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Rule Violation Reports (New forum)

ImmortalDread said:
No, he did not. Bambu dropped a warning at his 8th contribution, he still did not do any edits after the warning.
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It said fourth at the time of the warning drop, which means he is going a little crazy with the edits, having done four in the time since I began writing the message to sending it. I'll look into it.
 
He apologized and willing to cooperate in the profile wall.

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Mr._Bambu said:
Yeah, the edits themselves varied- some were definite rule violations, but others used as evidence were comparatively very light. I'd consider the deleting of staff warnings to be a more worrying offense, and must wonder if the problem is less the editing of profiles and more just not respecting our rules in general. If he was warned for any similar behavior in the past, a short ban may be in order, I think.

Still, if we are overall decided on just an editing ban, I support the notion, I think mid-length serves our purposes given the count and in addition to the "ignoring staff warnings" bit. Kneejerk number, since this appears to be what Agnaa is fishing for here, 3-6 months of being disallowed from editing mainspace.
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I wasn't so much fishing for a number, I presumed it'd just be indefinite.

I've now left a notification for a 6 month editing restriction.
 
Agnaa said:
I wasn't so much fishing for a number, I presumed it'd just be indefinite.

I've now left a notification for a 6 month editing restriction.
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I see. It may be that the inclusion of edits that aren't rule violations is making me perceive this more generously than I usually would- noting that, I'm open to longer or indefinite if you'd prefer that?
 
Deagonx said:
We usually perma-ban in such cases, yeah?
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Last time we did not. So, not sure, I cited all fandom regulations and ours in this post.

But this has gotten out of hand. Fandom literally treats it as equivalent to the n-word, and this is a serious offense. We should either adhere to this in all cases or handle it on a case-by-case basis, and I prefer the former.
 
ZillertheBucko said:
Since I’m related to this, I’m just gonna say that me and Coom know eachother well, and I wouldn’t have even considered reporting this, despite being the one he said it to
but rules are rules I guess? This is all very sudden.
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Users should know better. This isn't a place for inside jokes if they violate our rules.
 
Let’s not act like this isn’t insane for a minute
I mean, the very least you coulda done was give a few minutes to get his discord or something
I mean clearly he didn’t know that there was a rule where saying that once would be an instant and permanent ban, saying “he knows the rules” is a wild claim
I’m not gonna argue to unban him or anything, but just, geez dude
 
ZillertheBucko said:
but rules are rules I guess? This is all very sudden.
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Not that I am involved, but I don't want users here to see this conversation and perceive it as an unfair case or “mod abuse”.

This rule has been a thing for years since 2016. (since creation to be precise)

In no dictionary can this be defined as “sudden”.
 
InfiniteDay said:
without even letting him or Ziller respond first?
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Your comment was deleted as you're not staff nor are you the reported party, but this sentiment gets expressed often so I'll address it. In the absolute best case scenario the only mitigating information that could be offered was "I was joking and we're friends." There's no real reason to wait around for that kind of info because, as we showed above, our rules don't change in that circumstance. You can't tell people to kill themselves on this forum, period.
 
By the way, I haven't seen Ziller's comment when I posted. And Ziller not being offended is good news at least, but being good friends is still not an excuse for violating Fandom TOS combined with the fact that Coomander has still been warned/banned multiple times before (Though maybe for other reasons but this is still not a positive influence). I could see proposals to shorten it with his reason being "Making a suicide remark" as opposed to outright encouragement, but it is still not something we can take lightly unless we want Fandom staff to step in and just permaban anyway and having them scold us for letting it slide.
 
DarkDragonMedeus said:
By the way, I haven't seen Ziller's comment when I posted. And Ziller not being offended is good news at least, but being good friends is still not an excuse for violating Fandom TOS combined with the fact that Coomander has still been warned/banned multiple times before (Though maybe for other reasons but this is still not a positive influence). I could see proposals to shorten it with his reason being "Making a suicide remark" as opposed to outright encouragement, but it is still not something we can take lightly unless we want Fandom staff to step in and just permaban anyway and having them scold us for letting it slide.
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Then, if I may ask, why the similiar case prior to this is excluded and excused? When I approached a report against the same exact offense here, it got rejected because of the defense, and @Deagonx already explained why it is irrelevant.

I am talking about this case:
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Rule Violation Reports (New forum)

I am fine with being considered wrong as long as we also see Eldemades intentions. You both participated in slight banter after some debate. That much is undeniable. However, your outburst would be the one to cross the line. At worst, my advise for Elde is to avoid said banter with people he...
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And the user had previous offenses such as warnings and temp bans. I can confidently say, there is no significant difference and I would like the case to be re-evaluated.
 
ImmortalDread said:
Then, if I may ask, why the case prior to this is excluded and excused? Since when I approached a report against the same exact offense here, it got rejected because of the defense, and @Deagonx already explained why it is irrelevant.

I am talking about this case:
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Rule Violation Reports (New forum)

I am fine with being considered wrong as long as we also see Eldemades intentions. You both participated in slight banter after some debate. That much is undeniable. However, your outburst would be the one to cross the line. At worst, my advise for Elde is to avoid said banter with people he...
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Monkeman wasn't even banned iirc, though I may misremember. And I also don't entirely remember Coomander's full history, the name sounds familiar as someone I recall getting reported and banned for hostile/toxic behavior towards Damage. I know, case by case scenario but the post getting removed is a bare minimum yes. And I am open for second opinions.
 
Well ignoring the fact that it's none of your business and you aren't staff (thus you really shouldn't be here anyway), the reason I haven't been perma banned for that is because it was a very blatant joke to someone that knew it was a joke and didn't care, and I also only had one major offense two months ago, which even then only resulted in a one month ban.
Also, I got a serious warning from two Admins for it, which I saw and accepted, so I'm confused as to how this is supposed to be comparable to what Coomandar did.
 
DarkDragonMedeus said:
Monkeman wasn't even banned iirc, though I may misremember.
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He was temporary banned for 1 month. @Deagonx, @Crabwhale, @Mr._Bambu can vouch this.

But what is the point? The rule itself excludes the relevance of someone's history. And @Deagonx already described it perfectly that even defenses are not included:
Deagonx said:
Your comment was deleted as you're not staff nor are you the reported party, but this sentiment gets expressed often so I'll address it. In the absolute best case scenario the only mitigating information that could be offered was "I was joking and we're friends." There's no real reason to wait around for that kind of info because, as we showed above, our rules don't change in that circumstance. You can't tell people to kill themselves on this forum, period.
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It is treated the same as n-word from the perspective of our rules and Fandom off-site regulations.
 
I also don't recall seeing anyone get banned for saying that before I and Coomandar said it, so I don't know how I was really supposed to know about that rule and remember it, but what ever.
 
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