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The Long Awaited SCP Upgrade

I trust Ultima and Agnaa with these things so I'm just going to agree with their assessment.
 
One question: If the set of multiverses (infinite number universes in each multiverse) are declared or used an analogy that is actually larger than single multiverse similar to finite objects instead of normal countable infinite sets as set of natural numbers and even numbers can this be possible for a higher tiers?
 
Rabbit2002 said:
One question: If the set of multiverses (infinite number universes in each multiverse) are declared or used an analogy that is actually larger than single multiverse similar to finite objects instead of normal countable infinite sets as set of natural numbers and even numbers can this be possible for a higher tiers?
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Please ask comments unrelated to the thread on a user's message wall or in another thread.
 
Agnaa said:
Please ask comments unrelated to the thread on a user's message wall or in another thread.
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I ask because it related to this thread, specifically scp-4555, Metaverse (set of multiverses) exists in the article and is claimed to be larger than single multiverse using metaphorical analogies of solar systems and the larger galaxy contain them, implying that sets of multiverses are actually larger than single multiverse instead of equal, like sets of natural numbers compared to rational numbers, even numbers etc..

"Extra-multiversal: for something to be outside the Earth/Prime multiverse.
Extra-multiversal spaces/structures/objects/ect are a part of the greater "metaverse", and are "extra-multiversal", much in the same way that other solar systems are part of the galaxy, and "extra-solar".

For an object to be considered extra-multiversal, the space containing it must be sufficiently different in structure from the Earth/Prime multiverse such that no events can be shared in common between the two. Common conditions for this to be true include: inherent differences in the laws of physics between the object in question's space of origin and our's, or more drastically, a difference in the base space of the universe as is the case with SCP-4555-A"
 
We have evaluated 4555's statement and provided our comments on it earlier in the thread.
 
Agnaa said:
We have evaluated 4555's statement and provided our comments on it earlier in the thread.
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I still don't see anything related to Metaverse, Chains of infinite multiverses
has not always existed but instead are created by chain reaction of SCP-4555"s action, ending with Omega /God and extending Metaverse (Metaversal Horizon) to Crazy thing that we know. Sadly, the author of the SCP has confirmed Omega is something contrary to Ultima's assumption (Smaller than Omega Plus 1/Smallest uncountable infinite ordinal number)
"The Omega name was an attempt to find a middle ground between the actual use of the greek alphabet poetically, with Omega representing" the end ", being at the end of the article, and the end of the series of univeres leading to the end , and the actual use of Omega in ordinal arithmetic were it is the first infinite cardinal / ordinal.

Fun fact: the spot in the series of ordinals I am referencing here is not actual epsilon, but a much smaller one: the Church-Kleene Ordinal, which is the smallest non-recursive ordinal, and the set of all recursive ordinals. Hence it being a "limit of infinities"
"Replying to incorrect myself to note that the above is incorrect: I confused epsilon with the number omega sub 1. The church-kleene ordinal is in fact unfathomably larger than epsilon."

SCP-4555 - SCP Foundation

The SCP Foundation's 'top-secret' archives, declassified for your enjoyment.
scp-wiki.wikidot.com scp-wiki.wikidot.com
 
I don't know how stuff about a "metaverse" bumps it up.

Also, rating it at a "Church-Kleene Ordinal would be lower than what we currently put it at. So that'd be a downgrade if anything.
 
Agnaa said:
I don't know how stuff about a "metaverse" bumps it up.

Also, rating it at a "Church-Kleene Ordinal would be lower than what we currently put it at. So that'd be a downgrade if anything.
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This is because in the QA tiering system it says that the feat of destroying multiple infinite multiverses is no greater than destroying single infinite multiverse which subset of it because they are both Countable infinite and therefore equal, but if verse treats the feat as Larger is it really eligible for higher tiers?

Q: Is destroying multiple infinite multiverses a better feat than destroying a single one?

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A: In spite of what our intuitions may tell us, destroying or otherwise fully affecting multiple infinite-sized multiverses is in fact not a better feat than doing the same to a single infinite multiverse, and thus, not above the "baseline" for 2-A

The reason behind this is that the total amount of universes contained in a collection of multiple infinitely-sized multiverses (Even one consisting of infinitely many of them) is in fact equal to the amount of universes contained in a single one of the multiverses that form this ensemble: It is countably infinite, as the union of countably-many countable sets is itself countable, and thus does not differ in size from its components. Thus, only an uncountably infinite number of universes actually makes any difference in terms of Attack Potency, at this scale.

This illustrates some of the more unintuitive properties of sets with infinite elements: Namely, given a set X, it being a subset of another set Y does not imply that Y > X in terms of size. An example of this is how the set of all natural numbers contains both the odd numbers and even numbers, yet all of these sets in fact have the same number of elements.

However, such a feat may indeed qualify as stronger if the verse itself treats it as such.
 
Also, I find it odd why scale different and contradictory Multiverse descriptions of different canons and headcanons (Like the Third Law Hub, where the multiverse is just one baseline universe and some branch pocket universes lol) with Yesod multiverse which is the Tree of Knowledge in Djoric verse/ Verse of Endless song/Etpd canon (should be scaled to anything written by Djoric or confirmed canon to his articles or their extended canon)
 
The Ad astra is from Second hythos multiverse, written by the same author ( Navoltic) , and they are referenced to each other many times by himself. He even mentioned Higher dimensions that exist outside the Multiverse and that there are at least 333D in his works
 
Trying to make sense of the SCP multiverse is on the same level as trying to make sense of Marvel and DC cosmologies. Multiple writers have different interpretations of the multiverse and we just have to weed out the parts that aren't consistent.

Randomly saying SCP has 333 dimensions is fine, but absolutely no one scales to it if you can't prove they're superior dimensions and are within the Tree.
 
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This is because in the QA tiering system it says that the feat of destroying multiple infinite multiverses is no greater than destroying single infinite multiverse which subset of it because they are both Countable infinite and therefore equal, but if verse treats the feat as Larger is it really eligible for higher tiers?

They're not eligible for higher tiers, they're just considered a higher part of 2-A.

Also, I find it odd why scale different and contradictory Multiverse descriptions of different canons and headcanons (Like the Third Law Hub, where the multiverse is just one baseline universe and some branch pocket universes lol) with Yesod multiverse which is the Tree of Knowledge in Djoric verse/ Verse of Endless song/Etpd canon (should be scaled to anything written by Djoric or confirmed canon to his articles or their extended canon)

idk enough about this topic to comment.
 
Sadly I have to disagree with these updates, however I can provide direct evidence that Yesod Multiverse contains uncountable infinite dimensions and better, more valid descriptions about it.
 
Not sure if this is the right thread for it. You should probably make a separate CRT for it.

I'd appreciate it if you could tell me though in my message wall.
 
Rabbit2002 said:
Sadly I have to disagree with these updates, however I can provide direct evidence that Yesod Multiverse contains uncountable infinite dimensions and better, more valid descriptions about it.
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Is it gonna be the Acidverse statement that's been seen and responded to a thousand times already?
 
Agnaa said:
Is it gonna be the Acidverse statement that's been seen and responded to a thousand times already?
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Yes I know this well, but I have some fresh evidence on it. Of course if it were rejected I would go for other descriptions of Yesod Multiverse that might be helpful
 
Agnaa said:
This is because in the QA tiering system it says that the feat of destroying multiple infinite multiverses is no greater than destroying single infinite multiverse which subset of it because they are both Countable infinite and therefore equal, but if verse treats the feat as Larger is it really eligible for higher tiers?

They're not eligible for higher tiers, they're just considered a higher part of 2-A.
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So Why is Gan H1B? There are also other things like Wizard101, ...
I know that destroying 2 or more multiverse would be 2A but higher than Baseline. But destroying things like sets of infinite multiverses or more is certainly not 2A
vsbattles.fandom.com

Gan

Gan is the Supreme God and animating spirit of the Dark Tower, being the deity most closely associated with the abstract alignment known as The White. Although the Tower appears to be made of stone and glass, it is actually a living vessel for the spirit of Gan. Just as the ancient myths of...
vsbattles.fandom.com vsbattles.fandom.com
 
Rabbit2002 said:
So Why is Gan H1B? There are also other things like Wizard101, ...
I know that destroying 2 or more multiverse would be 2A but higher than Baseline. But destroying things like sets of infinite multiverses or more is certainly not 2A
vsbattles.fandom.com

Gan

Gan is the Supreme God and animating spirit of the Dark Tower, being the deity most closely associated with the abstract alignment known as The White. Although the Tower appears to be made of stone and glass, it is actually a living vessel for the spirit of Gan. Just as the ancient myths of...
vsbattles.fandom.com vsbattles.fandom.com
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1. Stop comparing different cosmologies as though they have the same context and expecting a change. That's never been how we do things here.

2. Gan is outdated anyway.
 
Gan, because it embeds lower layers, becoming infinitely larger than those bound. An infinite multiverse in one layer is a grain of sand in the next one.

SCP-4555's statement is just that the prior series of universes are grouped and repeated. i.e. the universes in each batch aren't "bigger", the process is just repeated. There's an infinite multiverse, then an infinite amount of infinite multiverses, then an infinite amount of an infinite amount of multiverses, etc. Without the timelines involved getting bigger each time.
 
Agnaa said:
Gan, because it embeds lower layers, becoming infinitely larger than those bound.

SCP-4555's statement is just that the prior series of universes are grouped and repeated. i.e. the universes in each batch aren't "bigger", the process is just repeated.
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But what about Metaverse proves why the set of multiverses or any space contains a multiverse and beyond are larger than single multiverse?
The chains of universes of 4555 even at the smallest chain/scale is not infinite chains of universe but rather an infinite Chain of multipe multiverses (SCP-4555 leaves the Close family of multiverses to going to the Void and from there they created a new "universe", the current universe that serves as the second one in the series of universes that SCP-4555's at the top, even put a barrier that sealed Cluser multiversal's Foundation)
 
It's kind of obvious that a set of multiverses is bigger than a multiverse, that doesn't mean that it's infinitely bigger in a way that would qualify for higher tiers. It's just repeating the same worlds more often, the worlds aren't getting bigger.
 

Agnaa said:
It's kind of obvious that a set of multiverses is bigger than a multiverse, that doesn't mean that it's infinitely bigger in a way that would qualify for higher tiers. It's just repeating the same worlds more often, the worlds aren't getting bigger.
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Forget 4555, it doesn't matter too much since the Thread content is Yesod Multiverse. Another CRT will be for it
Also, should I provide better and newer descriptions of Yesod Multiverse / Tree of Knowledge? It seems that what Weekly has given (except for the things Ad astra, even omitting the Higher dimension for good reason) has nothing to do with Yesod.
However I have two more questions that Set of infinite multiverses is declared / treated / analogy in Verse Is Really Greater Than Single multiverse is Low-1C? Or just the higher part of 2A? This has to do with the things I can offer about Yesod Multiverse (even without acidverse)
And should this be quoted here or another CRT and this thread is simply closed after it has been accepted (or disapproved?)
 
It wouldnt be 2-A tho? It would still be 'At least Low 1-C, likely higher' from the quote from Ad Astra
 
Yeah just talked to Ultima about it, it would still be 'At least Low 1-C, possibly higher' from 4555 and Ad Astra
 
low 1-A scp arguments exist
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Will we get Low 1A God tiers in the future?

Anyways, I agree with low 1C, likely higher. We might not get 1C God tiers, but at least we have low 1C 682.
 
I mean the remake of keter duty has the scarlet king contain a narrative anomaly and the project collab thing that went with it includes SCP-682 and SCP-001 Swann as a loop.
 
WeeklyBattles said:
Yeah just talked to Ultima about it, it would still be 'At least Low 1-C, possibly higher' from 4555 and Ad Astra
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If those statements solidly gave Low 1-C to everyone, this thread never would have had a Low 1-C end in the first place.

Ultima clarified on Discord that he's not accounting for whether they scale when he says that, which is the issue Ovens, Saikou, and I had with giving definite scaling to it.

And I disagree with Ultima that Ad Astra's statement is "blatantly Low 1-C", it's ordering universes then goes into using cardinals, it's not exactly clear what they mean by "and onwards" in that context. Or in other words, they ****** up the maths, which makes it less reliably Low 1-C imo.
 
Agnaa said:
If those statements solidly gave Low 1-C to everyone, this thread never would have had a Low 1-C end in the first place.

Ultima clarified on Discord that he's not accounting for whether they scale when he says that, which is the issue Ovens, Saikou, and I had with giving definite scaling to it.

And I disagree with Ultima that Ad Astra's statement is "blatantly Low 1-C", it's ordering universes then goes into using cardinals, it's not exactly clear what they mean by "and onwards" in that context. Or in other words, they ****** up the maths, which makes it less reliably Low 1-C imo.
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Ive asked him to comment here as he told me that both statements are fine to use
 
I still think they're fine in that I'd give a likely to it, but there's a few pieces here and there that weaken it from a solid rating, imo.
 
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