The Saiyan's have to stop a rouge Triangle | Goku and Vegeta vs Bill Cipher | 1-1-0

[DivineAura44]

He takes seconds to become planet-sized.

Looks cut away but . Regardless, his growth right there doesn't seem to offset the planet as you claimed, is there a reason to believe this would be different?

• Teleportation and Intangibility (Has shown the ability to disappear into thin air,[1] somehow appeared behind Dipper while he was looking directly at Bill.[5] He also was able to come through the ground behind Dipper without alerting him even though Dipper was looking right at him[5])
• Duplication (Is able to make several versions of himself and control all of them[9])
• Enhanced Duplication (Briefly demonstrated in his battle against Shacktron by making several exact clones himself to confuse Shacktron)

All the scans are here. You can see that those are pretty instant as well, as they're thought-based.

Sorry but I don't think it would work. Zamasu does have thought based hax and a pretty important one at that, the Kai Kai. It's an instantaneous thought based teleportation technique that Zamasu is stated to have. Despite this, Zamasu is clearly rendered unable to do anything. I don't think any of Bill's hax would work

 

[StrymULTRA]

Looks cut away but . Regardless, his growth right there doesn't seem to offset the planet as you claimed, is there a reason to believe this would be different?

You're right on the second part, but the thing is that he'd still destroy the bottle from that growth.

Sorry but I don't think it would work. Zamasu does have thought based hax and a pretty important one at that, the Kai Kai. It's an instantaneous thought based teleportation technique that Zamasu is stated to have. Despite this, Zamasu is clearly rendered unable to do anything. I don't think any of Bill's hax would work

Zamasu never used the Kai Kai IC though. Plus why wouldn't Bill be able to create clones which aren't involved in the Mafuba anyway? They're different beings.

 

[DivineAura44]

You're right on the second part, but the thing is that he'd still destroy the bottle from that growth.
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Once again, that's up for debate. I personally don't believe there is any reason to think that size would break the bottle. The whole purpose is to turn you into spirit soup so that you can fit in the bottle. I think that at this point we can leave it up to the voters. I mean the purpose of the battles isn't to beat me in the debate. If you think you are convincing enough than you get the voters to agree with you regardless so I think we can agree to disagree.

Zamasu never used the Kai Kai IC though. Plus why wouldn't Bill be able to create clones which aren't involved in the Mafuba anyway? They're different beings.

If you are trapped in a paralysis technique, why would you not use one of your thought based teleportation techniques? It's the only logical decision. I think Bill can create clones, I'm just wondering what it could do. I'm assuming you are making the size argument again which I don't think is productive because while possible, I doubt I could convince you and I doubt you could convince me. If the jar is human sized to fit humans, this argument would make sense but the jar is already too small to fit people despite that it can still contain people and it's stated that Mafuba can work in ANY container so why assume that Bill being bigger would have repercussions now?

 

[Brogeefrong]

bump?

 

[Brogeefrong]

Bump

 

[Brogeefrong]

bump

 

[DivineAura44]

I think the arguments for both sides have been fleshed out, it's now just a waiting game.

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

This is a mismatch because either Bill haxes or, the way this match is currently, Goku seals

 

[DivineAura44]

This is a mismatch because either Bill haxes or, the way this match is currently, Goku seals

So it's mismatch because both have win cons?
Edit: I now see what you mean, you are saying Bill can't win as this is now presented.

 

[ShionAH]

So it's mismatch because both have win cons?

Its a mismatch since for Bill to lose we have to give every advantage we can give to Goku and Vegeta

 

[Brogeefrong]

This is a mismatch because either Bill haxes or, the way this match is currently, Goku seals

Saiyan's are faster but have a slower wincon
Bill is slower but has a faster wincon

 

[Brogeefrong]

Its a mismatch since for Bill to lose we have to give every advantage we can give to Goku and Vegeta

Those advantages are still allowed to be given in a match

 

[DivineAura44]

Those advantages are still allowed to be given in a match

Makes it feel disingenuous tho. Still allowed but I don't like it.

 

[Brogeefrong]

Bump

 

[Brogeefrong]

Bump

 

[Brogeefrong]

and also does can the saiyans halt bill from snapping by punching his phsyical form

 

[DivineAura44]

and also does can the saiyans halt bill from snapping by punching his phsyical form

He'd use thought based hax to stop them. He could teleport, put their eyes behind their head so they can't see, etc.

 

[Adem_Warlock69]

He'd use thought based hax to stop them. He could teleport, put their eyes behind their head so they can't see, etc.

The eye thing is done with a snap, Bill barely has any thought-based hax

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

Hate that this mf is still bumping this cuz Bill literally can't win with the Saiyans having every advantage against him

 

[DivineAura44]

The eye thing is done with a snap, Bill barely has any thought-based hax

Oh, he can still teleport though right?

 

[DivineAura44]

Hate that this mf is still bumping this cuz Bill literally can't win with the Saiyans having every advantage against him

Dont the Saiyans have to stop, place the jar and then charged up the mafuba? Vegeta can't even perform the mafuba, only Goku can. If Bill can literally get one second to teleport any and snap Goku's eyes into his ears, then they lose. Not to mention Strym & Scaler are currently arguing against in Bill can even be comtained in the container. Bill can still win.

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

Dont the Saiyans have to stop, place the jar and then charged up the mafuba? Vegeta can't even perform the mafuba, only Goku can. If Bill can literally get one second to teleport any and snap Goku's eyes into his ears, then they lose. Not to mention Strym & Scaler are currently arguing against in Bill can even be comtained in the container. Bill can still win.

OP gave the Saiyans 30 minutes of prep time and prior knowledge so they're doing this the instant the fight begins

This guy wants his match

 

[Brogeefrong]

Ill take out the prep time then

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

I'd prefer if a mod just closed this fuckass thread

 

[DivineAura44]

Ill take out the prep time then

Then they ******* lose, there's literally no shot they go for Mafuba fast enough.

 

[DivineAura44]

I'd prefer if a mod just closed this fuckass thread

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

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