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The Long Awaited SCP Upgrade

Well, this should be fine to apply now.

Also, when is the 682 update thread happen? Will it happen shortly after this one ends, or will it takes some time like this CRT?
 
I am now actually kinda hesitating on how high it is.

6-D comes if we don't take the Hole In Mars/4555 statements at an "uncountably many universes" interpretation, or if we don't take them as scaling. If we do the former, they'd be ludicrously high into 6-D. Going from an infinite multiverse, to an infinite number of infinite multiverses, to an infinite number of infinite collections of infinite multiverses, and so on as deep as mathematically possible. But if we do the latter, then these statements just don't scale, so it'd be baseline 6-D.
 
Agnaa said:
I am now actually kinda hesitating on how high it is.

6-D comes if we don't take the Hole In Mars/4555 statements at an "uncountably many universes" interpretation, or if we don't take them as scaling. If we do the former, they'd be ludicrously high into 6-D. Going from an infinite multiverse, to an infinite number of infinite multiverses, to an infinite number of infinite collections of infinite multiverses, and so on as deep as mathematically possible. But if we do the latter, then these statements just don't scale, so it'd be baseline 6-D.
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What statements would take precedence over them?
 
InfiniteDay said:
What statements would take precedence over them?
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wdym? Without those two statements scaling, 6-D comes from the first statement of there being 3 total temporal dimensions.
 
4+ Staff agreed, and a lot of members also agree, so I'm pretty sure its safe to apply now.
 
I'm pretty ***** at wording myself. Ultima/Ovens have written the previous ones and I've just made minor tweaks. Regardless, here's my attempt:

At least Low 1-C (Something something destroyed the infinite multiverse {scan} which has 3 temporal dimensions {scan}", likely 1-C (These two {scan} scans {scan} imply, but don't guarantee, that the multiverse actually contains uncountably infinitely many universes), possibly higher (The quote {hole in mars scan} also mentions worlds being stretched along other axes, but this is too vague to give a definitive tier)
 
Shouldn't be also a speed upgrade? AFAIK moving in multiple temporal dimensions is better than moving in one
 
manu_zarri said:
Shouldn't be also a speed upgrade? AFAIK moving in multiple temporal dimensions is better than moving in one
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We don't have anything about god-tiers moving in them, just nuking universes that have them, which isn't a speed feat.
 
Agnaa said:
We don't have anything about god-tiers moving in them, just nuking universes that have them, which isn't a speed feat.
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apparently Brothers Death moving before the creation of time is the current immeansurable speed justification.
 
Oh yeah, we need to remove that too.
 
What will their speed rating be?

It'd be kind of funny to see them as MFTL or smth.
 
Is there anything else we need to do here? If not, we seem to have sufficient mod votes and knowledgeable members in agreement, so this can be applied.

Also, did we forget to delete the Doctor Wondertainment profile from the last major CRT?
 
Doctor Wondertainment needs to be nuked.
 
Uhh, sorry to take the wind out of this thread's sails, but Ultima thought about the temporal dimensions thing more, and presented pretty convincing arguments to me.

Basically, to my understanding, most higher temporal dimensions in fiction (i.e. timelines) are presented as embedding uncountably infinitely many copies of the universe, rather than just being "another direction to move in" orthogonal to the universe. While spatial dimensions are generally presented as the latter. We already accept spatial dimensions that are presented as the former as qualifying for higher tiers, but we don't really make note that temporal dimensions presented as the latter shouldn't qualify.

Since this is a pretty minor change, that'd amount to, at most, adding a note that barely affects any verses, it won't really be overhauling the wiki. So applying it to threads like this isn't very unfair.

I think that the higher temporal dimensions presented in the quote provided are pretty close to being contextless, but from the small amount of context it has, it sounds more like a way of describing funky time travel, than a way of describing uncountably infinitely-extra copies of the universe. Especially since they're not described as extra sets of timelines with differences in events, but just extra temporal dimensions that can be "moved through". As such, I think they shouldn't qualify.

Still, the other parts of the revision should apply. I think the god-tiers should instead be upgraded to "At least 2-A, likely Low 1-C, possibly higher".
 
Agnaa said:
Basically, to my understanding, most higher temporal dimensions in fiction (i.e. timelines) are presented as embedding uncountably infinitely many copies of the universe, rather than just being "another direction to move in" orthogonal to the universe. While spatial dimensions are generally presented as the latter. We already accept spatial dimensions that are presented as the former as qualifying for higher tiers, but we don't really make note that temporal dimensions presented as the latter shouldn't qualify.
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To elaborate on this a bit more: My point is that higher temporal dimensions being granted higher tiers at all comes from a generalization of the same idea that makes it so Low 2-C is above 3-A: That is, that a time axis contains an uncountably infinite number of copies of the spatial volume of the universe, and thus, adding a second temporal dimension to a 4-D spacetime, for instance, would be effectively creating a new direction which holds uncountably infinite copies of the entire lower spacetime along itself. And this condition can be met pretty easily, provided said higher temporal dimension is described as an axis in which the lower-dimensional reality is displaced, but not so much if it is described in a vacuum, with no reference point for we to scale it to.

The rest, I believe, segues into the rest of Agnaa's points, which summarize the issues decently enough.
 
Rikimarox2 said:
I'm disappointed. And so is my cat.

But I guess "Possibly Higher" is nice too.
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It's not just that. Low 1-C is "likely" instead of "possibly", and it scales to all god-tiers, instead of just SK/TBD and above.
 
manu_zarri said:
so, the possible higher what is exactly and where it scales?
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"Possibly higher" isn't actually useful for threads. It doesn't place anywhere. It's just an acknowledgement that it can be interpreted as something higher.
 
Agnaa said:
"Possibly higher" isn't actually useful for threads. It doesn't place anywhere. It's just an acknowledgement that it can be interpreted as something higher.
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like just above baseline? and every god tiers would be just above baseline Low 1-C which is 5D?
 
manu_zarri said:
like just above baseline? and every god tiers would be just above baseline Low 1-C which is 5D?
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No, it's a separate rating from the Low 1-C one.
 
manu_zarri said:
but if it doesn't have a specific value to indicate something, why does it exist and why we should put it?
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Because there is a potential for a higher value even if it isn't definite. We've always included stuff like this on our profiles (speaking about vsbw in general). It's an acknowledgement that there's potential for something higher.
 
Agnaa said:
Because there is a potential for a higher value even if it isn't definite. We've always included stuff like this on our profiles (speaking about vsbw in general). It's an acknowledgement that there's potential for something higher.
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so basically, possilbly Higher means something that is Higher but can't be definied?
 
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