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Death Battle Season Eight Discussion Thread (2) (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)

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Also if anything Steven has a higher chance of coming back then Star since he can be used in a team battle with Connie agienst Finn and Jack, Mordecai and Rigby and Gumball and Dawin.
 
I imagined Timmy Turner vs Twilight had no meaningful connections and was just for people to get Twilight again and not have Timmy MUs they didn't like. What are the connections? Timmy vs Maxwell, Timmy alone vs Johnny Test, or against Grim, Billy & Mandy seem like way better MUs, even Star would appear to have more connections.
 
Eficiente said:
I imagined Timmy Turner vs Twilight had no meaningful connections and was just for people to get Twilight again and not have Timmy MUs they didn't like. What are the connections? Timmy vs Maxwell, Timmy alone vs Johnny Test, or against Grim, Billy & Mandy seem like way better MUs, even Star would appear to have more connections.
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Waiting on the answer from a friend of mine. He spent 8 years researching and working on a text fight for these two.
 
Tots_Real said:
Also if anything Steven has a higher chance of coming back then Star since he can be used in a team battle with Connie agienst Finn and Jack, Mordecai and Rigby and Gumball and Dawin.
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Doubtful
Steven is not up there in the Vs community especially as far as Runback goes
And the only other SU rep we could get is Garnet,Pearl and Amethyst as a team, Lapis maybe Spinel and that's it
 
CinnabarManx421 said:
Waiting on the answer from a friend of mine. He spent 8 years researching and working on a text fight for these two.
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Was that the one linked in the Timmy vs Twilight MU song? I vaguely remember connections written there but as something that could be use to give characters 12 to 20 MUs rather than something on their top 5 MUs. Unless I misremember or new connections came up, I know connections exist but opine that other MUs have notably more (counting contrasts between characters too).
 
Eficiente said:
Was that the one linked in the Timmy vs Twilight MU song? I vaguely remember connections written there but as something that could be use to give characters 12 to 20 MUs rather than something on their top 5 MUs. Unless I misremember or new connections came up, I know connections exist but opine that other MUs have notably more (counting contrasts between characters too).
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Yeah that’s the one. He was also the one who commissioned the song.
 
I know, the song's pretty good. I only know 1 of the themes fused & mixed together to create it.
 
Eficiente said:
I imagined Timmy Turner vs Twilight had no meaningful connections and was just for people to get Twilight again and not have Timmy MUs they didn't like. What are the connections? Timmy vs Maxwell, Timmy alone vs Johnny Test, or against Grim, Billy & Mandy seem like way better MUs, even Star would appear to have more connections.
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Tots_Real said:
I guess I could see it, he'd probably win either so I wouldn't complain.
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Timmy VS Twilight – Prelude

The Fairly OddParents VS My Little Pony! After years of development, two of animation’s most admired, pint-sized magic users will finally meet and engage in a duel of enchanting arts!
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Funnily enough, Twilight actually stomps so that's a W in my book.

As for connections: I know they exist besides Tara Strong and magic users, but I can't find the list
 
Eficiente said:
I imagined Timmy Turner vs Twilight had no meaningful connections and was just for people to get Twilight again and not have Timmy MUs they didn't like. What are the connections? Timmy vs Maxwell, Timmy alone vs Johnny Test, or against Grim, Billy & Mandy seem like way better MUs, even Star would appear to have more connections.
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Here’s my friends answer:

Similarities:
• Both were bestowed with the gift of magic in some special way, which they utilized in their everyday life. They also use said magic to help resolve issues or save the world.
• Both are the main protagonists of two highly acclaimed, long-running animated shows that lasted ten seasons, spawning many spin-off material including comics, movies and video games among other media.
• Both are voiced by actress Tara Strong.
• Both possess multiple forms of magic and can utilize a series of transformations or equip special gear to gain even more powers.
• A considerable amount of their abilities or equipment share similarities with each other.
• Both have traveled to alternate universes before and have crossed over with other franchises (most notably, those of which are neighboring series owned by their respective parent companies).
• Both have assisted in saving the multiverse numerous times.
• Both have traveled into books and the world of literature in general, most notably comic books (which, with the help of magic, allows them to become their own unique superhero alter-ego).
• Both have traveled through time and have met other versions of themselves.
• Both have traveled inside of their own heads before.
• Both have temporarily been evil before, for particular reasons (though usually return to normal by the end of said story).
• Both have contended with and even outsmarted powerful or intelligent foes on a near-regular basis, including god-like entities.
• Both are incredibly crafty and are almost always thinking of potential solutions on the fly (though will also sometimes require help from others depending on the problem).
• Both have utilized their own harmonic forces of magic to help battle and reform evil forces.
• Both are destined through prophecy to save their worlds from tyranny and destruction.
 
Tots_Real said:
How exactly though? Like I get she outclasses him in raw power but a hypotherical peak Timmy is immune to magic and is around 30 times to like 400 million times faster then twilight (based on the profiles), I don't see why Timmy wouldn't just use his superior speed to hax stomp her.
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Should probably just read the fight through to see the results and stats
 
Jasonsith said:
Well Ash vs Yugi Muto is rivalled by Ash vs Lucy Heartfilia while Yugi Muto has Sakura Kinomoto and Aichi Sendou and that Chalkzone character that people request to rather fight Maxwell
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True and I do have trouble thinking of MUs for Lucy but Ash vs Yugi is a legacy match up. Man, they were rock stars in the early 2000s. Both continue the fight next to Magic: The Gathering.
 
CinnabarManx421 said:
Should probably just read the fight through to see the results and stats
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Just speed read it, Timmy's speed seems massively lowballed while twilight is scaled to a feat of Celestia and Loona moving stars which seems like a stretch and the source to those claims are from back of toy cases.
 
Tots_Real said:
Just speed read it, Timmy's speed seems massively lowballed while twilight is scaled to a feat of Celestia and Loona moving stars which seems like a stretch and the source to those claims are from back of toy cases.
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Probably shouldn’t speed read cause then you don’t really get the full picture. According to him, any higher speed feats are exaggerated or don’t scale back to him. And the speed doesn’t even matter anyway cause she can freeze him in place whenever with her tk. And the thing about Celestia moving stars isn’t from a toy case, it’s from the official trading card game which Hasbro has to review and give the OK to the cards before they’re made. And that’s not even the source of the moving stars thing, it comes from a tweet Lauren Faust herself made saying Celestia moved the stars when NM was released.
 
CinnabarManx421 said:
Probably shouldn’t speed read cause then you don’t really get the full picture.
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Gotta be honest I'm watching a batman movies right now so I wasn't really paying to much attention.
CinnabarManx421 said:
According to him, any higher speed feats are exaggerated or don’t scale back to him.
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Cosmo was able to casually do this

in about a minute, which is a distance between 1 trillion miles to debatable a whole other galaxy away, later in Abracatastrophe an serious amped Cosmo fought god emperor Crooker who after absorbing the power of Cosmo fought on equal footing to Timmy.
CinnabarManx421 said:
And the speed doesn’t even matter anyway cause she can freeze him in place whenever with her tk.
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But if Timmy's fast enouph he can hax her before she can use her tk.
CinnabarManx421 said:
And the thing about Celestia moving stars isn’t from a toy case, it’s from the official trading card game which Hasbro has to review and give the OK to the cards before they’re made.
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Same difference.
CinnabarManx421 said:
And that’s not even the source of the moving stars thing, it comes from a tweet Lauren Faust herself made saying Celestia moved the stars when NM was released.
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I can't find that part but I'll believe you, still this feels like a very questionable feat.
 
Tots_Real said:
Cosmo was able to casually do this

in about a minute, which is a distance between 1 trillion miles to debatable a whole other galaxy away, later in Abracatastrophe an serious amped Cosmo fought god emperor Crooker who after absorbing the power of Cosmo fought on equa

But if Timmy's fast enouph he can hax her before she can use her tk.
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This is what he had to say about that.

“There's also some other speed feats in FOP that cannot be measured because they are nonsensical in nature/didn't provide actual numbers to use like Cosmo going from Earth to Yugopotamia, but that is easily debunked by watching the scene and realizing:
1. The number Timmy and Cosmo provide is not a real number and is deliberately exaggerated because Timmy is upset about an unrelated situation
2. Earth is literally shown near the planet in the same scene Cosmo arrives in
Also, Yugopatamia is obviously not a real planet and no details about where it is situated in what galaxy or star system or wherever is never given, so we can't even compare it to real life cosmology”

And as for him being fast enough he can only get that fast via his amps and forms while Twi is naturally that fast, and she has things to counter his forms/get rid of them as well.
 
CinnabarManx421 said:
1. The number Timmy and Cosmo provide is not a real number and is deliberately exaggerated because Timmy is upset about an unrelated situation
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A million million is a real thing, that's what a trillion is, in the same way a thousand thousand is a million.
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2. Earth is literally shown near the planet in the same scene Cosmo arrives in
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The scene is about mark pining for Vicky who is on earth, it's a "person face on the moon" sort of thing.
 
To add to the discussion, one of the major rules in FOP is that fairy magic can't affect more powerful magic, like the magic muffin for instance.

Since Twilight's magical power (especially AP wise) is way higher than anything seen in FOP, there's an extremely high chance that Timmy's magic straight up will fail to work on Twilight, while meanwhile she has spells to steal magic along with omnidirectional TK and extremely far range.

(Plus if we want to play the outlier game, MLP has timeless void feats and other crazy BS as well. Plus they're probably closer to 2-C honestly)
 
Because the magic muffin is a fully magical item, Timmy can't get past it because things that are fully magic are immune to magic. Faires and most magical creatures aren't fully magic, so they can be effected by magic but items like Santa's sack, the magic muffine or a magical desk are immune.
 
Tots_Real said:
A million million is a real thing, that's what a trillion is, in the same way a thousand thousand is a million.

The scene is about mark pining for Vicky who is on earth, it's a "person face on the moon" sort of thing.
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“It doesn't matter if you can retroactively translate it into a real number
Mainly because if the answer was a trillion, they would've said it
Also that last bit is speculation, we still see Earth in the shot regardless as the camera pans to the side
It isn't an apparition that's poofed up by Cosmo or imagined by either of the two characters
Regardless, it is not a usable feat”

The Earth is still there in the next shot.
 
OverlordDonnelly said:
To add to the discussion, one of the major rules in FOP is that fairy magic can't affect more powerful magic, like the magic muffin for instance.

Since Twilight's magical power (especially AP wise) is way higher than anything seen in FOP, there's an extremely high chance that Timmy's magic straight up will fail to work on Twilight, while meanwhile she has spells to steal magic along with omnidirectional TK and extremely far range.
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That rule actually doesn't exist, what they said was that magical items couldn't be affected, they have affected stronger magic and magic users many times, like Jorgen, the strongest fairy in the universe, all through the show and even in that movie. Cosmo & Wanda's son, Poof, is also vaguely implied to be have more powerful magic than them and affect him and what he does with magic is often done.

I could go over other stuff, but in short something that really gives the match to Timmy is speed. It's not in his profile yet as I'm tackling things from 1 season at a time, but base Timmy at his best, Cosmo & Wanda scale to the Darkness. The Darkness was looking up for Timmy in space while being stated to not be in our galaxy, and when he knew Timmy was on Earth he flew there and arrived in like 5 to 10 minutes. The Darkness shows having flight speed on par with his reactions when he ate all fairies in the space posing as stars for Earth, which the Darkness did on screen, twice, in around 2 seconds and in random order.
 
CinnabarManx421 said:
I mean considering Toffee had nothing to do with the finale that shouldn’t exclude him from appearing, plus they had Star who literally caused the finale so the controversy probably doesn’t matter to them. Then again Toffee probably wouldn’t come in because he has no real moveset anyway, his best feats were while doing a hyper specific possession of someone else.
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My fanfiction is that Toffee didn't die, but only his psychical body was destroyed, and his spirit posessed Star and her family to destroy the realm.
 
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