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Is Saitama ability to reverse time is better than Whis

Plausible. It sort of depends on how far back we think Saitama went. Whis can only go back 3 minutes. I think it's fair to say that Saitama probably went back far over 3 minutes, and could have gone further it seems, but some would deny that.
 
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im happy that you were being sarcastic
 
Oh lord, someone on Spacebattles is claiming that the SP^2 caused a black hole instead of erasing the stars
How impressive would that be in comparison, I wonder.

It's just more ridiculous argumentation though. What would the purpose of that even be when it just got reversed anyways? And if it was, I think we would be seeing more than just a blank spot. Not to mention, how can a large blast of energy directed in a certain angle even create a black hole?

Speaking of the feat, is there a consensus yet on how strong it is? 4-A, 3-C, and even 3-B are all fair game. It kinda depends on if we want to lowball it or not. Multi-solar is sort of the bare minimum if we wanted to be safe and not make any form of speculation at all, even if it's very likely correct speculation. The feat is probably galaxy or multi-galaxy level to be honest, but multi-solar system is also the safest estimate.
 
How impressive would that be in comparison, I wonder.

It's just more ridiculous argumentation though. What would the purpose of that even be when it just got reversed anyways? And if it was, I think we would be seeing more than just a blank spot. Not to mention, how can a large blast of energy directed in a certain angle even create a black hole?

Speaking of the feat, is there a consensus yet on how strong it is? 4-A, 3-C, and even 3-B are all fair game. It kinda depends on if we want to lowball it or not. Multi-solar is sort of the bare minimum if we wanted to be safe and not make any form of speculation at all, even if it's very likely correct speculation. The feat is probably galaxy or multi-galaxy level to be honest, but multi-solar system is also the safest estimate.
It would be far more destructive to Earth than wiping out stars, that's for sure. If a black hole was Murata's intention, he knows how to draw one. And Earth being so close to one would be 100% ******.

What range does multi-solar actually cover? Because to me, that sounds like double digit stars tops. When you're getting to the number of thousands or even millions, I feel like that is far beyond multi-solar level. I still think galaxy is the fairest interpretation, especially if you actually take Serious Punch and square it for calcs like someone did.
 
Whis rewinds time as a whole,but has the weakness of being unable to spam it. Saitama sends himself back in time, but can pretty much only throw one punch before getting absorbed by his previous self.
 
It would be far more destructive to Earth than wiping out stars, that's for sure. If a black hole was Murata's intention, he knows how to draw one. And Earth being so close to one would be 100% ******.

What range does multi-solar actually cover? Because to me, that sounds like double digit stars tops. When you're getting to the number of thousands or even millions, I feel like that is far beyond multi-solar level. I still think galaxy is the fairest interpretation, especially if you actually take Serious Punch and square it for calcs like someone did.
Multi solar systems varies from hundreds to millions actually IIRC.
 
It would be far more destructive to Earth than wiping out stars, that's for sure. If a black hole was Murata's intention, he knows how to draw one. And Earth being so close to one would be 100% ******.

What range does multi-solar actually cover? Because to me, that sounds like double digit stars tops. When you're getting to the number of thousands or even millions, I feel like that is far beyond multi-solar level. I still think galaxy is the fairest interpretation, especially if you actually take Serious Punch and square it for calcs like someone did.
Think it's based on the range used for galaxy level. The standard used for galaxy level should be the Milky Way, I think, which has hundreds of millions if not billions of solar systems iirc, and galaxy level also includes the distance between each object, as well, not just the tangible matter within a galaxy. So multi-solar probably includes destroying many millions of solar systems.
 
Whis rewinds time as a whole,but has the weakness of being unable to spam it. Saitama sends himself back in time, but can pretty much only throw one punch before getting absorbed by his previous self.
Does Saitama still remember the future or has everything from the future been erased including his memories?
 
Does Saitama still remember the future or has everything from the future been erased including his memories?
Forgotten. He was surprised to see Genos alive, but that was because he noticed he had Genos' core in his hands, and he was confused as to where he was, why, and mentioned that he was "just hit" by the Gamma Ray Burst.
 
The clash between Garou and Saitama is a physical clash made by 2 fists bumping together. Blast states the collision will generate enough energy to destroy the earth. You can also see a large crack spreading through it's surface near the outer atmosphere area they clash, evidence that the energy is capable of physically affecting matter the conventional way. The energy is too ample to be BFRed away, as seen before too much energy can overload Blast's portals, so he decides to divert it instead, needing 4 additional members to do just that. It gets directed away from our Solar System in a conical expansion, while Saitama and Garou are propelled the opposite direction towards IO.

We then see a hole in the sky wich looks nothing like the Black holes Murata draws (he'd definitely have given it an event horizon and a luminous center) and it appeared in response to the energy being diverted away, nothing more. It wasn't nulified,sealed or BFRed through a portal, just had it's vector changed. Neither character have ever been implied to have the ability to specifically destroy photons, and raw force would be unable to do that either.

It's by far their greatest feat in the fight, but it's not like you should expect any artist to make a galaxy explode every time a character moves their head or swings their fists, no matter how powerful said characters are. Countless other verses have characters beyond Tier 4 that do not destroy entire Solar Systems every time they punch, why would it be a problem specifically for OPM?
While light would take billions of years to disappear from our POV, that was the best way to show us the damage done and it's consequences, having Blast or the Narrator state that many stars have been destroyed and yet we see absolutely no change because their light would take billions of years to stop being perceived would be lame.

Yeah, any argument so far to try and discredit it being actual destruction simply does not convince me. I still stand by destruction being the most simple path with the less unecessary assumptions.
 
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In my theory, Saitama's power is basically narrative trying to make anything they try against him useless, making him always the strongest. All the things the Garou tried against him didn't work, such as martial arts, an attack that negates durability by hitting the organs, dimensional portals he kicked and caught, power mimicry that became useless over time, etc. So, Saitama would be immune to any hax from his verse, as the narrative would always make that hax useless against him. Basically Saitama could do whatever he wants as long as he wants, like not needing oxygen to survive in space. So if there was a being that had soul manipulation or transmutation, narrative would make it useless against him.
 
In my theory, Saitama's power is basically narrative trying to make anything they try against him useless, making him always the strongest. All the things the Garou tried against him didn't work, such as martial arts, an attack that negates durability by hitting the organs, dimensional portals he kicked and caught, power mimicry that became useless over time, etc. So, Saitama would be immune to any hax from his verse, as the narrative would always make that hax useless against him. Basically Saitama could do whatever he wants as long as he wants, like not needing oxygen to survive in space. So if there was a being that had soul manipulation or transmutation, narrative would make it useless against him.
Not how I interpret it. Pretty sure it's just that him breaking his limiter gives him limitless potential, thus he can continue to grow forever and isn't really bound by limitations in any aspect. Power, speed, durability, etc., he can keep growing in all manners and won't ever reach a ceiling in any of them. It makes more sense with the wording used. Saying "Saitama is still growing".
 
one day saitama's gonna get resistance to everything he actually will be able to stomp jojo and bleach, I believe it after these chapters of radiation, serious farts, portals, time manipulation, sneezing jupiter, and instant power copying
 
im confused, did garou punch saitama into the sun or something? cuz he says "the sun" teleports supposedly to the sun then teleports to earth. which would give saitama some good heat resistance if he was close to the sun...
 
im confused, did garou punch saitama into the sun or something? cuz he says "the sun" teleports supposedly to the sun then teleports to earth. which would give saitama some good heat resistance if he was close to the sun...
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He didn’t punch Saitama into the sun.
 
So this chapter confirms that saitama could one tap himself from yesterday huh
well the chapter itself just says he keeps getting stronger by an unknown amount, with it increasing exponentially when experiencing high emotion. It's only when paired with the other thing that you can say it's a oneshot every day
 
Look how defensive he gets.

Against author intent or not, the photon idea is valid and you have no way of proving the beam destroyed anything other than photons. It's like throwing a giant door toward stars and the door then vanishes 1ly away and now you won't see these stars for 1 year anymore.

I made the calc to prove that feat is actually >galaxy and I still see validity in this claim.
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has this man read any other fiction with big feats. Character's almost never consistently do the AoE damage with every hit. Even if they literally punched a city away minutes before, their hits now will not reach those levels of AoE, but still be just as powerful
 
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