so I didn't want to bring it up. Since Boros' latent energy (probably referring to his Released state) is stated to be able to blow up planets, and Meteoric Burst is much stronger than him, it wouldn't make sense that the second "Hoshi" term referred to "planet" as well, making that statement weaker than the Released form statement. Since it is written twice, the first time referring to a weaker form and the second one referring to a stronger form, I'd confidently say that using "star" is not a mistranslation, but a logical conclusion. It also says that Saitama is clobbered, so take that as you will.

Then there is the manga-only statments, which include Released Boros damaging Saitama. The covers are always erased by Viz but that doesn't mean they are not canon. The statement is backed up by Boros himself stating that Saitama's wound will only add up, which wouldn't make sense if he hadn't managed to inflict any visible damage on him. I agree that said damage must be minimal to Saitama, but it tells us something. Then MB is way higher than Released, to the point of being stated to be almost a real fight to Saitama, and then CSRC stated to force Saitama to use SP. The arguable star level scaling from this is that since Serious Punches > Normal Punches, CSRC is at least above the CNP that Saitama and Cosmic Garou exchanged before Saitama was damaged. Now it gets complicated: if you consider CNP to be above Gamma Ray Burst (which briefly took out Saitama but didn't make him bleed as CNP did), then CSRC is definitely star level. If you consider GRB > CNP, then you could argue two things to make CRSC star level: 1- Saitama wasn't forced to use SP against GRB despite the attack being horizontal (the splitting of the GRB wouldn't have touched the ground so there would be no risk of SP destroying the Earth). 2- If you believe GRB > CSRC, you could argue that Saitama's SP against Garou (which destroyed millions of stars and the space between them) is not (much more than, I don't even know the surreal difference) billions of times stronger than Saitama's previous SP, which includes the one that was needed to beat CSRC.

If you are still reading all that, thank you

 

[Damage3245]

The covers are always erased by Viz but that doesn't mean they are not canon.

They're not canon. That text on the cover page isn't in the Japanese volumes either. Nothing to do with Viz removing them.

 

[ImposingTiger]

I mean, those are not good examples. He defeated Beefcake without taking care of the enviroment and caused a destruction of a city as consequence. And with Orochi, he used a serious move too to take care of the beam attack.

The argument is that he has killed much bigger beings/ attacks that CSRC without needing to use SP. SP is reserved for extra big opponents that require a huge AOE and for extra strong attacks.

Another example I can think of is the meteor, it was literally 200m and Saitama destroyed it with a NP. Maybe it would have been ideal if he had used a SP (the same with Beefcake), but we know it is because of AOE, not because they are so powerful that a SP is requiered to stop it (which is CSRC's case, as stated).

Saitama defeated Orochi's Gaia Cannon with a serious move, yes, but we can't compare non-punch serious moves to other attacks. We can only compare Normal Punches to Serious Punches. Otherwise, Sonic would be star level for surviving Saitama's serious side hops. I would even say NP is stronger than Serious Squirt Gun, since Orochi was more baffled by Saitama's NP than by Gaia Cannon being stopped. But that's not important. I stated my point.

 

[Recon1511]

They're not canon. That text on the cover page isn't in the Japanese volumes either. Nothing to do with Viz removing them.

And they don't appear in the covers for the spanish official releases too lol

 

[ImposingTiger]

They're not canon. That text on the cover page isn't in the Japanese volumes either. Nothing to do with Viz removing them.

Can you show me that? I'm pretty sure Kristian Kember (a OPM youtube powerscaler) said in the japanese release it was there.

That aside, why are those statements (like the one saying FF is faster than light on a cover) not considered canon? After all, ONE and Murata have seen the chapter before it gets submitted online, and I'm pretty sure the reason that the text is removed is not because the statements may be innacurate, but because of design choices for the volumes, like wanting the covers to look clean.

And that argument is meant to be taken together with all the other arguments that pretty consistently put Released Boros on a higher place that he is.

 

[Damage3245]

Can you show me that? I'm pretty sure Kristian Kember (a OPM youtube powerscaler) said in the japanese release it was there.

That aside, why are those statements (like the one saying FF is faster than light on a cover) not considered canon? After all, ONE and Murata have seen the chapter before it gets submitted online, and I'm pretty sure the reason that the text is removed is not because the statements may be innacurate, but because of design choices for the volumes, like wanting the covers to look clean.

And that argument is meant to be taken together with all the other arguments that pretty consistently put Released Boros on a higher place that he is.

Those statements are generally added in by editors, not the original authors. They're not part of the canon manga and the fact that they're not included in the volumes should be enough proof for that. I don't have the Japanese volume on hand but I'm sure it would be possible to check that.

 

[ZillertheBucko]

I consider the cover text to be like 5% to 10% as compelling as more traditional evidence
like for example, Flashy Flash being ftl was pretty obvious, and a cover supported it, and Saitama benching two black holes is pretty consistent with the fact that it’s literally a weaker feat than the table flip
though there are things like darkshine being stated to be the hardest, and Garou stated to be the most terrifying, while moments before then a cover called Tornado the most Terrifying and Psykos the most evil, and then moments after said cover it calls Orochi the most evil.
And then it calls Psyrochi ugly which is disprovable via many scans.
along with also calling darkshine the strongest and toughest again

however, in the case of the he took damage statement, it's definitely closer to the 10% than 5% for a few reasons
Most panel covers in more recent chapters tend to be unrelated graphics with unrelated statements that are more obvious hyperbole
but the Boros thing isn't nearly the same
it's a quite blatant and rare case of the cover text just blatantly saying what happened in the story, it is literally just a statement going "he took damage" and that's it.
With "darkshine is the toughest around" I could definitely see Murata absolutely waffling and just throwing a bs statement there, but "he took damage" isn't flowery, it's just exposition. It was written with undeniable intent, because you don't just write that cause you think it sounded fancy or something or just cool
and it's supported by more too is the weird thing, released Boros was stated to have rivaling abilities and put him on the defensive in the guidebook, though that's easily countered by saying it only applies to normal Saitama and has nothing to do with him when he puts in more effort as the fight goes on.
Now there are real problems with this, like the fact that going by the anime only meteoric burst Boros was able to sort of clobber Saitama, when that's far over 2x stronger than released Boros
^a note about that, Meteoric Burst is really just the physicals of released Boros but combined with and propelled by his latent energy beams

so realistically it's at the very least closer to a 10x than a 2x multiplier, but besides that
Meteoric Burst Boros being able to even almost downscale from normal saitama's durability is something that can be argued, especially considering the fact that a consecutive normal punches from cosmic garou equivalent to his own at the time was capable of scratching him
but considering that released Boros is potentially far more than 2x weaker, it's very weird that he'd be able to do this.
But at the same time, if you argue that it's just super super tiny chip damage, it's almost possible, maybe
especially since he was convinced he could chip at Saitama's health after he had knocked off his arm taken the latent energy blast, though physically much weaker

so is "he took damage" Bullshit? It's a hard thing to answer really, I'm more inclined to believing that it means something, but I am sure that it really can't be considered traditional damage that would be enough for even downscaling on any site
however, it could be argued to simply put Boros far above any other opponents saitama has besides garou who he has been able to be completely effortlessly unharmed against to even the extent of the most bare minimum chip damage and being considered strong or taking a normal punch, or even being able to take a suppressed punch without any killing intent without being overpowered and ragdolled
ahem

but that's pretty much my full analysis of the situation at hand and is sorta how I treat things offsite too I guess.
That's it.

 

[SlendVeny]

No. Saitama has defeated enemies/attacks that were much larger than the CSRC (Beefcake, Orochi...) with normal punches. So, this is not the EC/ EOW case. Saitama used a SP because of CSRC's power. Otherwise, he would have used a normal punch. Area of Effect is not a factor here.

Your image of the CSRC is that of Saitama splitting it and the explosion making the ship look small, but actually when Boros fired it, it was barely bigger than himself because it was a condensated energy attack, as was Gaia Cannon, which initially was a giant ball of fire from the nucleus of the Earth and ended up being barely bigger than Saitama.

The AOE is a factor because if he hadn't used some of his power, the attack would have just blasted out all around him and killed a ton of people.

 

[ZillertheBucko]

I consider the cover text to be like 5% to 10% as compelling as more traditional evidence
like for example, Flashy Flash being ftl was pretty obvious, and a cover supported it, and Saitama benching two black holes is pretty consistent with the fact that it’s literally a weaker feat than the table flip
though there are things like darkshine being stated to be the hardest, and Garou stated to be the most terrifying, while moments before then a cover called Tornado the most Terrifying and Psykos the most evil, and then moments after said cover it calls Orochi the most evil.
And then it calls Psyrochi ugly which is disprovable via many scans.
along with also calling darkshine the strongest and toughest again

however, in the case of the he took damage statement, it's definitely closer to the 10% than 5% for a few reasons
Most panel covers in more recent chapters tend to be unrelated graphics with unrelated statements that are more obvious hyperbole
but the Boros thing isn't nearly the same
it's a quite blatant and rare case of the cover text just blatantly saying what happened in the story, it is literally just a statement going "he took damage" and that's it.
With "darkshine is the toughest around" I could definitely see Murata absolutely waffling and just throwing a bs statement there, but "he took damage" isn't flowery, it's just exposition. It was written with undeniable intent, because you don't just write that cause you think it sounded fancy or something or just cool
and it's supported by more too is the weird thing, released Boros was stated to have rivaling abilities and put him on the defensive in the guidebook, though that's easily countered by saying it only applies to normal Saitama and has nothing to do with him when he puts in more effort as the fight goes on.
Now there are real problems with this, like the fact that going by the anime only meteoric burst Boros was able to sort of clobber Saitama, when that's far over 2x stronger than released Boros
^a note about that, Meteoric Burst is really just the physicals of released Boros but combined with and propelled by his latent energy beams

so realistically it's at the very least closer to a 10x than a 2x multiplier, but besides that
Meteoric Burst Boros being able to even almost downscale from normal saitama's durability is something that can be argued, especially considering the fact that a consecutive normal punches from cosmic garou equivalent to his own at the time was capable of scratching him
but considering that released Boros is potentially far more than 2x weaker, it's very weird that he'd be able to do this.
But at the same time, if you argue that it's just super super tiny chip damage, it's almost possible, maybe
especially since he was convinced he could chip at Saitama's health after he had knocked off his arm taken the latent energy blast, though physically much weaker

so is "he took damage" Bullshit? It's a hard thing to answer really, I'm more inclined to believing that it means something, but I am sure that it really can't be considered traditional damage that would be enough for even downscaling on any site
however, it could be argued to simply put Boros far above any other opponents saitama has besides garou who he has been able to be completely effortlessly unharmed against to even the extent of the most bare minimum chip damage and being considered strong or taking a normal punch, or even being able to take a suppressed punch without any killing intent without being overpowered and ragdolled
ahem

but that's pretty much my full analysis of the situation at hand and is sorta how I treat things offsite too I guess.
That's it.

Also I do believe that csrc should be capable of maybe making a tiny visible scratch on saitama or some equivalent of that, had it really been able to land directly on him in its entirety rather than being split by his punch
A hero nobody knows is a based video game cause csrc can actually deal like 1 or 2% of Saitama’s hp

 

[Franako]

Can you show me that? I'm pretty sure Kristian Kember (a OPM youtube powerscaler) said in the japanese release it was there.

That aside, why are those statements (like the one saying FF is faster than light on a cover) not considered canon? After all, ONE and Murata have seen the chapter before it gets submitted online, and I'm pretty sure the reason that the text is removed is not because the statements may be innacurate, but because of design choices for the volumes, like wanting the covers to look clean.

And that argument is meant to be taken together with all the other arguments that pretty consistently put Released Boros on a higher place that he is.

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[Engine]

Possibly Tatsumaki by scaling >sonic who's somewhat equal to flash.
If you mean next "new big feat" type upgrade then i have no idea since we're yet to get a new "boss level" enemy in webcomic.
Probably Metal Knight or Genos tbh.

Yeah, I can see that but Saitama's scalp friction won't allow it lol.

Pls. ONE tell the backstory of Ninja village in detail

 

[Coomandar]

1- He doesn't, he could kill all humanity without resorting to CSRC, as stated in various sites. He uses all of his REMAINING energy, which is not his full energy, and yet the only thing that affects him is the ability to regenerate (that's why he didn't survive against Saitama in the first place), but he would be fine after firing it.

2- Psykorochi literally couldn't, because she was fodder to Tatsumaki, and Boros is stated to be able to end humanity if Saitama isn't there. Orochi is below Psykorochi so he is fodder.

3- Sage and EOW are much more ambiguous, but since Saitama treated Garou as a joke and said Boros was almost a real fight, he is definitely stronger.

4- Boros is not multicontinental, he has a planet level statement and an arguable star level (I won't get into why it is actually star level). His CRSC aforced Saitama to use SP, which is above CNP against Cosmic Garou, but definitely below the SP from SP2 and probably below GRB since the attack wasn't aiming at the Earth. Also, statements saying that he can destroy a planet don't mean that Boros caps at that level. And statements that he could destroy the surface together with Saitama (whose durability is leagues above Meteoric Burst) don't mean Boros caps at surface level either because Saitama is involved in the equation.

Cry all you want, Boros is stated to be able to end humanity, so he solos teh S class (and obviously Tatsumaki) if Saitama weren't there.

1- theres even a statement that he would take hours to kill all humanity, wake up to reality.
2- psykorochi literally can DESTROY all humanity in ONE shot. The continent’s slice only didnt finish the planet’s ENTIRE ecosystem because of the plot armor.
3- boros IS multicontinental, the manga says multicontinental. And you need to write 1 entire book to TRY to contradict, which means that you’re automatically wrong. Too much words form a simple argument.
4- Saitama wasn’t FORCED to use serious punch, get this bullshit out of your mind already bruh. Are we scaling Elder centipede to 5-a too?

Boros wouldnt do shit to Tatsumaki. Boros is just a random monster that was created to show that Saitama was stronger than most of shounen’s protagonists. He isn’t and never was relevant to the history, so he’ll never be as strong as someone as Tatsumaki and that’s common sense. You just don’t want to assume this because she has **** and no dick.

Remember that she was stated to have infinite power by those databooks? Don’t forget. To mention only what is convenient is too easy.

 

[ZillertheBucko]

Tatsumaki wouldnt do shit to Boros. Tatsumaki is just a random character that was created to show that the S class was weaker than the villains Saitama beats like Boros. She isn’t and never was relevant to Saitama, so she'll never be as strong as someone as Boros and that’s common sense. You just don’t want to assume this because he has no dick.

Remember he she was stated to to be the strongest by those databooks? Don’t forget. To mention only what is convenient is too easy.

facts

 

[Coomandar]

Did you miss the part where ONE himself literally did that in the webcomic
you may have also missed the part where ONE also retroactively buffed Boros in the anime on top of that

you are so desperate to scale boros to anything you can that you’re using webcomic’s one decade old statement?

Also, Boros did no better agains’t Saitama than what Tatsumaki did. She is a hero, the fight style was OBVIOUSLY different and not focused in destroying the earth.

Also, do i also have to mention that every single statement about boros is just marketing?

 

[ssgengar]

Me stopping by to see yet another boros discussion

 

[Coomandar]

facts

Iirc Saitama recently said that no enemy was relevant to him. You can cry ziller.

 

[Coomandar]

Also, Saitama grows stronger each day.
Even if Boros had the best perfomance against him wouldn’t mean shit.

 

[ZillertheBucko]

Also, Boros did no better agains’t Saitama than what Tatsumaki did. She is a hero, the fight style was OBVIOUSLY difference and not focused in destroying the earth.

Boros did pretty good against Saitama
-stayed on his feet after a normal punch

- Immediately called strong after their first exchange

- Kept near equal pace with Saitama's normal speed

-hit him with more force than his normal punch

-knocked him off his feet with a blast and snuck up behind him

-surprised him with sheer speed

-Almost a real fight

-took another normal punch

-got called strong again

-got called strong again

Boros W

 

[Recon1511]

This clearly means that Evil Ocean Water clears the verse because it survived a Serious Punch from Saitama

 

[ZillertheBucko]

here's flopsumaki getting blitzed like a turtle and being unable to make a super casual Saitama let go of her

worst character tbh

 

[Coomandar]

ziller, tatsumaki was throwing Saitama from one country to another, destroying everything on her way

Garou was damaging the OTHER side of the planet while fighting Saitama



using alot of scams will not support you. Just show how redundant you are

 

[Coomandar]

This clearly means that Evil Ocean Water clears the verse because it survived a Serious Punch from Saitama

ziller clearly has no common sense, it’s useless trying to explain

 

[Recon1511]

Anyway guys when are we scaling Evil Ocean Water to 4-A?

 

[ZillertheBucko]

ziller, tatsumaki was throwing Saitama from one country to another

that's cute

meanwhile tatsumockery (the fodder(the fodder(the fodder)))

 

[Coomandar]

only one genuinely impressed saitama

 

[Coomandar]

that's cute

now compare this to continent’s lift.

also, look at saitama’s bullsit face to this meaningless feat

couldnt even get him into the spiderman mode

 

[Recon1511]

True, Spiderman Mode Saitama is 2-C we should upgrade Tats

 

[ZillertheBucko]

time to unironically pick these statements apart to show how trash tatsumid is

only one genuinely impressed saitama

Saitama doesn't say "that looks like it's strong enough to be fun" he just says that it looks like it's fun "to do"
and what did he mean by this? Just that he thinks it would be cool to jump from rock to rock in the tornado. Don't believe me? Read the fight:

and then not long after he stops and then gets bored and wants to go home

then this
"Man I was trying to keep your rampage t where no one was around but I really couldn't contain you"
he just says she's got a ton of aoe range and because she's a psychic he can't just stop her destruction by holding her arm, and he couldn't just knock her out either (she is 10-C physically so she'd die fr)
"I don't know what kind of training is done for psychic powers but you must train really hard, very impressive"
unlike Boros, not only is this just him hyping her up because she's a fellow hero, but also he never even acknowledges her being strong to him, all he's saying is that she's destructive and trains hard. That's it.

Boros is the one who got called strong THREE times, and was literally called almost a real fight, which triumphs over every shitty statement tatsumockery the flopsper will ever get in the series.

 

[ZillertheBucko]

Anyway guys when are we scaling Evil Ocean Water to 4-A?

True, Spiderman Mode Saitama is 2-C we should upgrade Tats

Recon is caught in the middle of Boros and Tatsumaki fans saying stupid shit fr.

 

[Recon1511]

I am a broken shell of a man after Iaian was forced to dissapear from the manga.

 

[Coomandar]

True, Spiderman Mode Saitama is 2-C we should upgrade Tats

looks accurate

 

[ZillertheBucko]

I just realized
Doesn’t Platinum Sperm literally have a lower cell count than Golden?

 

[Coomandar]

Saitama doesn't say "that looks like it's strong enough to be fun" he just says that it looks like it's fun "to do"
and what did he mean by this?

Saitama entire character is developed about him being someone emotionless and tired about annoying battles, if he’s having fun with tats and that’s mentioned by SAITAMA HIMSELF, then it’s definetely simething relevant to mention.

then this
"Man I was trying to keep your rampage t where no one was around but I really couldn't contain you"
he just says she's got a ton of aoe range and because she's a psychic he can't just stop her destruction by holding her arm, and he couldn't just knock her out either (she is 10-C physically so she'd die fr)
"I don't know what kind of training is done for psychic powers but you must train really hard, very impressive"
unlike Boros, not only is this just him hyping her up because she's a fellow hero, but also he never even acknowledges her being strong to him, all he's saying is that she's destructive and trains hard. That's it.

if he said that she must’ve trained really hard and that he couldnt contain her, then he is calling her strong, this came from the guy that can speedblitz and one shot everyone in the verse.

being called strong 3 times by a much inferior saitama that never faced a multicontinental character before

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

Me stopping by to see yet another boros discussion

It's almost like there is a separate thread made specifically for this purpose

 

[ZillertheBucko]

Saitama entire character is developed about him being someone emotionless and tired about annoying battles, if he’s having fun with tats and that’s mentioned by SAITAMA HIMSELF, then it’s definetely simething relevant to mention.

4-A king for playing video games with Saitama