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Yes it's a space-time without being Low 2C such as black holes and pocket dimensions.
Affecting that little space-time isn't enough for low 2C despite affecting the universe. It has to be universally large.
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Low 2-C Battle of Gods, but I have a good argument :3
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Affecting that little space-time isn't enough for low 2C despite affecting the universe. It has to be universally large.
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Range, not AP
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Then Beerus and Champa feat are just Range, which means tier 2 GoD get nuked
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Well, it’s both
the reason it is affecting on a low 4D level is because of the power of his attacks
meaning it has low 4D strength
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They still scale above Infinite Zamasu. They would just lose their Universe level++ rating.
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There can't be Low 4-D level. And ROSAT is just a small space-time continuoum, AKA pocket dimension, so still doesn't qualify for Low 2-C, It needs to be Universe sized for It to work, as AKM already pointed out.
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Just a clarification : Black Holes are part of the universe, but every event that happens inside of one is causally disconnected from the rest of the universe.
Using them is a bad example, either as a support or counter argument to the OP
Using them is a bad example, either as a support or counter argument to the OP
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You are misunderstanding man. The difference between the ROSAT and your examples is that the ROSAT is a separate space time isolated from the universe, this only serves to prove that the 4-D axis was being effected, which makes the universe destruction statements 2-C.
What? It's also AP because goku is literally destroying the universe, the "range" here is how much he's destroying which is reaching the 4D axis.
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Haven't caught up by much, but isn't the 2-C god tier fuckery because their attack affected other universes, and as such should have affected time as well?
The argument against Low 2-C BoG seems to be "We don't know if he affected time, and ROSAT isn't universe sized", and while the latter is true, it doesn't really matter? The point is, he affected time itself, and as such, when they talk about destroying the whole universe, that should logically include its time as well since it could affect ROSAT, even if the latter is a small Space-Time continuum.
The argument against Low 2-C BoG seems to be "We don't know if he affected time, and ROSAT isn't universe sized", and while the latter is true, it doesn't really matter? The point is, he affected time itself, and as such, when they talk about destroying the whole universe, that should logically include its time as well since it could affect ROSAT, even if the latter is a small Space-Time continuum.
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That is exactly what I've been trying to say for the past 314 years.
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ROSAT is a separate space-time in U7 that's planetary in size not universal even if they affected the space-time of ROSAT which causing universal destruction it ain't low 2C.
As to become low 2C you have to affect a universal sized space-time continuum. Not a space-time that exists in a universe that's planetary in size but separate from it.
I get what your trying to say well and it ain't low 2C based on what your saying.
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You don't get what we're saying.
If Goku and Beerus affected the space-time of the Room of Spirit and Time, then the automatic assumption is they also affected the space-time of the rest of the universe as well, hence Low 2-C.
The argument alone is not that they affected the Room of Spirit and Time; the argument is: since they would have to extend their damage into the Room of Spirit and Time's 4-D axis to completely destroy it (much like Beerus and Champa affecting Universe 7), then they must have also first affected the 4-D axis of their own dimension (in Beerus and Champa's case, this was Universe 6; in this case, it is Outer Space where Goku and Beerus were battling).
obligatory demon realm mention because i had, like, four arguments in the op and everybody focuses on the other world one for two pages
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At this point we should just close this thread, its clear that nothing will be done here and nobody going to change mind (especially the staff).
Perhaps it would be better to make a thread to once and for all determinate if U7 (and all other universes) should be consider 2-C, Low 2-C or 3-A.
Otherwise were are going to get this kind of threats over and over again.
Perhaps it would be better to make a thread to once and for all determinate if U7 (and all other universes) should be consider 2-C, Low 2-C or 3-A.
Otherwise were are going to get this kind of threats over and over again.
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Ok here’s the easiest way to say it
the size of it doesn’t matter because the point is that it was able to reach it
For example if I punched a thin, weak window out from 10 miles
away then the point is that I’m strong enough to do it from so far away, that doesn’t mean I’m thin weak window level
the size of it doesn’t matter because the point is that it was able to reach it
For example if I punched a thin, weak window out from 10 miles
away then the point is that I’m strong enough to do it from so far away, that doesn’t mean I’m thin weak window level
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That came out weird but ignore the formatting of it
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That’s kinda a bad reason to close the thread
people don’t understand good arguments so we should just let the people with bad arguments win?
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No, there is rules that doesnt allow changes in the cosmology
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Issue is, this would prove that the space-time is also being destroyed
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No, we discuss the bigger picture (i.e., cosmology as a whole), then formulate final opinions.
I like it, and we should have done that two pages ago.
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Yes let's do it, 2-C BOG and low 1-C zeno here we come.
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Now I get it,though the main universe time wasn't stated to be affected just a possibility.
Beerus and champa case a 2 universes so their's is different from this. But I don't really seem to get what you imply here.
It was able to reach it doesn't mean anything and that's just range a don't compare someone who can destroy universal space-time to another who can destroy planetary just because space-time is in it.
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Ok let’s use your logic and say it’s range
he was still threatening to destroy everything that was “in his range” so low 2-C still isn’t debatable
he was still threatening to destroy everything that was “in his range” so low 2-C still isn’t debatable
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to be honest, not all fiction when it come to destroy universe specifically stated about space-time in a science way
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this whole standard is kinda bogus anyway
i get assuming 3-a when some random scientist reports universal destruction, but there for multiple, virtually omniscient sources who know all about the universe, both inside and out, and when they say the universe is being destroyed, the logical assumption should be "oh yeah, everything is gone"
i get assuming 3-a when some random scientist reports universal destruction, but there for multiple, virtually omniscient sources who know all about the universe, both inside and out, and when they say the universe is being destroyed, the logical assumption should be "oh yeah, everything is gone"
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Seeing how many times we had get this kind of threads, its clear that there is too much confusion/misinformation about the cosmology for that rule to be a good idea.
We really need to have a threat where everyone (or at least most people) must agree for once about the matter and then create an official blog with all the details.
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1. He was threatning to destroy it with just the shockwaves of his attacks, it was PURE POWER that let him do it, if you’re gonna claim it’s range alone then you’re the one who needs to show proof, which there is none at all
2. The point of the analogy is that the fact that the attack is powerful enough for the affects to reach that far proves it’s that powerful, and it’s not just range.
3. Range can be the result of power anyways so that doesn’t prove anything
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Dude what’s even happening? I thought this was closed already?
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Idk. Can't we just take this to the other thread?
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Which other thread?
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Probably the staff-made cosmology thread.
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Whay you said implies it's already made, where is it?
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That just means they have 3-A AP + limited 4-D range. Affecting a dimension that's not universe-sized requires limited 4-D energy. It's about the same as Super Buu making a hole in RoSaT. Or any other character shattering time-space on a limited scale. It doesn't mean that the past, present and future of the universe was going to be destroyed.
3-A AP + limited 4-D energy =/= Low 2-C
That's the standard. Low 2-C is only given if you destroy a universe-sized space time continuum. Just because someone has 3-A AP with 3-A range and affect the 4-D axis on a limited scale, we don't assume they have full 4-D capacity to be treated as Low 2-C.
If you want to change the standard, that's another matter altogether.
No? Destroying two different universes is assumed to be 2-C by default, since those universes are along the 5-D axis and you're not supposed to breach it until you have completely destroyed it on a 5-D scale.
Whereas, destroying one universe is assumed to be 3-A by default unless there is evidence that all the past, present and future is also getting destroyed with it.
I don't see in what world these two cases are similar. Both are different feats with different standards.
If nobody has anything more to say, I can close this thread, I guess?
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No what is happening is not an ordinary "shattering time-space on a limited scale" kind of deal (wtf does limited 4D power even mean?), Goku and beerus, from the living world had their attacks effect the entire universe and travel from the living world to the ROSAT which is a separate space time continuum and completely destroy it, this is the same concept as beerus and champas fight effecting 2 separate space times while they were in one. For the same reason their attack is assumed to effect the space time continuum itself and not just the space of the universe, Goku's attacks should also apply the same logic because they effected a separate space time. The only difference between that feat and this, is that Goku and beerus are effecting a space time continuum which is not universal in size, the only thing this changes is that the feat is not 2-C but is instead low 2-C. I hope I got the point across.
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Basically, you're saying that Champa and Beerus's feat is 2-C because we know it affected multiple space times.
Since the ROSAT is a separate space time too (just not universe sized) that means the destruction of U7 that Beerus and Goku were causing was affecting space time too, thus making the feat Low 2-C.
The size of the ROSAT here is irrelevant because from what i understand the place is just used as evidence of the feat affecting space time. Did I get that right?
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