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Exactly, they alone are way faster than Melz, and they've showed that capacity many times.But the others are still much much much faster.
Yes. You are correct. Me>anything else.
How does dodging someone make you slower? That does the exact opposite.You ain’t peep bang having to dodge and PPP having to put up a fight against such a “slow” opponent.
It does. You're talking about how they can find the marbles instantly, yet someone demonstrably and insanely faster than Melzalgald to the point of chopping him up hundreds of times before he can react still doesn't reveal the exact location of the marble or destroy it.Um…this doesn’t really prove anything. More so helps me cuz they couldn’t instantly locate the marbles when fighting such a “fodder” opponent.
Yes, they knew about the marbles, but the marbles aren't always located in one place. That's only when he regenerates, and only Bang figured it out at that same point.They knew about the marbles pre tats stopping the barrage and it took them multiple moments to get to the marble.![]()
I’m feel. I’m very feel.great multiplier btw, gotta give credit where credit is due.
Should’ve found it quicker than that if he was really that much faster![]()
Which really has no relevance to the discussion. It's about whether or not he can be so much slower than Bang.It isn’t, bc melz is faster than his “calced” speed.
I'd usually agree, but it's essentially the same scene. We have no reason to not use it.also using the anime timeframe is atrocious…Anime time frames deflate results 100% of the time for small scale/range feats.
Ah shit I’m convinced, someone make the CRTEvidence: Boros>Iaian in speed.
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What about you? do you think there’s evidence that Released Boros is faster Iaian yes or noIf you think there’s super obvious evidence that Released Boros surpasses Iaian in speed pointing it out shouldn’t be too hard.
Dude we're asking you a question, why are you replying with another question.What about you? do you think there’s evidence that Released Boros is faster Iaian yes or no
Tell me first what do you guys think, Is 2nd form Boros faster than Iaian yes or noDude we're asking you a question, why are you replying with another question.
Uh I haven’t seen evidence of that but it’s certainly possible, I guess? I was asking you since you seem pretty convinced of that. If you have evidence Released Boros is faster than Iaian show it and we’ll upgrade Boros.What about you? do you think there’s evidence that Released Boros is faster Iaian yes or no
Uh I haven’t seen evidence of that but it’s certainly possible, I guess? I was asking you since you seem pretty convinced of that. If you have evidence Released Boros is faster than Iaian show it and we’ll upgrade Boros.
I'm sorry to myself for every second I wasted talking to you clownsWe don't have evidence of it, so no.
Refrain from insulting people when using this forum, please. Anyway I’m guessing that was a no, so uh…I'm sorry to myself for every second I wasted talking to you clowns
And I never got that evidence because I talking to an entire circusI'm sorry to myself for every second I wasted talking to you clowns
they are but not that much.Exactly, they alone are way faster than Melz, and they've showed that capacity many times.
But you just said they are way faster.But, onto your point, they're not even scaled much higher than Melz,
.so they don't even help your argument even if they weren't continuously shown to be faster. The fact that they couldn't take him down instantly will be explained below.
Cause a dodge of someone 1000x slower don’t make sense, should be making it look fabulous.![]()
How does dodging someone make you slower? That does the exact opposite.
Exactly…bc they’re not that much faster. It’s cuz melz should be >>> then what he is rn.It does. You're talking about how they can find the marbles instantly, yet someone demonstrably and insanely faster than Melzalgald to the point of chopping him up hundreds of times before he can react still doesn't reveal the exact location of the marble or destroy it.
But it does. Cuz once they “found” the object it still took them time.This is literal proof that your point doesn't work, if PPP alone treating his body like a pin cushion wasn't enough.
But bang speed is significantly faster than what melz regen should be…so he’s looking like a statue to bang. or so he should.Yes, they knew about the marbles, but the marbles aren't always located in one place. That's only when he regenerates, and only Bang figured it out at that same point.
x3 cat walking gifsRepetition will not help your case.
Yeah, the answer is no.![]()
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Which really has no relevance to the discussion. It's about whether or not he can be so much slower than Bang.
Well then u shouldI'd usually agree,
It’s not tho, as I explained, short ranged feats are always deflated.but it's essentially the same scene. We have no reason to not use it.
You got it maverick, you got them 1000x multiplier silver fang hands.Ah shit I’m convinced, someone make the CRT
I mean they're way faster, but it's completely immaterial as I said.they are but not that much.
Scaled. I'm talking about their wiki ratings. They're only at least Hypersonic.But you just said they are way gastwr
I don't get your logic at all.Cause a dodge of someone 1000x slower don’t make sense, should be making it look fabulous.
That doesn't address my point even remotely. Atomic objectively turned him to pepperoni.Exactly…bc they’re not that much faster. It’s cuz melz should be >>> then what he is rn.
FOR THE LAST TIME, NO IT DIDN'T. THEY DIDN'T FIND THE OBJECT, THEY JUST FIGURED OUT IT EXISTED. BANG DID EXACLTY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ONE PANEL THE MOMENT HE FIGURED OUT THE SECRET. THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH SPEED.But it does. Cuz once they found there object it still took them time.
Melz regenerated after PPP obliterated him, so it is.But bang speed is significantly faster than what melz regen should be…so he’s looking like a statue to bang. or so he should.
The answer is that your non-sense points are getting repetitive, hence the cat gifs.Yeah, the answer is no.
No.Well then u should
I'm not taking your word for this, especially since you can't possibly prove that.It’s not tho, as I explained, short ranged feats are always deflated.
PPP in which an anime calc gives those results from the previous arc…I mean they're way faster, but it's completely immaterial as I said.
Scaled. I'm talking about their wiki ratings. They're only at least Hypersonic.
. already wrote my sentence and too lazy to delete it.Edit: Nvm, Bad is High Hypersonic+, but he's above PPP, let alone Melz.
Neither do I get urs.I don't get your logic at all.
And still failed to find the marble.That doesn't address my point even remotely. Atomic objectively turned him to pepperoni.
and it wasn’t instantaneous even tho the speed difference is so wide.FOR THE LAST TIME, NO IT DIDN'T. THEY DIDN'T FIND THE OBJECT, THEY JUST FIGURED OUT IT EXISTED. BANG DID EXACLTY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ONE PANEL THE MOMENT HE FIGURED OUT THE SECRET.
Yet bat was able to snatch a marble before the regen kicked back so clearly it ain’t that quick…Melz regenerated after PPP obliterated him, so it is.
The answer is that your non-sense points are getting repetitive, hence the cat gifs.
yes? yes. yes
But I did due to the fact that you can’t disprove it.I'm not taking your word for this, especially since you can't possibly prove that.
Where?PPP in which an anime calc gives those results from the previous arc…
Your point is literally that he's similar in speed because Melzalgald didn't hit him. Also, I'm assuming this is the panel you're referring to, which would make it all the more ludicrous because he's getting a hit in on Melz at the same time.Neither do I get urs.
Which supports my point. Finding the marble has nothing to do with speed, because Atomic Samurai while performing a feat hundreds of times faster than him super casually can't do it. What about this do you fail to grasp? What about this entitles you to torture me with your non-sense?And still failed to find the marble.
It was one panel, after AS chopped him into peperoni, and Melz wasn't even capable of moving. Your point makes absolutely no sense even by your own standards because it's not due to Melz's speed.and it wasn’t instantaneous even tho the speed difference is so wide.
Literally what I'm saying is that it's slow AF, even in comparison to PPP.Yet bat was able to snatch a marble before the regen kicked back so clearly it ain’t that quick…
Firstly, burden of proof makes you the one who needs to prove it since your the claimant.But I did due to the fact that you can’t disprove it.
the calc…Where?
Never said he’s similar similar, I said he can’t be that slow but yeah imo(factual) he’s similar than what his current speed it.Your point is literally that he's similar in speed because Melzalgald didn't hit him. Also, I'm assuming this is the panel you're referring to, which would make it all the more ludicrous because he's getting a hit in on Melz.
It does tho. The usage of super casual is what’s wrong. Yes, let’s take it super casual as we got all the time in the world.Which supports my point. Finding the marble has nothing to do with speed, because people hundreds of times faster than him super casually can't do it.
Nothing.What about this do you fail to grasp?
Yet you continue on.What about this entitles you to torture me with your non-sense?
AS has always been superior. time time time…It was one panel, after AS chopped him into peperoni, and Melz wasn't even capable of moving. Your point makes absolutely no sense even by your own standards.
Yeah, and with all the dices they would’ve easily been able to get all the marble instantly.Literally what I'm saying is that it's slow AF.
Ok, my proof is that melz anime calc is deflated. ur turn.Firstly, burden of proof makes you the one who needs to prove it since your the claimant.
1/2 bh of Melzargard = >>>supersonic+…quick mathsSecondly,
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What? Can you please explain yourself better?the calc…
Fine, your point is that he can't be too much slower because Bang dodged his punch. It's still just as non-sensical.Never said he’s similar similar, I said he can’t be that slow but yeah imo(factual) he’s similar than what his current speed it.
AS repeats this multiple times. It's casual.It does tho. The usage of super casual is what’s wrong. Yes, let’s take it super casual as we got all the time in the world.
And they literally did that, multiple times, and it didn't work until Bang figured out the mechanics of his regen. What you're saying doesn't work.Yeah, and with all the dices they would’ve easily been able to get all the marble instantly.
Unfortunately, that's circular reasoning.Ok, my proof is that melz anime calc is deflated. ur turn.
They can. There's FTE feats in the anime.Anime time frames can’t have higher tier speeds(above humanly speeds) in short range field as it would be instant animations with nothing happening therefore they are slowed down to add an actual comprehension to what is happening. Thus the results are elongated.
DSK calc.What? Can you please explain yourself better.
It’s not tho. The punch is a big part of it but he would be a toy to them.Fine, your point is that he can't be too much slower because Bang dodged his punch. It's still just as non-sensical.
Not talking about only AS…you got Iaian bleeding, the ships finna go down, etc.AS repeats this multiple times. It's casual.
Yeah it didn’t work bc they couldn’t do it easily due to melz not being the fodder he’s labeled as.And they literally did that, multiple times, and it didn't work. What you're saying doesn't work.
That was a joke. But fortunately I circular reasoned ur reason with a reason to reason the reason.Unfortunately, that's circular reasoning.
What I'm asking for are examples, but I'm just getting this.
That are unquantifiable…so like…useless point.They can. There's literally FTE feats in the anime.
Which is Hypersonic, and already on the profile.DSK calc.
Again, he's punching Melz at the same time, and it's a frozen panel. He basically was a toy to them.It’s not tho. The punch is a big part of it but he would be a toy to them.
And? Is your point that this should have happened in an instant?Not talking about only AS…you got Iaian bleeding, the ships finna go down, etc.
But they literally did do it, several times. You keep saying this as if this somehow shows they haven't; they did exactly that, it just didn't reveal the marble. That doesn't make the gap lower, it makes you wrong.Yeah it didn’t work bc they couldn’t do it easily due to melz not being the fodder he’s labeled as.
I was thinking that at first, but the logic you've employed doesn't take circular reasoning out of the question.That was a joke. But fortunately I circular reasoned ur reason with a reason to reason the reason.
It's not a useless point, your point was that they have to make it comprehensible, but they outright don't.That are unquantifiable…so like…useless point.
Yeah ik, I said it’s an anime calc.Which is Hypersonic, and already on the profile.
Yet they couldn’t finish off the toy.Again, he's punching Melz at the same time, and it's a frozen panel. He basically was a toy to them.
Yeah, they didn’t wanna toy with him yet he is supposedly a toy.And? Is your point that this should have happened in an instant?
Ah yes, running 100 of kms back and forth across a whole ship and going to the moon, and also fighting on the top of the ship flying across its entirety going back and forth. The timeframe fits. The fight realistically should be like a minute max.
.But they literally did do it.
And they couldn’t bypass the regen immediately with superior speed. As I said before, metal bat was able to get the marble before melz could regen showing that his regen speed isn’t all that, hmm what does that leave use with, oh his actual speed is higher.The only reason he survived was because he can regenerate.
Well you gotta think second not first.I was thinking that at first, but the logic you've employed doesn't take circular reasoning out of the question.
But they do, if we were to calc AS atomic slash time frame in the anime we’ll probs get hypersonic results. The time frame is inflated all the time which causes a deflation in results.It's not a useless point, your point was that they have to make it comprehensible, but they outright don't.
Your point, then?Yeah ik, I said it’s an anime calc.
Via probably every factor except speed.Yet they couldn’t finish off the toy.
Yeah, they didn’t wanna toy with him yet he is supposedly a toy.
Which is why I also showed fights in which opponents got one-shot. Here's quite a few more. The fight realistically should be similar in length.Ah yes, running 100 of kms back and forth across a whole ship and going to the moon, and also fighting on the top of the ship flying across its entirety going back and forth. The timeframe fits. The fight realistically should be like a minute max.
No they couldn't. This entire argument is justAnd they couldn’t bypass he regen immediately with superior speed.
He just regenerates after they attack him. That's always what he does. But, that literally wouldn't have made a difference, as they still couldn't have been able to find the thing capable of stopping him from regenerating at all.As I said before, metal bat was able to get the marble before melz could regen showing that his regen speed isn’t all that, hmm what does that leave use with, oh his actual speed is higher.
Sure. If someone wants to calculate the combined distances of all these slashes, I got a timeframe of 0.71666666666s.But they do, if we were to calc AS atomic slash time frame in the anime we’ll probs get hypersonic results. The time frame is inflated all the time which causes a deflation in results.
No point. Just that it’s an anime calc.Your point, then?
No. Via Reality warping?Via probably every factor except speed.
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Yeah, that’s exactly my point. There isn’t a problem, it’s the equivalent to me having my whole life to find the needle in the hay stack. Cuz that how slow melz is in comparison to bang(supposedly).No they couldn't. This entire argument is just
'oh they could have one-shot him if they were a thousand times faster.'
shows Atomic Samurai cutting Melzalgald into hundreds of pieces without him being able to react
'see, not fast enough.'
They're more than fast enough to do exactly what you're claiming, the problem is that even that cannot kill Melzalgald.
But they should’ve…He just regenerates after they attack him. That's always what he does. But, that literally wouldn't have made a difference, as they still couldn't have been able to find the thing capable of stopping him from regenerating at all.
To get MHS+ speeds he would need to have cut 245,816m worth of slashes. yeah no.Sure. If someone wants to calculate the combined distances of all these slashes, I got a timeframe of 0.71666666666s.
Ok.No point. Just that it’s an anime calc.
Strength/shapeshifting weaponry, regeneration, endurance, shifting his marble.No. Via Reality warping?
Yes, and he shows how realistic that is by blitzing Melzalgald constantly.Yeah, that’s exactly my point. There isn’t a problem, it’s the equivalent to me having my whole life to find the needle in the hay stack. Cuz that how slow melz is in comparison to bang(supposedly).
No, no they should not. They did what you said, it never worked until Bang showed his galaxy brain, that's all there is to it. Good day sir. I'm done arguing with you.But they should’ve…
I mean, we also get Subsonic feats from this stuff by just using the manga, and even Garou's feat against ENW gives Supersonic results via a timeframe provided in-universe. You get higher and lower feats from the anime, like Genos fighting Elder Centipede. One example isn't enough.To get MHS+ speeds he would need to have cut 245,816m worth of slashes. yeah no.
Nope.Strength,
um. obviously not, that’s what we were talking about.regeneration,
hell no.endurance
.shifting his marble
clearly not to such a high degree tho.Yes, and he shows how realistic that is by blitzing Melzalgald constantly.
I did. Scroll up a bit.You're not even giving a reason here, you're just saying it's a problem despite the fact that they objectively do what you said and it fails. You even say that's exactly your point, so I don't get how this is a problem.
Never worked cuz they aren’t that much faster.No, no they should not. They did what you said, it never worked until Bang showed his galaxy brain, that's all there is to it.
Good day/night/evening/morning sir.Good day sir.
I'm done arguing with you.
Yeah for actual fodder charactersI mean, we also get Subsonic feats from this stuff by just using the manga,
Objection, relevance. There’s a difference between atrocious author time frame and creating an atrocious time frame.and even Garou's feat against ENW gives Supersonic results via a timeframe provided in-universe.
For speed?You get higher and lower feats from the anime, like Genos fighting Elder Centipede.
Neutral on this, but Zamasu explains why we don't use it here. And Kachon explained that PPP was the only one who reacted to Bang.https://**********/read/gist/OPM/32/52/
honestly seems pretty clear that Puri would've been hit if not for Bang.
Also is consistent with him blitzing the Sky King who is on par with DSK.
He punched away Bang, PPP had difficulty blocking just two fusees, and Melz is a Dragon level threat, so yes.Nope.
That's literally the reason he survived after getting torn apart. Unlike your anime point, it being the subject doesn't negate that.um. obviously not, that’s what we were talking about.
Was he easily put down after any hits? He literally gets torn apart in almost every scene and you're just like 'lol, nope'.hell no.
So you have to deflect because marble shifting obviously played a huge role and was (according to Bang himself) the reason why they couldn't find it..
so speed.
speed.
Yes, to such a high degree. He only gets 1 direct hit, and Bang intercepts his punch half-way through.clearly not to such a high degree tho.
Not a reason.I did. Scroll up a bit.
It never worked even when they were objectively hundreds of times faster. Just stop.Never worked cuz they aren’t that much faster.
No, for Genos. Why do you think there's only a handfull of speed feats that we use to scale the verse?Yeah for actual fodder characters
Objection, it's perfectly relevant. It shows that even the author regards his characters as relatively slow a lot of the time.Objection, relevance. There’s a difference between atrocious author time frame and creating an atrocious time frame.
"Build up" is not speed.For speed?if ur talking about jet arrow drive then def not, anime had a long ass pause for its build up.
No serious damage. Atleast not lethal. Moderate damage.He punched away Bang, PPP had difficulty blocking just two fusees, and Melz is a Dragon level threat, so yes.
. what anime point, time frame?That's literally the reason he survived after getting torn apart. Unlike your anime point, it being the subject doesn't negate that.
Yeah gets torn apart yet they can’t close in, without the consequence of getting hit.Was he easily put down after any hits? He literally gets torn apart in almost every scene and you're just like 'lol, nope'.
Played a huge part yet mr. a monkey could get it took forever to get it. And that’s due to melz speed.So you have to deflect because marble shifting obviously played a huge role and was (according to Bang himself) the reason why they couldn't find it.
All you need is one…there ain’t a “requirement”…speed is the key to survival. nice catch.Where? Honestly, you've shown 1 example of Melzalgald getting a direct hit. In literally every other scene, he gets blown to pieces and cannot physically move in the way he normally does (even you say his regen is slow). Yet speed is somehow the damn key to his survival?No, that's blatantly false, hilariously contradictory and utterly ridiculous.
All he needs.Yes, to such a high degree. He only gets 1 direct hit.
It is.Not a reason.
Exactly, cuz they’re not.It never worked even when they were objectively hundreds of times faster.Just stop.
GenosNo, for Genos. Why do you think there's only a handfull of speed feats that we use to scale the verse?
Regard=/=comprehendObjection, it's perfectly relevant. It shows that even the author regards his characters as relatively slow a lot of the time.
Build ups the wrong word, meant his long ass thrust."Build up" is not speed.
Holds no value since it has no scaling. Well I mean it does…the scaling is > supersonic+ which is still useless, since high hypersonic MB was able to outpace the regen core. Which still leaves speed as the only factor.You know what, you don't have to believe me. The databook confirms the core itself shifts at high speed, and mentions pretty much every aspect of his powers except for extreme speed.
Still did way more than his speed has supposedly done.No serious damage. Atleast not lethal. Moderate damage.
Bruh, have you seen the fight? This would kill someone normally.. what anime point, time frame?
No, just no, just absolutely unequivocally no.Yeah gets torn apart yet they can’t close in, without the consequence of getting hit.
Yet Bang only realised it at the end of the fight.Played a huge part yet mr. a monkey could get it took forever to get it. And that’s due to melz speed.
Funny how he's never dodged even a single punch across the entire fight and gets a hand full of hits, only one of which is direct.All you need is one…there ain’t a “requirement”…speed is the key to survival. nice catch.
Yes, yes they are.Exactly, cuz they’re not.
I have no idea what you're talking about.Genosthat’s Saitama’s feat…which everybody and there mamas scales above that feat >>>>>>>>.
Which doesn't matter here. The point is that they **** up the speed in the first place.Regard=/=comprehend
Do you mean EC trying to hold it back and failing hilariously?Build ups the wrong word, meant his long ass thrust.
It holds absolutely every value because it's how he survives the damn fight.Holds no value since it has no scaling. Well I mean it does…the scaling is > supersonic+ which is still useless, since high hypersonic MB was able to outpace the regen core. Which still leaves speed as the only factor.
At least 2CRealistically speaking, how strong do you think God and Saitama by EoS will be?
Boros fans seething.So what happened when i was gone?