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Wouldnt possessing something else be outside help
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The Saiyan's have to stop a rouge Triangle | Goku and Vegeta vs Bill Cipher | 1-1-0
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Idk, he used his own power to possesses, also we have DBH characters which can summon dozen of help isn't considered to be invalid, so as long as it is their own abilities, it is fine
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He needs a deal to possess something anyways so i think sealing could work
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Goku TUI+UE Vegeta 30 minutes of prep+prior knowledge and the jar Versus Physical Form Bill Cipher
Hakai is their only wincon
But Physical attacks wont work cause Bill is Intangible.
What are Goku and Vegeta going to do against Time Stop though? Pretty sure they don't have resistance to that and Bill passively slows down time im pretty sure (gotta check).
Hakai is their only wincon
But Physical attacks wont work cause Bill is Intangible.
What are Goku and Vegeta going to do against Time Stop though? Pretty sure they don't have resistance to that and Bill passively slows down time im pretty sure (gotta check).
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Plus Bills Hax are like really really Busted soo much so that it's not even funny.
A measly 30 minute won't give you counters to one of the most broken abilities in fiction.
A measly 30 minute won't give you counters to one of the most broken abilities in fiction.
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Saiyans are way faster then Bill off the bat, and with prep they could possibly pull the mafuba quick enough
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Regarding Mafuba I agree that with their prep time they would be able to plausibly pull it off. But sealing isnt the end all be all for Bill Cipher. Future Zamasu, was able to break free from it indicating that it is plausible to break out from it. Especially with the Multiversal+ Range for Bill in teleportation. Momment Bill breaks free hes instantly stopping time and petrifying them.
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Though with time manipulation he could always just reverse time Aswell
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Zamasu never broke out of the sealing part of the mafuba, he just broke out of the jar cause there was no seal
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Thats with his physical form, and he hasen’t shown to reverse time with time manipulation
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Alright the Time argument is fair enough.
But Bill Cipher is still not getting trapped in their by any means his Teleportation range is Multiversal+ pretty sure TP bypasses conventional sealing. Zamasu and Vegeta prolly couldn't use Instant transmission because it requires to lock onto the ki signatures of others and teleport to their locations. It needs a ki signature to teleport to, otherwise, they cannot perform the technique. Whilst Bill Cipher out here teleporting Multiversal+ distances with a thought.
Additionally, wouldn't this seal just be fodder to Bill? He has
- Enhanced Spatial Manipulation (Stated that he has the ability to control and manipulate space entirely[7])
- Matter Manipulation (Bill stated that he has full control over matter[7] which is supported by him threatening to disassemble Dipper and Mabel's molecules[9])
If the seal works on some supernatural spiritual or magic type stuff pretty sure Bills High tier Magic covers this.
Though if the seal somehow has a counter to his Spatial, Matter manip, and Magic. Pretty sure the seal cannot stop Bills teleportation by any means.
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Not sure what the sealing is based off of, Bill dosen’t have a resistance to sealing so i’d be inclined to think it could work
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Also Zamasu’s tp dosent require locking
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Its litterly in his profile as one of his only weakness
Weaknesses: Needs to locate a ki signature to teleport using Instant Transmission.
Though I think you are referring to Zamasu able to teleport objects to him. Pretty sure that requires a locking and it is very limited.
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Thats for Goku black, not the Kai Zamasu
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Zamasu Manga, Zamasu Anime (Only has Teleportation here due to having Goku blacks and Gokus abilities which is instant transmission)
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Well since it was able to trap a Low 2C being with Space-Time Manip and Magic and we have Bill Cipher at Low 2C your argument makes sense and you have convinced me.
If they are able to seal Bill before Bill uses Time stop or any hax then they win
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Goku and Vegeta are alot faster then Bill, but might take time to set up the mafuba before bill just snaps
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Mindscape isn't being used its just his Physical Form. Even then if Vegeta and Goku Arnt fast enough with the seal Bill snaps or thinks.
Pretty sure mafuba is really hard to use though.
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But isnt his mindscape only limited to fighting in the mind, also Goku and I think Vegeta have Self sustenance type 3
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Goku did it first try on Zamasu and he couldnt do anything about it while being put into the jar, and Goku resist TS btw
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Goku was only able to move against Hit because he surpassed Hits ki. Hit abilities do not work on opponents stronger then himself.
Either way though Bill just has many other Hax but yea as I said
If Goku and Vegeta are able to pull off the sealing before Bill activates his Hax then they win
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he's still given resistance to timestop
this just increases their chance of success
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they are faster, and can seal him
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they are only 4x faster, Bill can still kinda snap lol
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alot faster then 4x, also could they stop bill from snapping by punching his physical body?
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Not necessarily, given context he wasn't actually resistant to it or given an ability to bypass it. Litterly just got stronger Ki via Accelerated Development then Hits abilities didn't work anymore. That isnt Time stop resistance
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it's on his profile
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Resistance to Time Stop (Goku broke through Hit’s Time-Skip Technique)
Debunked this. It should be removed
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Well not removed but in this context the situation with Bills Time stop is completely different you cant just outgrow it
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Make a CRT then
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Zamasu doesn't need one as he's a Kai. He has Kai Kai instead of IT (IT is a Yardratian technique).
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I already mentioned that.
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so could we start discussing who would win more likely
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Well to lay out the match
Saiyan's
+Much Faster then Bill
+Can seal Bill
+Had Prep and could make a strategy to seal Bill
-Sealing takes time to set up
Bill
+Winning Via a Snap
+Immune to basically everything physical the Saiyan's have
+Quick to go for win
-Slower then the Saiyan's
Saiyan's
+Much Faster then Bill
+Can seal Bill
+Had Prep and could make a strategy to seal Bill
-Sealing takes time to set up
Bill
+Winning Via a Snap
+Immune to basically everything physical the Saiyan's have
+Quick to go for win
-Slower then the Saiyan's
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I think being >>>>> 4x faster is extremely beneficial
Doesn't stop low-godly tho (Dear god I wish you would actually read profiles)
Doesn't stop low-godly tho (Dear god I wish you would actually read profiles)
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