Cross Marian Vs Zagred

[Deceived3596]

SBA
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Vs

(Making this thread now since when Cross gains his resistances he'll basically resist all of Zagred's hax's)

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Cross: Nelliels, LordGinSama, Armityle, Deceived, Lynieryz, Sonicflare9

Zagred: Epsilon_R, speedster352, Arnoldstone18, rawXDglomp

Earl Solo's Both:

 

[joshpiece]

The DGM guy loses GG

 

[Deceived3596]

The DGM guy loses GG

1st: Meat Rider

2nd: Tyki Mikk solo's One Piece

3rd: Tank > Your PFP #1

4th: SM Jiraiya > SM Naruto

5th: Yu Kanda outskills both Zoro and Mihawk

6th: Eat Dick and Balls

 

[joshpiece]

1st: Meat Rider

2nd: Tyki Mikk solo's One Piece

3rd: Tank > Your PFP #1

4th: SM Jiraiya > SM Naruto

5th: Yu Kanda outskills both Zoro and Mihawk

6th: Eat Dick and Balls

All that just to get solo’d by sugar

 

[Deceived3596]

All that just to get solo’d by sugar

 

[speedster352]

Following

 

[CloverDragon03]

Not too knowledgeable about D. Gray-Man but I am seeing Purification and Holy Manipulation for Cross' Innocence abilities which automatically tells me he is capable of destroying Zagred's heart.

Along with his general Reality Warping with Word Soul Magic, I think his most dangerous attacks are his trident (which ignores durability via breaking down whatever it touches) and that hell language purple goo stuff because it absorbs the target's life and encompasses a wide area (it'll keep expanding until Zagred is defeated, and by the time he was defeated, it had encompassed nearly the entire Shadow Palace).

 

[speedster352]

I vote zagred because of his hax, regen and reality warping

 

[Arkenis]

2nd: Tyki Mikk solo's One Piece

spitting

 

[Arkenis]

4th: SM Jiraiya > SM Naruto

W

 

[Arkenis]

which ignores durability via breaking down whatever it touches

won't matter against Cross's innocence. resist atomic decon from dm like against Tyki

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

won't matter against Cross's innocence. resist atomic decon from dm like against Tyki

(Making this thread now since when Cross gains his resistances he'll basically resist all of Zagred's hax's)

 

[LordGinSama]

I vote zagred because of his hax, regen and reality warping

Cross hard counters.

 

[speedster352]

Cross hard counters.

Explain

 

[Arkenis]

Lucifero vs Cross though?

 

[Arkenis]

Explain

Higher resistance to hax plus mind control and Cross has higher ap I believe.

 

[LordGinSama]

Cross can also counter his regeneration via Deconstruction from his Innocence.

 

[Arkenis]

Honestly think Nacht or Lucifero are a tougher match for Cross but idk much about bc

 

[CloverDragon03]

Well first of all, Lucifero AP stomps to the high heavens

 

[Deceived3596]

Bump

(Will address Speedster's and Clover's arguments/questions in a hour or so)

 

[Deceived3596]

I vote zagred because of his hax

What specific hax's do you believe gives Zagred the W?

regen

Regeneration gets negated by the fact that Innocence deconstructs things on a Molecular to Marco-Quantum Level via its purification effect, both of which Zagred can't regenerate from.

reality warping

Can you explain more in-depthly why you believe just because Zagred has Reality Warping he beats Cross?

 

[speedster352]

What specific hax's do you believe gives Zagred the W?


Regeneration gets negated by the fact that Innocence deconstructs things on a Molecular to Marco-Quantum Level via its purification effect, both of which Zagred can't regenerate from.


Can you explain more in-depthly why you believe just because Zagred has Reality Warping he beats Cross?

Zagred was not affected by yunos molecular deconstruction. Zagred also has his spear that deconstructs everything it touches and his magic creatures that suck away life force.

 

[Azevedo128]

What specific hax's do you believe gives Zagred the W?


Regeneration gets negated by the fact that Innocence deconstructs things on a Molecular to Marco-Quantum Level via its purification effect, both of which Zagred can't regenerate from.

That only matters if Zagred's heart is destroyed which he would try to prevent at all costs.

What does Cross have to counter Zagred's life absorption, his spacial manip and power null?

 

[Deceived3596]

Zagred was not affected by yunos molecular deconstruction

1st Cross's Deconstruction is layered since his Innocence scales massively above baseline Innocence which can deconstruct Akuma. He can also deconstruct higher level Akuma who're resistant towards the Deconstruction effects of lower-level Innocence users.

2: Cross's Deconstruction is arguably on a Marco-Quantum Level which is hilariously above Molecular Deconstruction its not even funny.

Zagred also has his spear that deconstructs everything it touches

What stops Cross from using Brain Puppet on Zagred before Zagred can even think about using the spear or before the spear touches him?

his magic creatures that suck away life force.

Cross can use the energy created by Innocence to destroy those magical creatures (Or just use the regular bullets of judgement to do so as well)

 

[Arkenis]

What stops Cross from using Brain Puppet on Zagred before Zagred can even think about using the spear or before the spear touches him?

Zagred resist mind control and its likely to a higher degree.

 

[Deceived3596]

Zagred resist mind control and its likely to a higher degree.

Brain Puppet can mind hax beings that don't even posses minds (Level 4 Akuma)

So he's absolutely not resisting that level of Mind Manipulation.

 

[Arkenis]

Brain Puppet can mind hax beings that don't even posses minds (Level 4 Akuma)

Oh can I see this evidence? I don't remember lvl 4 akumas not having brains

 

[Deceived3596]

Oh can I see this evidence? I don't remember lvl 4 akumas not having brains

Look on his profile, its accepted.

Also re-read what Akuma are and the fight between Allen and Yu Kanda verses that Level 4 in Paris.

Level 4's (And all Akuma for that matter) don't posses a biological mind.

 

[Arkenis]

How does Cross deal with pain inducing

 

[Deceived3596]

How does Cross deal with pain inducing

How does his Pain Manipulation work? what's the level of Pain does it cause?.

Not that even matters since Brain Puppet can control Cross's body despite any physical damage/effect he's facing at the moment, So he'll just have Maria manipulate his body through the pain.

 

[Arkenis]

How does his Pain Manipulation work? what's the level of Pain does it cause?.

Not stated on his page. ill have to check

 

[Deceived3596]

Not stated on his page. ill have to check

Alright. (Not that it really matters as i explained above)

 

[Arkenis]

Yea I think Cross wins pretty reasonably in this.

 

[Arkenis]

Voting Cross fra

 

[Epsilon_R]

What stops Zagred from crushing him by speaking?

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

was not affected by yunos molecular deconstruction

molecular

Yuni's deconstruction didn't even destroy some of the surrounding rocks, just slowly

 

[Epsilon_R]

Yuni's deconstruction didn't even destroy some of the surrounding rocks, just slowly

Still fast enough to deconstruct a Storm of Swords launched at him at high speed

 

[Arkenis]

Still fast enough to deconstruct a Storm of Swords launched at him at high speed

Its speed is kinda irrelevant given the higher decon innocence has

 

[Arkenis]

What stops Zagred from crushing him by speaking?

Im tryna find this in his fight, how exactly does it work and happen

 

[Epsilon_R]

Brain Puppet can mind hax beings that don't even posses minds (Level 4 Akuma)

Level 4's (And all Akuma for that matter) don't posses a biological mind.

So, a brain? If so, Zagred doesn't have one.

Unless it can work on target without a brain that has mind resistance, I doubt it will affect Zagred