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@UdlmasterRegular members aren't allowed to post in this Rule Violation Reports thread, unless they are making a report here, have direct involvement in a report, or have relevant information about a report that has not been brought up yet, in order to not derail or delay the processing of the reports, or worse instigate further rule violations. Repeated violations will be followed with a strict warning, followed by a threadban for one week to a site ban for some duration, depending on the severity of their conduct.
Yes. The aforementioned parties are to be staff members. Not anyone with an opinion.Unbiased, uninvolved parties looking in with fresh eyes is exactly what a report thread needs, not people involved who already have feelings on the matter.
Immediate thread ban. Good job!Actually, I have permission to be here, see
I don't have anything to say about the link, but I will say that his original post was deleted unfairly. Let me highlight something in the exact quote that you provided.Immediate thread ban. Good job!
This is the post in question. Read it again very carefully.Regular members aren't allowed to post in this Rule Violation Reports thread, unless they are making a report here, have direct involvement in a report, or have relevant information about a report that has not been brought up yet, in order to not derail or delay the processing of the reports, or worse instigate further rule violations. Repeated violations will be followed with a strict warning, followed by a threadban for one week to a site ban for some duration, depending on the severity of their conduct.
instigate further rule violations
There is no rule that suggests a person cannot give their opinion while presenting context in this thread, staff or not.I was responding to his immediate post above mine. I honestly had no opinion on the initial report, since I hadn't even started reading the stuff. However, I overall still agree with Deagonx, because he could've just left the context and that's it. Instead, he proceeded to give judgement on the situation instead of letting it up to staff, which comes to this:
We see it time and time again. Could it have been handled better? Of course. But then, instead of being reasonable, he proceeded to make the situation worse. Proving the point.
Edit: That said, if other staff when they see this disagree with my threadban, I won't contest it.
Nah, don't worry, I figured it was at both ayyYou'll have to excuse me for that. I haven't posted anything in years.
Sorry for my presence here, but now the issue for Udlmaster has been settled (i think), we should focus on this nowI'm reporting @ImmortalDread for her actions in the following threads. Do note, the threads arerightfullyclosed, but I have been busy and unable to post here.
An important note is the validity of the threads does not matter as both threads were closed and rejected. I even disagreed with the first thread and debated with the person who made the thread @Marshadow29.
Dread started her comments on the thread by saying something contradictory to what is currently accepted with the following post. She then went on to agree with @Chasekilleen's post, notably this post was not relevant to the topic and derailing the thread. Chase himself even agreed to take the argument to a new thread. When I posted letting Chase, Dread and the others know that this was derailing the thread, Dread responded with this post. Upon which I responded how the thread was not about the topic Chase brought up and thus was indeed derailing. DO note as well, that there is a discussion rule about the topic Chase, Dread, and Hasty were talking about. Dread continues to attempt to derail this thread with the following posts by claiming that information that we currently accept as true (from another CRT) is wrong and basically demanding we give the proof. Dread even says she does not care about the CRT that is accepted and demands the proof anyway. Do note, Regidian and I were attempting multiple times to get Dread to stop derailing despite her adamant refusal not to. I did not grab every single one of Dread's post, but basically every post made in the thread was derailing.
In the next thread that was posted, Dread immediately posted the following, seemingly to start the same derailment as above again.
In summation, the user @ImmortalDread repeatedly attempted to derail at least one thread with statements contradictory to currently accepted CRTs, refusal to accept that she was derailing, and demanding Regidian or I to give her scans and proof that are already accepted in previous threads. As a reminder, the person who started the derailment said he was fine with taking it to another thread, despite this Dread continued her own derailment.
I'm asking for someone to give Dread a warning to stop derailing threads, especially with information that is contradictory to accepted information for the verse.
Unfortunately, my report does not end there. I'm also bringing to attention @Marshadow29. Marshadow has been downright spamming attempts at upgrading Nasuverse, all of which were rejected, except the one that is currently still active.
https://vsbattles.com/threads/8d-earth-nasuverse.152689/
https://vsbattles.com/threads/nasuverse-earth-9-10-d-upgrade.152460/
https://vsbattles.com/threads/infinite-hierarchy-inside-the-root.152217/
https://vsbattles.com/threads/root-changes-and-possible-high-1-a-upgrade.151707/
https://vsbattles.com/threads/aoko-1-c-upgrade.152400/ (ongoing)
These threads also led into each other upon rejection. The two Root threads were made the same time as another rejected Root thread was being discussed. The Root threads started with possible high 1-A, leading to @Tdjwo's thread and Marshadow's other Root thread. The 8D Earth thread was made in response to the 9D/10D thread being rejected. The 8D Earth thread used much of the same justification as the previous thread. These two threads (seem to be) made in response to a comment in the Aoko thread. I say seem to be as I have no proof. Regardless, we Nasuverse fans are tired of the constant Tier 1 spam by Marshadow. Between him and @Tdjwo we have had like 8 Tier 1 Nasu threads. We are requesting he be given a warning or just a staff ask him to chill out.
As I am writing this, I notice that Marshadow has continued the 8D Earth thread in Staff Discussion.
Oh no.I restored Udlmaster's post, but given that he was trolling a bit in the following post, I think that a 1 week thread ban is appropriate to keep.
Anyway, is it fine if we reduce 1Nairove's Fandom wiki block to 1 month then?
Also, @ImmortalDread is a generally very helpful and productive member, but what kept them from becoming a part of our staff during our recent staff recruitment survey is just this well-intended but disruptive tendency to interrupt and mini-moderate discussions even when it is not useful and no new information is brought up. As such, I do not think that a warning to them is warranted, but an instruction to only contribute in this manner when it is genuinely useful might be appropriate.
Thank you, but this isn't something I plan on making a part of my life again. I've no worthwhile reason to return here permanently, and even if I did have a worthwhile reason, I still wouldn't. This isn't my home anymore.Anyway, please send me a message if you want to help out regularly as a part of our staff again, @MrKingOfNegativity .
Crucially, Udl was not providing context. If he had been, I would have left the post up. You instructed us to re-read his post carefully, but in turn I ask you to do the same: He was very clearly working solely off of the information provided in the report, he was not providing additional background details and was simply giving his opinion on the situation.There is no rule that suggests a person cannot give their opinion while presenting context in this thread, staff or not.
If you'll be so kind as to read the very message above your own, you'll notice that I said we're not people's goddamn thought police. We aren't here to silence opinions you don't like fron people who mildly annoy you.Im reporting Witchakorn
just take a look https://vsbattles.com/threads/jimmy-hopkins-vs-akabane-karma.144279/#post-5683473
Hisconstantly saying irrelevant topics at the thread despite all the warnings given to him.
Crab, your perspective is sympathetic here, but please. Slow down.If you'll be so kind as to read the very message above your own, you'll notice that I said we're not people's goddamn thought police. We aren't here to silence opinions you don't like fron people who mildly annoy you.
The most the user in question can be accused of doing is being slightly rude, and even that's a stretch, since they're not insulting anyone directly. They aren't even swearing.
In the future, how's about you utilize your own wits and maturity to come to an understanding with someone, instead of saying "**** it" and pressing the moderator button.
Apologies, I did wager whether the message was a bit too mean-spirited to post or not.Crab, your perspective is sympathetic here, but please. Slow down.
Well perhaps my judgement on the veracity of derailing such a thread was affected somewhat by the fact that there's two banned users there. It isn't relevant to the report, but it does present an initial glum view of the proceedings.They reported the user because of thread derailment. Looking at the thread myself, it seems less like active, intentional derailment to me and more like just being confused on site standards and the relevancy of the topic. But it isn't unusual or unprecedented for people to be reported for derailment. In this case, the reporter spoke to the person on the thread bringing up the irrelevant topic, tried to explain to them that it was irrelevant, and they doubled-down on it. While I'm not convinced it's intentional or active derailment, if you see someone who you believe is both derailing a thread and insisting on doing so, bringing it to the RVR isn't unusual.
Perhaps. I do agree I'm inclined to treat VS thread derailments far less severely than wiki management, staff discussion or CRT derailments. I'm also rather known for my crass and blunt manner. Combine the two and you get what seems like a dismissive response. I admit I could have worded it better.I believe the previous report you examined is affecting your judgement here. They did not warrant this response for, all things considered, a rather simple and understandable report.
I can give a proper response to this later, but as for Dread. The scans Dread was asking about weren't relevant to the topic in the CRT. Hence why we asked her to bring it up elsewhere to prevent further derailment.Well, this devolved into an absolute fustercluck. So I'll completely ignore that and focus on the actual report.
@Mageman460 With respect, the arguments you've brought up hold about as much water as a sieve, especially in Dread's case. Yes, its your job to provide scans. No, not everyone can be bothered to dig through infinity gazllionth previous threads to find them. At the absolute, absolute most, Dread was acting a little confrontational. If we handed out punishments for users doing that in this forum, we'd run out of people very quickly.
As for Marshadow, his attempts don't appear to be the exact same thing every time. And users are entitled to make threads on different topics or on the same topics but discussing them differently.
We're not gonna give out warnings just because some people are personally annoying you and your buddies. We aren't your thought police.
If you do not want to be accused of mocking, then don't. Or perhaps you prefer this example. Not all of your statements were mocking yes, but you did indeed mock and belittle attempts to inform you of derailment. If you really want the CRT or scans for the accepted stuff, you could check the pages of the relevant characters or ask in the proper locations that I had suggested. Also as a note, I did mean to send them to you ... I was just forgetful and busy. I was on mobile for the entire conversation and then when I finally got to my PC the thread was closed iirc. So here are the threads in question.Mocking? Hold up, when you refuse to send a scan to prove your claim, and you constantly push the burden on me to check a whole CRT, then I will be a bit confrontational about this. In matter of fact, I got clowned there in that thread, and as well as in discord servers.
And yet, till now, no one of you send me the evidence and instead “it has been accepted, look at CRT (not even linking the CRT)".
Don't accuse me for mocking next time. If you want to get respect, then at least earn it. And I was fairly respectful there, but had an aggressive tone for a bit.
I can confirm this. Dread was bullied by most Nasu fans on discord just because she disagreed with them.I got clowned there in that thread, and as well as in discord servers.
So about this?Anyway, is it fine if we reduce 1Nairove's Fandom wiki block to 1 month then?