Awarding Boruto Many Success Achievements Via Shippuden Achievements Of Success

[GTsek]

My bad about the scans, I thought if I clicked on their name I would be sent to their page on the site...

Anyway, I have problems with 4-C. First, no one of Isshiki's attacks could break a single bone from Naruto and Sasuke, or even one-shot them, and he was even slightly injured by the base Naruto's kick, as well as having his body destroyed by Pre-Fruid Kaguya... That is, a High 4-C character unable to deal destructive damage and can be hurt by 5-B characters? something is wrong, he wanted to kill both of them, but still his attacks didn't do that and he used the stakes to do serious damage, the stakes literally ignore durability, it was clear that this was his method of dealing heavy damage to the duo, and there's no way to be a simple PIS, since they are more than a demonstration. Anyway, I saw the statement and it seems to be exclusive to Boruto, regarding Jigen, it doesn't even say that he's the "strongest they've ever faced", and not even that he's the "strongest in history", it just says "the strongest and worst" doesn't even mention that it's in relation to everyone they faced. "5-B, Far higher in Ootsutsuki Isshiki real form" should be suficient.

 

[SuperStar]

I'm currently at the gym

Based

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

Sakura and Shin being 2 times stronger than Hagomoro is a no for me.

 

[UltimatePharaoh]

I do also wanna to to say that i think peoples feelings for some of stupid ass scaling is valid, it is stupid BUT

I do find it strange that people cant believe that characters with enough training can reach six paths level but conveniently forget Might Guy with a few decades of training nearly erased six paths madara off the map.

why I'm being dragged into this, but anyways did you forget that the guy who trained for decades is just Base Guy who's currently at only Town level a ******* Town Level, and he's only temporarily reaching six paths realm through using a Legendary Forbidden Jutsu and utilize it to it's maximum that literally take his ******* life away as a drawback and make his own blood vaporize from every single spot in his body.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Which form of Madara was that?

One-Eyed Jūbidara without the God Tree absorbed.

 

[Darsh748]

Here’s my thoughts: if you think the scaling is stupid, fine. Whatever. That’s your opinion. But it doesn’t debunk or devalue the feats.

Is it wacky that the Kage became Ōtsutsuki level? Sure. But they have feats putting them at Ōtsutsuki level, so they scale to Ōtsutsuki level.

It being wacky isn’t an argument against it.

It being weird isn’t an argument against it.

Just calling it bad isn’t an argument against it.

The feats are there. Y’all need to actually debunk those, spamming arguments of incredulity aren’t helping you here.

We can scale Ku, Mitsuki and old Onoki to level otsutsuki with this logic too, until the 7 kids of the mist

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

My bad about the scans, I thought if I clicked on their name I would be sent to their page on the site...

Anyway, I have problems with 4-C. First, no one of Isshiki's attacks could break a single bone from Naruto and Sasuke, or even one-shot them, and he was even slightly injured by the base Naruto's kick, as well as having his body destroyed by Pre-Fruid Kaguya... That is, a High 4-C character unable to deal destructive damage and can be hurt by 5-B characters? something is wrong, he wanted to kill both of them, but still his attacks didn't do that and he used the stakes to do serious damage, the stakes literally ignore durability, it was clear that this was his method of dealing heavy damage to the duo, and there's no way to be a simple PIS, since they are more than a demonstration. Anyway, I saw the statement and it seems to be exclusive to Boruto, regarding Jigen, it doesn't even say that he's the "strongest they've ever faced", and not even that he's the "strongest in history", it just says "the strongest and worst" doesn't even mention that it's in relation to everyone they faced. "5-B, Far higher in Ootsutsuki Isshiki real form" should be suficient.

This is a blatant misrepresentation of the fight. Isshiki verbatim states that he’s trying to get Kawaki’s location out of them. The only reason he doesn’t kill Naruto or Sasuke is because he needs them to spill the beans on where Kawaki is. He could’ve killed both of them whenever he so chose, but he was trying to get them to reveal Kawaki’s location. That’s all shown and stated in the fight itself.

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

Okay, so......here's the thing.

It's no secret that I'm not a fan of Boruto. In fact, I'd even go as far to say that I ******* hate the series with a burning passion. So what I'm about to say isn't coming from a place of bias towards the series, believe me.

I see where you guys are coming from, I really, really do. The New Era Kage scaling above Madara and Hashirama, let alone the goddamn Sage of Six Paths, is actually just......mind numbingly dumb. It completely breaks all logic and pre-established world-building/lore of the world, and is just trash power-scaling. I ******* hate it.

With that being said, it's hard to simply dismiss blatant feats when they are clearly deliberate.
Let me put something into perspective for y'all. The Kage fought Kinshiki and Momoshiki, in more or less the exact same fashion, in literally FIVE different mediums. We have the original Boruto movie, the movie's novelization, Ultimate Ninja Storm 4, the Boruto manga, and finally the Boruto anime.
FIVE different adaptations helmed by entirely different teams, and all of them chose to portray the fight in, more or less, the exact same way. There are some differences here and there, and of course not all of these are canon, but the point is that the publisher and the people behind Boruto as a whole made the conscious decision to portray the Kage in this way.

Power-cliffing is an unfortunate trope in battle-manga. I personally hate it because it makes the world-building and scaling completely whacky, but it exists, unfortunately. We have to deal with it. We can't just ignore blatant feats and portrayal, simply because we don't like them.

Trust me, I HIGHLY doubt any of you actually hate this more than I do, given my loathing for this series and my love for the OG one. If I can accept it, so can you.

 

[Mazdoesstuff]

Also where does 4-C come from for Isshiki? Is there some multiplier, or what

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

One-Eyed Jūbidara without the God Tree absorbed.

One eyed Juubidara isn’t inherently a GT, I proposed him downscaling but I’m not inherently sold on it being objective, so if that’s an antifeat for Juubidara with a single Rinnegan then I’m not torn up over it.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

why I'm being dragged into this, but anyways did you forget that the guy who trained for decades is just Base Guy who's currently at only Town level a ******* Town Level, and he's only temporarily reaching six paths realm through using a Legendary Forbidden Jutsu and utilize it to it's maximum that literally take his ******* life away as a drawback and make his own blood vaporize from every single spot in his body.

legendary Forbidden Jutsu

every single living thing in naruto has those eight gates, the only difference between Guy and fodder Ninja is that Might Guy trained his ass off.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Also where does 4-C come from for Isshiki? Is there some multiplier, or what

I explain it in the linked scans for Isshiki and in the spoiler section for Isshiki.

 

[Damage3245]

We can't just ignore blatant feats and portrayal, simply because we don't like them.

We literally can. We do it all the time.

EDIT: Man... People took this out of context.

 

[GTsek]

This is a blatant misrepresentation of the fight. Isshiki verbatim states that he’s trying to get Kawaki’s location out of them. The only reason he doesn’t kill Naruto or Sasuke is because he needs them to spill the beans on where Kawaki is. He could’ve killed both of them whenever he so chose, but he was trying to get them to reveal Kawaki’s location. That’s all shown and stated in the fight itself.

No, he literally says the plan was to kill the 2 right there, and with the 2 dead, the village people would have to reveal the Kawaki's location.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

We literally can. We do it all the time.

That doesn’t justify ignoring the Kage’s only portrayal.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

No, he literally says the plan was to kill the 2 right there, and with the 2 dead, the village people would have to reveal the Kawaki's location.

Not at all because it isn’t until mid way through the fight does he say he’ll kill Sasuke.

 

[UltimatePharaoh]

Honestly, My Scaling to the verse solves all those problems but I don't care to explain it cause I will gain nothing by doing so except headache.

 

[Mazdoesstuff]

I explain it in the linked scans for Isshiki and in the spoiler section for Isshiki.

Nvm I have issues with that: Kaguya’s High 4-C rating comes from a sheer hax ability from her ETSB, something that doesn’t scale to her physicals whatsoever

Even if Isshiki is massively above Kaguya the logic simply isn’t valid imo, you can’t scale him above a hax ability just because he’s superior to Kaguya

 

[Galvino]

Good work, I agree with everything fra!

5-B = Base Naruto < Base Jigen < Karma Jigen >~ SPSM KCM Naruto

One detail I find iffy though is that you're saying full power naruto is comparable to karma jigen? I'm not sure I agree since it seemed to me full power naruto always got stomped by karma jigen and maybe was comparable to base jigen at best.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Nvm I have issues with that: Kaguya’s High 4-C rating comes from a sheer hax ability from her ETSB, something that doesn’t scale to her physicals whatsoever

Even if Isshiki is massively above Kaguya the logic simply isn’t valid imo, you can’t scale him above a hax ability just because he’s superior to Kaguya

I’m not proposing Isshiki > ETSO based on superiority to Kaguya. Please read my Isshiki section carefully, the imgur as well, I explain it in depth.

 

[Gokukid2005]

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Spoiler: Sasuke

Logically Sasuke is probably stronger than BSM Naruto in The Last since in every other era he’s more so a rival to SPSM KCM Naruto. That being said, there’s literally no statements or feats to concretely label Sasuke’s power in The Last outside of “he’s probably still rivaling Naruto”. Hence why I am leaving him out of the scaling here. I guess he can simply scale to his teenage self since he's been out and about staying active with missions.

The Last Sasuke = 78.2 ZT (5-B)

Spoiler: Sasuke

There's this statement from The Last Naruto Movie Novel that states Sasuke was the strongest of Kakashi's students at that point in time.
It could make sense as Sasuke isn't hindered by the Village and is travelling around the world and beyond honing his abilities and the Rinnegan.

All in all it could just mean by the time they reach adulthood, and after the events of Gaiden, Naruto is able to shake off the rust and catch up again.

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Spoiler: Majestic Attire scaling?

Another thing
In one of the promotional material for Boruto, it states Majestic Attire Susanoo is the "Strongest Ninjutsu".
Can this be used to put it above ETSO?

 

[GTsek]

Not at all because it isn’t until mid way through the fight does he say he’ll kill Sasuke.

I can't send scans right now, but on page 10 of chapter 50 it mentions exactly what I said.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

We literally can. We do it all the time.

This is whataboutism
just because other people did it, doesnt mean it's correct.

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

We literally can. We do it all the time.

I don't know about you, but I personally don't. I try to index most feats and showings, and make them work within the established scaling, so long as they're not blatantly contradicted in the series.
If y'all want to dismiss this, you'll have to present a counterargument that has the Kage's anti-feats.

 

[Damage3245]

Unfortunately that does not refute their scaling.

If you want to talk about "off-guard", then Naruto was extremely off-guard when Shin manipulated Sasuke's sword into stabbing him. He didn't even seem aware of it at first.

 

[LordTracer]

If you want to talk about "off-guard", then Naruto when extremely off-guard when Shin manipulated Sasuke's sword into stabbing him. He didn't even seem aware of it at first.

Shin still scales to Sasuke, so honestly, you could remove that and it’d change nothing.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

If you want to talk about "off-guard", then Naruto was extremely off-guard when Shin manipulated Sasuke's sword into stabbing him. He didn't even seem aware of it at first.

Yeah I can remove that justification, Shin still impaled an on guard Sasuke, and Naruto did admit he’d have to go all out.

 

[Damage3245]

I don't know about you, but I personally don't. I try to index most feats and showings, and make them work within the established scaling, so long as they're not blatantly contradicted in the series.
If y'all want to dismiss this, you'll have to present a counterargument that has the Kage's anti-feats.

By "We", I mean VS Battles Wiki as a whole. Didn't mean you. The number of times over the years when I've seen people just dismiss anti-feats for the sake of their scaling is too high to even count.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

By "We", I mean VS Battles Wiki as a whole. Didn't mean you. The number of times over the years when I've seen people just dismiss anti-feats for the sake of their scaling is too high to even count.

If the Kage had anti feats I wouldn’t propose their scaling, but the only fight they’re in is vs Kinshiki and Momoshiki. I don’t see the anti feats we are ignoring.

 

[UltimatePharaoh]

every single living thing in naruto has those eight gates, the only difference between Guy and fodder Ninja is that Might Guy trained his ass off.

Are we talking about the Kages with 8 Gates activated or what? what did you smoke fr??

You made a statement about Base Guy training and you claimed that it made him reach Six Paths level, which's as I asserted is not the case, rather the gates which made him go to such a high level, Now, if the Kages somehow used the Eight Gate of Death on screen, I have no problem in maybe and just maybe scaling them to six paths tier.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Are we talking about the Kages with 8 Gates activated or what? what did you smoke fr??

You made a statement about Base Guy training and you claimed that it made him reach Six Paths level, which's as I asserted is not the case, rather the gates which made him go to such a high level, Now, if the Kages somehow used the Eight Gate of Death on screen, I have no problem in maybe and just maybe scaling them to six paths tier.

No, he means that everyone has the Eight Gates, it's just that Guy trained his ass off to be able to use all 8 of them as opposed to someone like Kakashi who can only open the First Gate.

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

By "We", I mean VS Battles Wiki as a whole. Didn't mean you. The number of times over the years when I've seen people just dismiss anti-feats for the sake of their scaling is too high to even count.

I see your point, but countless wrongs don't make a right if you ask me.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

No, he means that everyone has the Eight Gates, it's just that Guy trained his ass off to be able to use all 8 of them as opposed to someone like Kakashi who can only open the First Gate.

And before anyone asks, yes that's canon to the Manga and not an Anime Filler scene.

 

[Mazdoesstuff]

This issue would be resolved if we downgraded all Naruto characters down to 9-B

 

[Avengershows]

This issue would be resolved if we downgraded all Naruto characters down to 9-B

10-C

 

[Damage3245]

This issue would be resolved if we downgraded all Naruto characters down to 9-B

Or if we stopped automatically assuming every punch and jutsu a character throws out scales to their max power, but this is an issue more endemic to VS Battles as a whole.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

You made a statement about Base Guy training and you claimed that it made him reach Six Paths level

I never mentioned Base guy once. I said Guy isnt some special six paths user, his a normal Ninja that trained his ass off and reached six paths level via sheer training.

The 8 gates is included in that training. because not every 8 gates is six paths level tier

, which's as I asserted is not the case, rather the gates which made him go to such a high level

Might Guy has access to those gates because he trained, 8 gates isnt some special transformation separate from Guys training
Might Dai also used the eight gates

, Now, if the Kages somehow used the Eight Gate of Death on screen, I have no problem in maybe and just maybe scaling them to six paths tier.

And this is my issue, why do you believe it's consistent that for Might Guy to jump to six paths level with 8 gates, considering how large the gap is between Base Guy and 8 gates guy.

 

[Mazdoesstuff]

Or if we stopped automatically assuming every punch and jutsu a character throws out scales to their max power, but this is an issue more endemic to VS Battles as a whole.

Agreed but I’m still a fan of 9-B Naruto verse

 

[GTsek]

There are so many problems on the scale that it can even cause headaches...

The OP's logic is as:

Shin scales for Sasuke, becaude he can endure his attacks, in addition to dealing damage with sharp objects.

But Naruto and Sasuke shouldn't scales to Isshiki's High 4-C, even though they endure the beating, often without even bleeding, and still manage to block his blows (Sasuke uses the Katana to blocks Isshiki's attack).

It doesn't make sense, the Kages and Shin scales to their enemies thanks to minimal feats, but Naruto and Sasuke shouldn't scale even though they have feats...

 

[LordTracer]

Yes, yes, we all know the verse is 11-A, let’s not derail please.