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But the others are still much much much faster.
Exactly, they alone are way faster than Melz, and they've showed that capacity many times.

But, onto your point, they're not even scaled much higher than Melz, so they don't even help your argument even if they weren't continuously shown to be faster. The fact that they couldn't take him down instantly will be explained below.
Yes. You are correct. Me>anything else.
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You ain’t peep bang having to dodge and PPP having to put up a fight against such a “slow” opponent.
How does dodging someone make you slower? That does the exact opposite.
Um…this doesn’t really prove anything. More so helps me cuz they couldn’t instantly locate the marbles when fighting such a “fodder” opponent.
It does. You're talking about how they can find the marbles instantly, yet someone demonstrably and insanely faster than Melzalgald to the point of chopping him up hundreds of times before he can react still doesn't reveal the exact location of the marble or destroy it.

This is literal proof that your point doesn't work, if PPP alone treating his body like a pin cushion wasn't enough.
They knew about the marbles pre tats stopping the barrage and it took them multiple moments to get to the marble.😱😱
Yes, they knew about the marbles, but the marbles aren't always located in one place. That's only when he regenerates, and only Bang figured it out at that same point.

Repetition will not help your case.
I’m feel. I’m very feel. 👨‍💼 great multiplier btw, gotta give credit where credit is due.
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Should’ve found it quicker than that if he was really that much faster🤷‍♂️
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It isn’t, bc melz is faster than his “calced” speed.
Which really has no relevance to the discussion. It's about whether or not he can be so much slower than Bang.
also using the anime timeframe is atrocious…Anime time frames deflate results 100% of the time for small scale/range feats.
I'd usually agree, but it's essentially the same scene. We have no reason to not use it.
 
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What about you? do you think there’s evidence that Released Boros is faster Iaian yes or no
Uh I haven’t seen evidence of that but it’s certainly possible, I guess? I was asking you since you seem pretty convinced of that. If you have evidence Released Boros is faster than Iaian show it and we’ll upgrade Boros.
 
Zamasu_Chan's making a calculation, let's just hope it's good (probably won't be).
 
Can we calc the speed of Boros' energy shot from his released state? It probably only scales to attack speed, but it's something I guess
 
Might want to wait for the ship size stuff to get finished first.

Hopefully, we'll get 55 or 76 km.
 
Exactly, they alone are way faster than Melz, and they've showed that capacity many times.
they are but not that much.
But, onto your point, they're not even scaled much higher than Melz,
But you just said they are way faster.
so they don't even help your argument even if they weren't continuously shown to be faster. The fact that they couldn't take him down instantly will be explained below.
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How does dodging someone make you slower? That does the exact opposite.
Cause a dodge of someone 1000x slower don’t make sense, should be making it look fabulous.
It does. You're talking about how they can find the marbles instantly, yet someone demonstrably and insanely faster than Melzalgald to the point of chopping him up hundreds of times before he can react still doesn't reveal the exact location of the marble or destroy it.
Exactly…bc they’re not that much faster. It’s cuz melz should be >>> then what he is rn.
This is literal proof that your point doesn't work, if PPP alone treating his body like a pin cushion wasn't enough.
But it does. Cuz once they “found” the object it still took them time.
Yes, they knew about the marbles, but the marbles aren't always located in one place. That's only when he regenerates, and only Bang figured it out at that same point.
But bang speed is significantly faster than what melz regen should be…so he’s looking like a statue to bang. or so he should.
Repetition will not help your case.
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Which really has no relevance to the discussion. It's about whether or not he can be so much slower than Bang.
Yeah, the answer is no.
I'd usually agree,
Well then u should
but it's essentially the same scene. We have no reason to not use it.
It’s not tho, as I explained, short ranged feats are always deflated.
 
they are but not that much.
I mean they're way faster, but it's completely immaterial as I said.
But you just said they are way gastwr
Scaled. I'm talking about their wiki ratings. They're only at least Hypersonic.

Edit: Nvm, Bad is High Hypersonic+, but he's above PPP, let alone Melz.
Cause a dodge of someone 1000x slower don’t make sense, should be making it look fabulous.
I don't get your logic at all.
Exactly…bc they’re not that much faster. It’s cuz melz should be >>> then what he is rn.
That doesn't address my point even remotely. Atomic objectively turned him to pepperoni.
But it does. Cuz once they found there object it still took them time.
FOR THE LAST TIME, NO IT DIDN'T. THEY DIDN'T FIND THE OBJECT, THEY JUST FIGURED OUT IT EXISTED. BANG DID EXACLTY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ONE PANEL THE MOMENT HE FIGURED OUT THE SECRET. THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH SPEED.
But bang speed is significantly faster than what melz regen should be…so he’s looking like a statue to bang. or so he should.
Melz regenerated after PPP obliterated him, so it is.
Yeah, the answer is no.
The answer is that your non-sense points are getting repetitive, hence the cat gifs.
Well then u should
No.
It’s not tho, as I explained, short ranged feats are always deflated.
I'm not taking your word for this, especially since you can't possibly prove that.
 
I mean they're way faster, but it's completely immaterial as I said.

Scaled. I'm talking about their wiki ratings. They're only at least Hypersonic.
PPP in which an anime calc gives those results from the previous arc…
Edit: Nvm, Bad is High Hypersonic+, but he's above PPP, let alone Melz.
. already wrote my sentence and too lazy to delete it.
I don't get your logic at all.
Neither do I get urs.
That doesn't address my point even remotely. Atomic objectively turned him to pepperoni.
And still failed to find the marble.
FOR THE LAST TIME, NO IT DIDN'T. THEY DIDN'T FIND THE OBJECT, THEY JUST FIGURED OUT IT EXISTED. BANG DID EXACLTY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ONE PANEL THE MOMENT HE FIGURED OUT THE SECRET.
and it wasn’t instantaneous even tho the speed difference is so wide.
Melz regenerated after PPP obliterated him, so it is.
Yet bat was able to snatch a marble before the regen kicked back so clearly it ain’t that quick…
The answer is that your non-sense points are getting repetitive, hence the cat gifs.
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yes? yes. yes
I'm not taking your word for this, especially since you can't possibly prove that.
But I did due to the fact that you can’t disprove it.
 
PPP in which an anime calc gives those results from the previous arc…
Where?
Neither do I get urs.
Your point is literally that he's similar in speed because Melzalgald didn't hit him. Also, I'm assuming this is the panel you're referring to, which would make it all the more ludicrous because he's getting a hit in on Melz at the same time.
And still failed to find the marble.
Which supports my point. Finding the marble has nothing to do with speed, because Atomic Samurai while performing a feat hundreds of times faster than him super casually can't do it. What about this do you fail to grasp? What about this entitles you to torture me with your non-sense?
and it wasn’t instantaneous even tho the speed difference is so wide.
It was one panel, after AS chopped him into peperoni, and Melz wasn't even capable of moving. Your point makes absolutely no sense even by your own standards because it's not due to Melz's speed.
Yet bat was able to snatch a marble before the regen kicked back so clearly it ain’t that quick…
Literally what I'm saying is that it's slow AF, even in comparison to PPP.
But I did due to the fact that you can’t disprove it.
Firstly, burden of proof makes you the one who needs to prove it since your the claimant.

Secondly,

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the calc…
Your point is literally that he's similar in speed because Melzalgald didn't hit him. Also, I'm assuming this is the panel you're referring to, which would make it all the more ludicrous because he's getting a hit in on Melz.
Never said he’s similar similar, I said he can’t be that slow but yeah imo(factual) he’s similar than what his current speed it.
Which supports my point. Finding the marble has nothing to do with speed, because people hundreds of times faster than him super casually can't do it.
It does tho. The usage of super casual is what’s wrong. Yes, let’s take it super casual as we got all the time in the world.
What about this do you fail to grasp?
Nothing.
What about this entitles you to torture me with your non-sense?
Yet you continue on.🦭
It was one panel, after AS chopped him into peperoni, and Melz wasn't even capable of moving. Your point makes absolutely no sense even by your own standards.
AS has always been superior. time time time…
Literally what I'm saying is that it's slow AF.
Yeah, and with all the dices they would’ve easily been able to get all the marble instantly.
Firstly, burden of proof makes you the one who needs to prove it since your the claimant.
Ok, my proof is that melz anime calc is deflated. ur turn.
Anime time frames can’t have higher tier speeds(above humanly speeds) in short range field as it would be instant animations with nothing happening therefore they are slowed down to add an actual comprehension to what is happening. Thus the results are elongated.
Secondly,

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1/2 bh of Melzargard = >>>supersonic+…quick maths
 
the calc…
What? Can you please explain yourself better?
Never said he’s similar similar, I said he can’t be that slow but yeah imo(factual) he’s similar than what his current speed it.
Fine, your point is that he can't be too much slower because Bang dodged his punch. It's still just as non-sensical.
It does tho. The usage of super casual is what’s wrong. Yes, let’s take it super casual as we got all the time in the world.
AS repeats this multiple times. It's casual.
Yeah, and with all the dices they would’ve easily been able to get all the marble instantly.
And they literally did that, multiple times, and it didn't work until Bang figured out the mechanics of his regen. What you're saying doesn't work.
Ok, my proof is that melz anime calc is deflated. ur turn.
Unfortunately, that's circular reasoning.

What I'm asking for are examples, but I'm just getting this.
Anime time frames can’t have higher tier speeds(above humanly speeds) in short range field as it would be instant animations with nothing happening therefore they are slowed down to add an actual comprehension to what is happening. Thus the results are elongated.
They can. There's FTE feats in the anime.
 
What? Can you please explain yourself better.
DSK calc.
Fine, your point is that he can't be too much slower because Bang dodged his punch. It's still just as non-sensical.
It’s not tho. The punch is a big part of it but he would be a toy to them.
AS repeats this multiple times. It's casual.
Not talking about only AS…you got Iaian bleeding, the ships finna go down, etc.
And they literally did that, multiple times, and it didn't work. What you're saying doesn't work.
Yeah it didn’t work bc they couldn’t do it easily due to melz not being the fodder he’s labeled as.
Unfortunately, that's circular reasoning.
That was a joke. But fortunately I circular reasoned ur reason with a reason to reason the reason.
What I'm asking for are examples, but I'm just getting this.
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They can. There's literally FTE feats in the anime.
That are unquantifiable…so like…useless point.
 
DSK calc.
Which is Hypersonic, and already on the profile.
It’s not tho. The punch is a big part of it but he would be a toy to them.
Again, he's punching Melz at the same time, and it's a frozen panel. He basically was a toy to them.
Not talking about only AS…you got Iaian bleeding, the ships finna go down, etc.
And? Is your point that this should have happened in an instant?

It's actually very uncommon for fights at this level to take place in miliseconds. They take place in seconds or even minutes. The whole Boros fight took place over 5 minutes.
Yeah it didn’t work bc they couldn’t do it easily due to melz not being the fodder he’s labeled as.
But they literally did do it, several times. You keep saying this as if this somehow shows they haven't; they did exactly that, it just didn't reveal the marble. That doesn't make the gap lower, it makes you wrong.

He's objectively fodder who only survived because he can regenerate and shift his marble.
That was a joke. But fortunately I circular reasoned ur reason with a reason to reason the reason.
I was thinking that at first, but the logic you've employed doesn't take circular reasoning out of the question.
That are unquantifiable…so like…useless point.
It's not a useless point, your point was that they have to make it comprehensible, but they outright don't.
 
Which is Hypersonic, and already on the profile.
Yeah ik, I said it’s an anime calc.
Again, he's punching Melz at the same time, and it's a frozen panel. He basically was a toy to them.
Yet they couldn’t finish off the toy.
And? Is your point that this should have happened in an instant?
Yeah, they didn’t wanna toy with him yet he is supposedly a toy.
It's actually very uncommon for fights at this level to take place in miliseconds. They take place in seconds or even minutes. The whole Boros fight took place over 5 minutes.
Ah yes, running 100 of kms back and forth across a whole ship and going to the moon, and also fighting on the top of the ship flying across its entirety going back and forth. The timeframe fits. The fight realistically should be like a minute max.
But they literally did do it.
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The only reason he survived was because he can regenerate.
And they couldn’t bypass the regen immediately with superior speed. As I said before, metal bat was able to get the marble before melz could regen showing that his regen speed isn’t all that, hmm what does that leave use with, oh his actual speed is higher.
I was thinking that at first, but the logic you've employed doesn't take circular reasoning out of the question.
Well you gotta think second not first.
It's not a useless point, your point was that they have to make it comprehensible, but they outright don't.
But they do, if we were to calc AS atomic slash time frame in the anime we’ll probs get hypersonic results. The time frame is inflated all the time which causes a deflation in results.
 
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Yeah ik, I said it’s an anime calc.
Your point, then?
Yet they couldn’t finish off the toy.

Yeah, they didn’t wanna toy with him yet he is supposedly a toy.
Via probably every factor except speed.
Ah yes, running 100 of kms back and forth across a whole ship and going to the moon, and also fighting on the top of the ship flying across its entirety going back and forth. The timeframe fits. The fight realistically should be like a minute max.
Which is why I also showed fights in which opponents got one-shot. Here's quite a few more. The fight realistically should be similar in length.
And they couldn’t bypass he regen immediately with superior speed.
No they couldn't. This entire argument is just

'oh they could have one-shot him if they were a thousand times faster.'

shows Atomic Samurai cutting Melzalgald into hundreds of pieces without him being able to react

'see, not fast enough.'

They're more than fast enough to do exactly what you're claiming, the problem is that even that cannot kill Melzalgald.
As I said before, metal bat was able to get the marble before melz could regen showing that his regen speed isn’t all that, hmm what does that leave use with, oh his actual speed is higher.
He just regenerates after they attack him. That's always what he does. But, that literally wouldn't have made a difference, as they still couldn't have been able to find the thing capable of stopping him from regenerating at all.
But they do, if we were to calc AS atomic slash time frame in the anime we’ll probs get hypersonic results. The time frame is inflated all the time which causes a deflation in results.
Sure. If someone wants to calculate the combined distances of all these slashes, I got a timeframe of 0.71666666666s.
 
Your point, then?
No point. Just that it’s an anime calc.
Via probably every factor except speed.
No. Via Reality warping?
Which is why I also showed fights in which opponents got one-shot. Here's quite a few more. The fight realistically should be similar in length.
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No they couldn't. This entire argument is just

'oh they could have one-shot him if they were a thousand times faster.'

shows Atomic Samurai cutting Melzalgald into hundreds of pieces without him being able to react

'see, not fast enough.'

They're more than fast enough to do exactly what you're claiming, the problem is that even that cannot kill Melzalgald.
Yeah, that’s exactly my point. There isn’t a problem, it’s the equivalent to me having my whole life to find the needle in the hay stack. Cuz that how slow melz is in comparison to bang(supposedly).
He just regenerates after they attack him. That's always what he does. But, that literally wouldn't have made a difference, as they still couldn't have been able to find the thing capable of stopping him from regenerating at all.
But they should’ve…
Sure. If someone wants to calculate the combined distances of all these slashes, I got a timeframe of 0.71666666666s.
To get MHS+ speeds he would need to have cut 245,816m worth of slashes. yeah no.
 
No point. Just that it’s an anime calc.
Ok.
No. Via Reality warping?
Strength/shapeshifting weaponry, regeneration, endurance, shifting his marble.
Yeah, that’s exactly my point. There isn’t a problem, it’s the equivalent to me having my whole life to find the needle in the hay stack. Cuz that how slow melz is in comparison to bang(supposedly).
Yes, and he shows how realistic that is by blitzing Melzalgald constantly.

You're not even giving a reason here, you're just saying it's a problem despite the fact that they objectively do what you said and it fails. You even say that's exactly your point, so I don't get how this is a problem.
But they should’ve…
No, no they should not. They did what you said, it never worked until Bang showed his galaxy brain, that's all there is to it. Good day sir. I'm done arguing with you.
To get MHS+ speeds he would need to have cut 245,816m worth of slashes. yeah no.
I mean, we also get Subsonic feats from this stuff by just using the manga, and even Garou's feat against ENW gives Supersonic results via a timeframe provided in-universe. You get higher and lower feats from the anime, like Genos fighting Elder Centipede. One example isn't enough.
 
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honestly seems pretty clear that Puri would've been hit if not for Bang.
Also is consistent with him blitzing the Sky King who is on par with DSK.
 
Strength,
Nope.
regeneration,
um. obviously not, that’s what we were talking about.
endurance
hell no.
shifting his marble
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so speed.
speed.
Yes, and he shows how realistic that is by blitzing Melzalgald constantly.
clearly not to such a high degree tho.
You're not even giving a reason here, you're just saying it's a problem despite the fact that they objectively do what you said and it fails. You even say that's exactly your point, so I don't get how this is a problem.
I did. Scroll up a bit.
No, no they should not. They did what you said, it never worked until Bang showed his galaxy brain, that's all there is to it.
Never worked cuz they aren’t that much faster.
Good day sir.
Good day/night/evening/morning sir.
I'm done arguing with you.
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I mean, we also get Subsonic feats from this stuff by just using the manga,
Yeah for actual fodder characters
and even Garou's feat against ENW gives Supersonic results via a timeframe provided in-universe.
Objection, relevance. There’s a difference between atrocious author time frame and creating an atrocious time frame.
You get higher and lower feats from the anime, like Genos fighting Elder Centipede.
For speed?🧍if ur talking about jet arrow drive then def not, anime had a long ass pause for its build up.
 
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honestly seems pretty clear that Puri would've been hit if not for Bang.
Also is consistent with him blitzing the Sky King who is on par with DSK.
Neutral on this, but Zamasu explains why we don't use it here. And Kachon explained that PPP was the only one who reacted to Bang.
He punched away Bang, PPP had difficulty blocking just two fusees, and Melz is a Dragon level threat, so yes.
um. obviously not, that’s what we were talking about.
That's literally the reason he survived after getting torn apart. Unlike your anime point, it being the subject doesn't negate that.
Was he easily put down after any hits? He literally gets torn apart in almost every scene and you're just like 'lol, nope'.
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so speed.
speed.
So you have to deflect because marble shifting obviously played a huge role and was (according to Bang himself) the reason why they couldn't find it.

Where? Honestly, you've shown 1 example of Melzalgald getting a direct hit. In literally every other scene, he gets blown to pieces and cannot physically move in the way he normally does (even you say his regen is slow). Yet speed is somehow the damn key to his survival? No, that's blatantly false, hilariously contradictory and utterly ridiculous.
clearly not to such a high degree tho.
Yes, to such a high degree. He only gets 1 direct hit, and Bang intercepts his punch half-way through.
I did. Scroll up a bit.
Not a reason.
Never worked cuz they aren’t that much faster.
It never worked even when they were objectively hundreds of times faster. Just stop.
Yeah for actual fodder characters
No, for Genos. Why do you think there's only a handfull of speed feats that we use to scale the verse?
Objection, relevance. There’s a difference between atrocious author time frame and creating an atrocious time frame.
Objection, it's perfectly relevant. It shows that even the author regards his characters as relatively slow a lot of the time.
For speed?🧍if ur talking about jet arrow drive then def not, anime had a long ass pause for its build up.
"Build up" is not speed.
 
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You know what, you don't have to believe me. The databook confirms the core itself shifts at high speed, and mentions pretty much every aspect of his powers except for extreme speed.
 
He punched away Bang, PPP had difficulty blocking just two fusees, and Melz is a Dragon level threat, so yes.
No serious damage. Atleast not lethal. Moderate damage.
That's literally the reason he survived after getting torn apart. Unlike your anime point, it being the subject doesn't negate that.
. what anime point, time frame?
Was he easily put down after any hits? He literally gets torn apart in almost every scene and you're just like 'lol, nope'.
Yeah gets torn apart yet they can’t close in, without the consequence of getting hit.
So you have to deflect because marble shifting obviously played a huge role and was (according to Bang himself) the reason why they couldn't find it.
Played a huge part yet mr. a monkey could get it took forever to get it. And that’s due to melz speed.
Where? Honestly, you've shown 1 example of Melzalgald getting a direct hit. In literally every other scene, he gets blown to pieces and cannot physically move in the way he normally does (even you say his regen is slow). Yet speed is somehow the damn key to his survival? No, that's blatantly false, hilariously contradictory and utterly ridiculous.
All you need is one…there ain’t a “requirement”…speed is the key to survival. nice catch.
Yes, to such a high degree. He only gets 1 direct hit.
All he needs.
Not a reason.
It is.
It never worked even when they were objectively hundreds of times faster. Just stop.
Exactly, cuz they’re not.
No, for Genos. Why do you think there's only a handfull of speed feats that we use to scale the verse?
Genos🫠 that’s Saitama’s feat…which everybody and there mamas scales above that feat >>>>>>>>.
Objection, it's perfectly relevant. It shows that even the author regards his characters as relatively slow a lot of the time.
Regard=/=comprehend
"Build up" is not speed.
Build ups the wrong word, meant his long ass thrust.
 
You know what, you don't have to believe me. The databook confirms the core itself shifts at high speed, and mentions pretty much every aspect of his powers except for extreme speed.
Holds no value since it has no scaling. Well I mean it does…the scaling is > supersonic+ which is still useless, since high hypersonic MB was able to outpace the regen core. Which still leaves speed as the only factor.
 
No serious damage. Atleast not lethal. Moderate damage.
Still did way more than his speed has supposedly done.
. what anime point, time frame?
Bruh, have you seen the fight? This would kill someone normally.
Yeah gets torn apart yet they can’t close in, without the consequence of getting hit.
No, just no, just absolutely unequivocally no.

Also, why would they even bother if, as you said before, a hit only does moderate damage?
Played a huge part yet mr. a monkey could get it took forever to get it. And that’s due to melz speed.
Yet Bang only realised it at the end of the fight.
All you need is one…there ain’t a “requirement”…speed is the key to survival. nice catch.
Funny how he's never dodged even a single punch across the entire fight and gets a hand full of hits, only one of which is direct.

The sheer speed of getting the shit beaten out of you, I can't imagine it.

Here's what they do.
  • They go in.
  • They avoid getting hit by Melz due to his strength.
  • They blow him apart, but find no marble.
  • He regenerates.
We're shown most of the fight on screen, and this is what happens.
Exactly, cuz they’re not.
Yes, yes they are.
Genos🫠 that’s Saitama’s feat…which everybody and there mamas scales above that feat >>>>>>>>.
I have no idea what you're talking about.
Regard=/=comprehend
Which doesn't matter here. The point is that they **** up the speed in the first place.
Build ups the wrong word, meant his long ass thrust.
Do you mean EC trying to hold it back and failing hilariously?
Holds no value since it has no scaling. Well I mean it does…the scaling is > supersonic+ which is still useless, since high hypersonic MB was able to outpace the regen core. Which still leaves speed as the only factor.
It holds absolutely every value because it's how he survives the damn fight.
 
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fr, this discussion is boring me and I'm going to do something else. Bye.
 
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