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After asking Fandom about the issue, I have some updates regarding Cloudyagami and Steezstifler.
"Hello.
We (the VS Battles wiki staff) are strongly considering to ban the following accounts for systematically inserting unreliable information, and need help to identify if they seem to be used by the same person in order to make a proper decision. Help would be very appreciated regarding this issue.
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/Cloudyagami
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/Steezstifler
Thanks in advance for any help.
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"Hi there,
Thank you for reaching out to Fandom Support. I was able to find matching IP activity from both of these users, which suggests they are either the same user or are using the same IP address. I was not able to find any matching account information.
All the best
Kimberton
Customer Support Specialist
She/Her"
So for how long should we ban both accounts?
"Hello.
We (the VS Battles wiki staff) are strongly considering to ban the following accounts for systematically inserting unreliable information, and need help to identify if they seem to be used by the same person in order to make a proper decision. Help would be very appreciated regarding this issue.
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/Cloudyagami
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/Steezstifler
Thanks in advance for any help.
""Hi there,
Thank you for reaching out to Fandom Support. I was able to find matching IP activity from both of these users, which suggests they are either the same user or are using the same IP address. I was not able to find any matching account information.
All the bestKimberton
Customer Support Specialist
She/Her"
So for how long should we ban both accounts?
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Isnt maliciously using 2 accounts at the same time permaworthy?
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Well, I think that he has applied a lot of unallowed edits, so probably, yes.
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Okay. Are you willing to handle it please?
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Exactly, if we count the amount of warnings and bans that have been given to Cloudyagami and he has not come to his senses and now with the other user who seems to be the same and making trolls edits and the same unprofessional behavior, I think the permaban is guaranteed.
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"midly" annoy doesn't cut it. I've already tried explaining him why he should stop but he wont.
Aside from saying I lack "common sense".
That's what I literally tried doing on the thread. I was constantly trying to diffuse the situation but they just wont listen. I did not just immediately report him, I tried convincing but he wont listen. I've already tried that for days in that thread and I had enough
I suggest you use your "own wits and maturity" and have a better understanding at the situation, rather than accusing me for being immature.
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Reverted the edits and left them a message.
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If they're abusing multiple accounts with the intention of agreeing with themselves and/or making unruly edits, then that is grounds for a permanent ban.After asking Fandom about the issue, I have some updates regarding Cloudyagami and Steezstifler.
"Hello.
We (the VS Battles wiki staff) are strongly considering to ban the following accounts for systematically inserting unreliable information, and need help to identify if they seem to be used by the same person in order to make a proper decision. Help would be very appreciated regarding this issue.
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/Cloudyagami
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/Steezstifler
Thanks in advance for any help.
"Hi there,
Thank you for reaching out to Fandom Support. I was able to find matching IP activity from both of these users, which suggests they are either the same user or are using the same IP address. I was not able to find any matching account information.
Kimberton
Customer Support Specialist
She/Her"
So for how long should we ban both accounts?
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I nuked the thread and warned the OP in my reason.
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Thank you very much for helping out.
However, as an administrator you can more easily revert several edits by a single member by clicking the rollback button in the edit history for a wiki page, and if there are edits from several different members that all need to be reverted, you can click on (go to) the stored version of an affected page in its history section right before the bad edits began, and then click edit and save. It is a much easier and workable method than handling the edits one by one.
Thank you for helping out to you as well.
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I'd like to report @Tatsumi504 for the following reason.
Recently, Anos Voldigoad's page was reuploaded to VSBW, having added type 1 conceptual manipulation to the page as a part of the update. However, his CM was previously accepted as being only type 3 in this thread, so I made a downgrade thread to rectify that. As @Tatsumi504 explains here (image saved here in case they delete), they changed it back to type 1 simply because they believed that the downgrade was wrong, saying that they didn't need to make an upgrade CRT as a result. Essentially, they are ignoring staff consensus and making upgrades that have previously been rejected. It should also be noted that Anos' profile was uploaded without a CRT, so this upgrade was done without any sort of analysis or approval from staff.
TL;DR: Tatsumi admits to ignoring accepted upgrades and inserting what they think is true with 0 staff oversight. Probably needs a strong warning or short term ban.
Recently, Anos Voldigoad's page was reuploaded to VSBW, having added type 1 conceptual manipulation to the page as a part of the update. However, his CM was previously accepted as being only type 3 in this thread, so I made a downgrade thread to rectify that. As @Tatsumi504 explains here (image saved here in case they delete), they changed it back to type 1 simply because they believed that the downgrade was wrong, saying that they didn't need to make an upgrade CRT as a result. Essentially, they are ignoring staff consensus and making upgrades that have previously been rejected. It should also be noted that Anos' profile was uploaded without a CRT, so this upgrade was done without any sort of analysis or approval from staff.
TL;DR: Tatsumi admits to ignoring accepted upgrades and inserting what they think is true with 0 staff oversight. Probably needs a strong warning or short term ban.
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I don't mind all the Tatsumi stuff, but can you show me where a Tier 3 profile needs a CRT to be published? Only 1-A or tier 1 profiles need CRT's to be created.
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I didn't say that, my point is that Tatsumi took a profile and changed a downgraded stat to something explicitly rejected despite not getting approval.
Imagine if I took, say, Yukari's profile, reworked it, and added plot manipulation despite that being shot down by staff. Would that not be a bit underhanded?
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He agrees that this is underhanded, but the point is that Anos did not need a CRT to have his profile created. This is exclusively for like, 1-A stuff
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Lmao. The downgrade applies only to the WN profile it has nothing to do with the newly created LN profile.
In the first place, confirmation was received from @DontTalkDT that the premise of the CRT is wrong- wasn't addressed directly but indirectly.
The premise of the CRT was that the concept governs only one thing and as such is a personal concept. DT confirmed that a concept governing only one thing doesn't make it a personal concept which voids the entire CRT and as I mentioned above, the CRT has nothing do with the current profile. The WN profiles were scrapped and it's strictly LN profiles now.
Yes I'm ignoring staff consensus that was wrong and doesn't even apply to the current profile so what exactly was previously rejected if LN profiles never existed to have a CRT done for them? Why is there a valid reason that I should take the word of the likes of @Planck69 who admittedly wasn't knowledgeable & @Maverick_Zero_X who literally only commented once, didn't return to the thread along with other staff who weren't knowledgeable on the topic over that of the author of the page in the first place?
Since when were CRT's needed to create profiles? The profile isn't even tier 1.
PS: I might not be available to reply to any inquiries for like a week from today so not hearing from me during that period isn't equal to me absconding
In the first place, confirmation was received from @DontTalkDT that the premise of the CRT is wrong- wasn't addressed directly but indirectly.
The premise of the CRT was that the concept governs only one thing and as such is a personal concept. DT confirmed that a concept governing only one thing doesn't make it a personal concept which voids the entire CRT and as I mentioned above, the CRT has nothing do with the current profile. The WN profiles were scrapped and it's strictly LN profiles now.
Yes I'm ignoring staff consensus that was wrong and doesn't even apply to the current profile so what exactly was previously rejected if LN profiles never existed to have a CRT done for them? Why is there a valid reason that I should take the word of the likes of @Planck69 who admittedly wasn't knowledgeable & @Maverick_Zero_X who literally only commented once, didn't return to the thread along with other staff who weren't knowledgeable on the topic over that of the author of the page in the first place?
Since when were CRT's needed to create profiles? The profile isn't even tier 1.
PS: I might not be available to reply to any inquiries for like a week from today so not hearing from me during that period isn't equal to me absconding
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You are admitting that we need a CRT to make a tier 3 profile....
You only have to make a downgrade thread... I understand tatsumi when he says that the LN is not entirely the same as the WN because I already noticed many feats that cannot be used due to the change in the translation. Either way i'm not involving myslf in this.
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A rework is clearly different from an entirely new profile based on separate content
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So, again, you are admitting to ignoring staff decisions and just substituting your own abilities based on what you think is right or wrong?
Ah, I see what the issue is. I meant that a CRT should've been made for giving Anos type 1 CM, since it was previously rejected. I don't mean a CRT should've been made for the profile rework (if it excluded the CM1 stuff).
The scans used to explain what a source is have remain unchanged from the two profiles. You can see here that the scans used predate the current profile by quite a long time. That aside, the LN has far less content than the WN, so there's even less evidence for type 1 CM.
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Since when we need to make an upgrade thread for a new profile?
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This argument is mood, the profile is new and has absolutely nothing with previous profile.
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Since you readded an ability that was overwhelmingly rejected.
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An ability from series and a new version that has nothing to do with other?
Which type of argument is this?
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Dread, the LN pages uses the exact same scans as the original page. So let me ask you this: Does the LN english translation have any new - as in, not found in the WN/MTL LN - context that would support type 1 concepts?
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Irrelevant to this current discussion.
LN version is different to WN.
And the profile is new and not re-created. So once, again what are you here reporting for?
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I hate to comment here as non staff but this isn't the place to argue about if the report is valid or not. Lets leave it to staff to decide if it is worthy of a warning or not.
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Anos is NOT new, you have to be ******* trolling. 99% of what is on his profile is stuff that was previously accepted and added to his old profile. And if LN is different from WN, then why are you using the same scans between the two?
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I don't know if this is report worthy, but still...
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If what Fujiwara is saying is true (I'd like other Anus Voidgold fans to confirm or deny whether the WN and LN use the same scans or not, that is the crux of the issue), then Fujiwara has a legitimate complaint. The problem is that this complaint is steeped in verse specific knowledge- are both characters dependent on these scans, were the matters tackled in the mentioned CRT meant for both versions of the character, etc.
If the answer is yes to these questions, then Fujiwara is 100% correct for making a report.
If the answer is yes to these questions, then Fujiwara is 100% correct for making a report.
Schizo shit, I'll close it. @eliaspower1234 Do this sorta thing in Fun and Games.
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Using the same scans cannot be, because all the debate and downgrade happened long before Anos' profile was deleted and all the new scans are based on the LN and are completely recent.
The most that can be argued is that usually the LN are improvements of the WN and therefore must share practically the same explanation only retouched by the LN, which is true because many explanations and scans have been different from the WN (some feats can be used as before and some cannot because of the change in translation), only information from the WN was used in the previous downgrade and never from the LN.
So both can have some validation.
Tatsumi for trying to bring an ability with content completely unique to the LN.
And Fujiwara for saying that it has similarities between the 2 versions and it was downgraded.
In the same way, there is already a respective thread where the downgrade is being discussed to see if it pass or not.
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They went to DT's wall to ask a question about how personal concepts work, he said they can be type 1 so they reverted the previous CM downgrade without making a further CRT. They discussed it extensively on discord too and as a group decided source qualified for type 1 so there was no need for a CRT for some reason. Regardless of if the standards had changed or not a new CRT should have been created. The explanation used to justify type 1 is exactly the same as it was on his old profile even if the scans might be different.
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