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STRONGEST One-Punch Man Discussion Thread!

Kin201 said:
It is just me but another translation I read implies the robot raised its arms to block.
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This translation is actually quite badass if you think about it. Him disabling the self-destruct mechanism instead of plain outspeeding it implies he's precise enough with his horn to disable a delicate mechanism on a super advanced drone while skillfully taking it apart.
 
ByAsura said:
I wonder how powerful webcomic GS would be if Tatsumaki didn’t kill Multi-Cell Sperm and the 10,000 kamikazee.
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It could be possible that would've led to Platinum Sperm.

After all, even in the webcomic, Golden Sperm isn't the ultimate version of Black Sperm
 
ByAsura said:
According to the Murata quote, Saitama sees this move as a nothing, just a bad joke and casually threw a stone faster.

Boros isn't telepathic, but he's capable of noticing something that moves fast, which did include Saitama when he reacted to the rocks at FTL speeds.

Also, Boros is FTL due to the huge difference between the portrayal of Geryu's specific attack and Boros. At best, you'd get something like 'possibly at least Relativistic+' for Orochi since we can't even confirm if it's speed, and the other two Combatants aren’t scaled to Geryu’s rocks.

Also, even if AC could sense Orochi's killing intent, nothing indicates he didn't react at all to Orochi.
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How does Boros KNOW Saitama reacted? All he saw was Saitama standing stock still and tanking the rocks. The exact same thing ya’ll use to say Orochi doesn’t scale.
 
Even so there’s still Psykorochi’s most likely relativistic beams Tatsumaki scales to, but they’re being ignored.
 
If light speed Orochi is accepted, then light speed reaction for Metal Knight because he blocked Orochi's attack but only went through with its piercing
 
I don’t see anything suggesting he didn’t see. But then it’s something that’s hard to prove in the first place, so I give up.

No, it isn’t the same logic. The fact is, Boros was keeping up with Saitama and he didn’t see him as a bad joke. You’re just claiming he’s faster because Orochi could win in a fight.

What are the relativistic beams based on?
 
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Whiz_Almighty said:
If light speed Orochi is accepted, then light speed reaction for Metal Knight because he blocked Orochi's attack but only went through with its piercing
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Nothing there suggest Metal Knight reacted in any way. He was most likely in defence mode before the attack even began: “I don’t know what he did, but I THINK he hit me with a horn.”
 
ByAsura said:
I don’t see anything suggesting he didn’t see. But then

No, it isn’t the same logic. The fact is, Boros was keeping up with Saitama and he didn’t see him as a bad joke.

What are the relativistic beams based on?
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Boros wasn’t keeping up with Saitama. That’s a baseless headcanon. Saitama was keeping down for Boros. Saitama wasn’t even throwing punches for 95% of the fight. He was letting him have his fun.

The beams may be relativistic for crossing the earth in easily under a second.
 
You see Saitama throwing counters in the ship and even get hit by an attack he’s not expecting.

Where’s it shown to be under a second?
 
If light speed Orochi is accepted, then light speed reaction for Metal Knight because he blocked Orochi's attack but only went through with its piercing
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Lightspeed shouldn't be accepted for Orochi.
 
ByAsura said:
You see Saitama throwing counters in the ship and even get hit by an attack he’s not expecting.

Where’s it shown to be under a second?
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Not counters; he was catching Boros’ strikes, with an incredibly bored expression. He got hit by an attack? Oh, Suiryu also landed attacks, so Suiryu should get upgraded too to FTL??

It can cross the earth fast enough that the slice itself (Psykorochi had to swing it) was fast enough that the water on top of it, and the cracks caused by its own weight, all happened at the same time. It was an instant. It’s fair to say the speed of the beams themself should be faster faster than Psykorochi‘s swing speed.
 
They were counters. How could you catch an attack with hands in that position?

Way different scenario. Suiryu didn’t catch Saitama off guard.

You’re talking about tens of kilometres of cracks and water. 5 seconds is fairly reasonable.

Also, I don’t really see why they’d be significantly faster. Do we see them shoot off through that portion of the Earth and far into space?
 
ByAsura said:
They were counters. How could you catch an attack with hands in that position?

Way different scenario. Suiryu didn’t catch Saitama off guard.

You’re talking about tens of kilometres of cracks and water. 5 seconds is fairly reasonable.
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They’re not counters. He’s literally catching and BLOCKING. Since when does Saitama ever fight with open-palm strikes? Notice how Boros is clearly using FISTS and Saitama’s hands are open??

”Suiryu didn’t catch Saitama off guard” Oh so he’s FASTER? Lmao.

5 seconds? Wow, the absolute downplay. 5 seconds for the ENTIRE SLICE to fly into the air and come into the ground, MAYBE. But we’re referring to the speed of the beam slicing through the continent and onto the other side.
 
I’m fairly sure that’s what counters are, like countering a hit by blocking. His fists are open, but his palms are always behind his fingers, so it’s safe to say the only thing he’s catching were your subpar arguments.

You can be slower than someone (obviously not like a dozen times slower) and still catch them off guard.

I know what’s you mean. And also, you’re really wanking this feat here; the water started falling a fair way down to the Earth in about the same time as it was dropping.
 
ByAsura said:
I’m fairly sure that’s what counters are, like countering a hit by blocking. His fists are open, but his palms are always behind his fingers.

What are you on about?

I know what’s you mean. And also, you’re really wanking this feat here; the water fell down to the Earth in about the same time as it dropped.
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Ok, so? This just proves my point. Boros isn’t keeping up, Saitama is keeping down. He’s LETTING Boros hit him instead of just OBLITERATING him with punches.

What are YOU on about?

That isn’t the point. The point is all the water is /falling at the same time/, the water where the laser first hit doesn’t have a significant lead over the water at the end of the slice. That wouldn’t be the same if it took more than a second for it to happen. The cracks, too.
 
For a very lengthy period. Then they bust out of the ship and Saitama calls him strong right. My point is that, while Saitama is faster, it’s not like the level of speed he’s using is low enough to be on the level of something he considers a bad joke. He also tends to either dodge or tank hits from these kinds of guys.

See the edit.

Again, I know what you meant, the last part was only in reference to what you said afterwards about the timeframe of the slice being the only part that’s probably 5 seconds.

You’ve mentioned cracks again, but this is still something that’s still happening over tens of kilometres. The water wouldn’t even visibly move, especially since it wouldn’t even fall downwards until the disc is raised.
 
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Tural2004 said:
Garou's actions in the recent chapter might be a set-up for this
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Might be, but it's kinda hard to imagine him going through another near death experience considering he let SC and EOW hit him for Tareo and didn't take more than superficial damage. Can't see any hero damaging him that heavily either, even if they use backstabbing and betrayal.
But who knows, God might do something or maybe his monsterification goes through another evolution like it did vs Darkshine and he gets incapacitated by it again.
 
Epiccheev said:
Might be, but it's kinda hard to imagine him going through another near death experience considering he let SC and EOW hit him for Tareo and didn't take more than superficial damage. Can't see any hero damaging him that heavily either, even if they use backstabbing and betrayal.
But who knows, God might do something or maybe his monsterification goes through another evolution like it did vs Darkshine and he gets incapacitated by it again.
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Well considering the PE of EOW and how much water he used in the jet attack, that was a very weak attack. Also, SC def got something in mind or Garou just str8 up goes berserk(possibly from Tareo fake death)
 
Another brilliant comment from a reply to a reddit post

"Did people not pick up in the webcomic that the story was deliberately trying to trick you into thinking he was evil? Like, in the final fight the story went out of it's way to make him as unlikable as possible. Because the story knew that if it could trick you into believing Garou was evil, it could get its final message across that much more effectively, by flipping the script on the reader and saying "Hey, you made the same flawed assumption as the heroes. See how easy it is?"

It's not about whether Garou is actually good or evil. That's completely irrelevant. It's about who believes he is evil. Is Garou actually able convince anyone that he's evil, and what does that say about them? He convinced the heroes, he could have convinced the reader, and couldn't convince Saitama. Now the question is, who is correct and why? And that question and its inevitable discussion is the conflict of the story.

So what's the question in the manga? Who is Garou convincing now? The reader? Naw, we showed you Garou's soft side like 30 times now. The heroes? Hell naw. Bang and Metal Bat picked up on it right quick. Society? I doubt it. If himbo Suiryu can figure it out at a glance I doubt it was convincing to anyone else. The monsters? Nope. They all see right through him.

So now here's the question. Who's left? Who's left to explore this idea? Who's left to offer an alternate perspective? What questions and discussions is Garou brining to the table now that he's completely transparent? When we all know he's not evil by this point. If the only people prepared to call Garou a monster are assholes like Sweet Mask and Tatsumaki, who the readers already dislike and are probably prepared to dismiss regardless, what actual argument is to be had? What commentary is left remaining in Garou's character when we were all given the answer before his arc is even half over?"
 
AtomicSekiro said:
Orochi being FTL due to Blitzting AC’s senses WAS deemed an outlier, but the situation is different now that we have actual lightspeed feats.

There’s also the statement of Orochi literally FODDERISING Geryuganshoop, and that’s the same scaling Boros’ speed rating logic uses, but Orochi doesn’t scale due to the headcanon of “he just tanks the damage” which is very arbitrary and selective in Boros’ favour, but that statement coupled with him Blitzting AC makes it more consistent that he can be FTL.

And that’s not mentioning his pre-redraw feats of him dodging a normal attack from Saitama at point blank range, although that was sadly retconned in the redraw, although one could argue Redraw Orochi was just stunned and shocked and had less time to react from a more pissed off Saitama.

But I don’t care to make CRTs and I reckon it’d just get thrown out anyway. Someone else can try tho.
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In the past I thought it was crazy too, but not today, even more than that would only climb the top tier.
Garou wouldn't escalate to this as Orochi was holding back and didn't want to kill him if he hadn't already done so, just like he did with Cockroach.
 
LordTracer said:
That looks like something that needs to be downgraded.
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That's KE of this feat, I assume. Can't find the actual calc though...

In any case his lifting strength is athletic at the very least, possibly even peak human. He's got 3 dudes on his back and is hauling Captain Mizuki by the arm, if those guys weigh a little more than the average Japanese man at 70 kg(a fair assumption since they're ripped, like 5'9-6'0 dudes) He's darn near bench squatting 210kg.

Senkigar's outlifting most of us for sure. If I get my squat up to 210 kg I'll be happy.
 
Dienomite22 said:
Another brilliant comment from a reply to a reddit post

"Did people not pick up in the webcomic that the story was deliberately trying to trick you into thinking he was evil? Like, in the final fight the story went out of it's way to make him as unlikable as possible. Because the story knew that if it could trick you into believing Garou was evil, it could get its final message across that much more effectively, by flipping the script on the reader and saying "Hey, you made the same flawed assumption as the heroes. See how easy it is?"

It's not about whether Garou is actually good or evil. That's completely irrelevant. It's about who believes he is evil. Is Garou actually able convince anyone that he's evil, and what does that say about them? He convinced the heroes, he could have convinced the reader, and couldn't convince Saitama. Now the question is, who is correct and why? And that question and its inevitable discussion is the conflict of the story.

So what's the question in the manga? Who is Garou convincing now? The reader? Naw, we showed you Garou's soft side like 30 times now. The heroes? Hell naw. Bang and Metal Bat picked up on it right quick. Society? I doubt it. If himbo Suiryu can figure it out at a glance I doubt it was convincing to anyone else. The monsters? Nope. They all see right through him.

So now here's the question. Who's left? Who's left to explore this idea? Who's left to offer an alternate perspective? What questions and discussions is Garou brining to the table now that he's completely transparent? When we all know he's not evil by this point. If the only people prepared to call Garou a monster are assholes like Sweet Mask and Tatsumaki, who the readers already dislike and are probably prepared to dismiss regardless, what actual argument is to be had? What commentary is left remaining in Garou's character when we were all given the answer before his arc is even half over?"
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I think this Sums it all up perfectly
 
Ourosboros said:
That's KE of this feat, I assume. Can't find the actual calc though...

In any case his lifting strength is athletic at the very least, possibly even peak human. He's got 3 dudes on his back and is hauling Captain Mizuki by the arm, if those guys weigh a little more than the average Japanese man at 70 kg(a fair assumption since they're ripped, like 5'9-6'0 dudes) He's darn near bench squatting 210kg.

Senkigar's outlifting most of us for sure. If I get my squat up to 210 kg I'll be happy.
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He's dragging Crescent Eyebroll with his other arm as well.

Whatever Sekingar's LS actually is, I think it should be used to give a rating to all of the C-A Class heroes who have an Unknown LS rating, as well.

Sekingar stated that he failed the hero entrance exam, and since he's smart enough to be a Hero Association Executive, I strongly doubt that he failed it due to the academic portion of the exam. So most heroes who've passed the exam should probably have comparable, if not greater LS to Sekingar. There'd be a few exceptions though, off the top of my head I'd immediately think of Gearsper and Green, but the latter doesn't have a profile.
 
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