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Nope, Granolah literally immediately says that UI's autododge gets less accurate over time, and his sharingan allows him to pick out those tiny openings in UI's decreasing accuracy which is how Goku was caught off guard despite being in UI. I explained this in my very first comment on this thread. I agree that lazer was PIS, but so is this, Goku's accuracy drop never existed until he was magically defeated just so vegeta could shine for a bit.How is this off guard excuse being used now? The whole point of UI is for Goku to never be off guard since UI allows his body to react on it's own without him thinking. He should never be considered off guard, ever. It's a contradiction to the principle of what UI is and does. Goku getting felled by a lazer gun was PIS. Goku was actively in battle with Granolah and in UI, it seems very hard to justify he was off guard. He was also hit by the real Granolah, not the clone he was fighting. It seemed pretty clear that UI Goku was able to handle the Clone at first but just got one-shot by the real Granolah. Granolah even says the clone only has "some" of his power. Rather than Goku was off guard, it seems more likely that the real Granolah is just much stronger than Goku is.
This was all the way back in yardrat... why are you bringing this up... and no even then it's not true, Vegeta's base got massively stronger but so did Goku, once he arrived on earth all the Z fighters were impressed by how strong he'd gotten. SSBE being 20x is anime only I'm pretty sure. Yup, UIS in the TOP was > SSBE Vegeta, and they had equal bases then, which means UIS > SSBE. No that is so wrong, UIS Goku was fighting equal with more but his stamina screwed him, but SSBE vegeta wasn't nearly as impressive to the Z fighters, Moro was able to easily take care of vegeta and only lost because vegeta was stealing his power with every attack, Vegeta doesn't actually scale to youth moro, only UIS Goku does. And that's why 73 moro knew to not let vegeta hit him at all so that to prevent him losing while having the stat advantage like last time. Explained why UI Goku was K.O'd by granolah. In the granolah arc, they had the same difficulty avoiding granolah's attacks why they were both in SSJ, they had equal bases before this arc and the training they did was only technique training not strength, so they do have equal bases.It was heavily implied on Yardrat, that Vegeta has a stronger base than Goku due to his better level of Spirit Control. SSBE was also quantified to be equal to SSBKKx20, making it a 20x boost. UIO Goku was shown in the ToP to be far above this same SSBE Vegeta. Meaning the multiplier for UIO had to be bigger than SSBE. In the Moro Arc, Vegeta's SSBE went from massively weaker than UIO Goku to being superior to UIO Goku. If their bases were the same Vegeta should have been much weaker with his form that gives a lower multiplier to power. Instead he was stronger. Not possible unless Vegeta has a higher base. Now we have UI Goku felled by real Granolah while Vegeta performed better with the same SSBE. Also not possible unless Vegeta's base is much higher than Goku's. Goku only performed so well due to his innate use of UI in non-silver haired forms. Their bases are not equal, your whole argument falls apart because of this.
the other mister also brought up the same point so I'll just copy paste the response.Saying Goku should be far above Granolah and Vegeta is contradicted by Granolah's wish to be the strongest. Granolah is stronger by default after the wish. We do not know how much stronger he is than the rest of the mortal world so we can't assume Goku's training allowed him to pass Granolah. If it did, then Goku or Vegeta should have beat him pretty easily. Since that didn't happen for either of them, Goku passing him with training did not happen. The feats of the fight itself also contradict this as Vegeta performed better as a SSBE than Goku did with UI and Vegeta was fighting the real Granolah, not a clone like Goku who only had "some" of Granolah's power. Putting Goku above real Granolah seems silly.
"Also the 'strongest in the universe' shit is brought up in the chapter and explained why it doesn't mean shit. Vegeta says 'strongest, second strongest? rankings are well and good, but they only reflect a moment in time, once that moment has passed by, it's nothing but history.' This is amazing explanation on why granolah's "strongest" doesn't mean crap."
I hate repeating myself so much but I have to do this. 1. No, explained above, Goku didn't react to granolah because he was distracted and confused and UI didn't save him for reasons above 2. Goku was off guard vegeta wasn't, and was still hit, how is this a feat????? 3. Yup, had it not been for the healing of UE, vegeta would have bled to death due to having his organs destroyed. Stop comparing the attack vegeta took to Goku's, Goku had it far worse I explained this so many times, Goku was off guard so his durability is less, vegeta wasn't and even tried stopping the attack which made granolah barely connect 2. he was hit in the vital organs heart and lungs unlike vegeta who was hit in the less lethal guts 3. Both were defeated anyway but Goku took a punch to the wound hole directly after recieving this hit.1. Goku was in UI and in combat, he wasn't off guard. Granolah is just that much stronger than him. 2. Doubles as a perception feat for Vegeta. Typical in DB when a character is stronger than another. Instead of off guard, Vegeta could just be stronger. It would explain why he took the hit and was able to react to it better than Goku did. 3. Defeated? Vegeta laughs afterwards, talks about getting his blood pumping, then transforms. If he can laugh, indulge in the battle to come, and transform, there isn't much reason to think he was done. He took a big hit that hurt but came back for more. Goku took a hit like that and it was zzzzzzz.
No Goku is the one with the huge stat advantage, so vegeta will be defeated before he gets enough power to do anything meaningful. Stamina is pointless for both though, or more like negligible.Stamina is pointless in this fight as UE Vegeta can beat Goku even with it not being piss poor. Goku has shown us that UI can be hit by people around his power level. Vegeta is implied to be stronger as a SSBE and probably much stronger as UE. Goku will be fighting an opponent who should be stronger by a large margin, has no stamina drain issues at all, and will continue to get even stronger as the fight goes on. This seems like a pretty cut and dry win for UE Vegeta here.
Please read my arguments.Vegeta wins this, Goku lose really quick to real body Granolah while Vegeta could stay fighting for more time, ''But Accuracy drop'' And? how does it matter if it also will quickly drain against Vegeta as well? also, Goku have no real scaling with Granolah true body while Vegeta does
I vote Vegeta