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OPM webcomic and manga seperation (As well as some Murata statements)

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Yes,Murata statement should stay because of how well he explained the mechanics of how Geryuganshoop attacks on the basis of setting he created so I dont see any reason as to why his 6-C should be stripped away.
 
Ourosboros said:
Potentially, it depends on what consensus we come to. According to my proposed definition, Geryuganshoop should stay at 6-C because Murata would be valid primary source and perfectly acceptable justification for the feat. My logic is that Murata is describing what he is drawing, and since we ultimately base our calcs on what is shown in Murata's panels I think it is fine to give Geryuganshoop his standout rating according to his interpretation.
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Wait, I thought you said earlier that Murata should be secondary source and not primary? Or did somebody else say that?
 
LordTracer said:
Wait, I thought you said earlier that Murata should be secondary source and not primary? Or did somebody else say that?
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He was basically quoting what Matthew said eariler but he vouched for Murata statement applying differently depending on the context.
To quote his words here

Ourosboros said:
It sounds like the 'Murata-statements' changes will be on hold unless more support for those comes through. Matthew Schroeder, My_Area, Tetsucabrah and Dual Binoculars have all stated related reasons they disagree with this change. Maybe this should be modified to be: "[Murata's statements] can be a useful secondary source, but they shouldn't be the primary source of any feat" as Matthew suggested. I personally think Murata's opinions have varying weight, it depends on what he's talking about.
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Ourosboros said:
Okay so, I propose changing the Murata change to case by case basis. Matthew proposing using Murata as a secondary, but not primary source
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LordTracer said:
Wait, I thought you said earlier that Murata should be secondary source and not primary? Or did somebody else say that?
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That was Matthew, not me. I said that I disagreed and that I think that 1) we decide on a case by case basis so 2) Murata may be used as a primary source in certain situations where he is directly involved (eg he is describing what he had in mind when he drew a scene) and 3) that his opinion should only count as a secondary source when he's talking about deep lore or off-screen shenanigans, since he may not know what he's talking about according to his own admission. In certain circumstances, Murata may not even qualify as a secondary source unless he's citing ONE as the original source.

Emirp sumitpo said:
That sounds like a fair intepretation, however I'd wait for further input
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If you think Geryuganshoop is too highly rated at 6-C where the only justification is Murata's statement, I would suggest looking into Tetsucabrah's proposal of 10% light speed instead of 75%, which would reduce his AP drastically. Murata said sub-light speeds, which is a description with some flexibility.
 
10% is lowball interpretation of sublight speed.It should be like like atleast 50% of light speed if you ask me
 
I don't think Geryu should be straight up 6-C, but instead I propose At Least Low 7-B+ up to 6-C with Physics Manipulation since he uses more of a hax ability to preform the attack rather than his normal physic powers.
 
Dual_Binoculars said:
I don't think Geryu should be straight up 6-C, but instead I propose At Least Low 7-B+ up to 6-C with Physics Manipulation since he uses more of a hax ability to preform the attack rather than his normal physic powers.
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Huh, that's an interesting take.
 
I mean feats done by telekinesis in this wiki does scale to AP so I dont see how Geryuganshoop attacks become hax based becuase of Physics manipulation(?).Where did that come from?
 
My_area said:
I mean feats done by telekinesis in this wiki does scale to AP so I dont see how Geryuganshoop attacks become hax based becuase of Physics manipulation(?).Where did that come from?
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Murata's statement said he removes the friction of objects and accelerates them rather than just throwing them with his regular physic powers.
 
My_area said:
I mean feats done by telekinesis in this wiki does scale to AP so I dont see how Geryuganshoop attacks become hax based becuase of Physics manipulation(?).Where did that come from?
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It's because Murata said somewhere that Geryuganshoop could attack so fast because he was somehow capable of eliminating friction between objects and the air, accelerating things to speeds that would otherwise A) burn the objects to nothing or B) require an enormous amount of energy. Dual_Binoculars tiering actually makes sense to me, since a friction-eliminating ability like this should allow Geryuganshoop to attack beyond his regular AP by accelerating to super-fast speeds with a fraction of the energy required. That he could replicate a similar feat without this "hax" (for lack of a better term) is unclear.
 
Yeah, the feat seems to only happen once he removes the friction, otherwise, he's pretty much at least Low 7-B+ on his own
 
Ourosboros said:
It's because Murata said somewhere that Geryuganshoop could attack so fast because he was somehow capable of eliminating friction between objects and the air, accelerating things to speeds that would otherwise A) burn the objects to nothing or B) require an enormous amount of energy. Dual_Binoculars tiering actually makes sense to me, since a friction-eliminating ability like this should allow Geryuganshoop to attack beyond his regular AP by accelerating to super-fast speeds with a fraction of the energy required. That he could replicate a similar feat without this "hax" (for lack of a better term) is unclear.
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I interpreted his statement as him applying real life Physics in fiction in order to further explain the mechanics of how Geryuganshoop attack works by him eliminating friction between the objects so they can accelerate at sub light speed without being burned up by intense heat produced by friction so him attacking rocks at Relativistic+ speeds is literally just him eliminating the friction between the objects in order to attack at high speeds which Tatsumaki cant so its literally just a standard attack,best you can get from this statement of Physics manipulation is removing friction so objects can accelerate that fast,The hax was used to remove friction but the process of throwing rocks isn't hax based hence it can still scale to Geryuganshoop AP as normally his output would be the same,just the rocks would burn up frm friction and energy like it does with Tatsumaki.

Emirp sumitpo said:
Yeah, the feat seems to only happen once he removes the friction, otherwise, he's pretty much at least Low 7-B+ on his own
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He can basically only accelerate at high speed due to removing friction but his energy output is still the same as enough to burn the rocks in high speed hence he has to eliminate the friction between the rocks.
 
Well..if thats the case then yeah I agree with Geryuganshoop not being 6-C like that because his normal attacks can never reach that fast so it doesn't produce 6-C output,he needs to remove friction in order for it to go that fast.
 
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I think he deserves an 'at least low 7-B+' rating, we don't know how strong he is outside of the sub-light attacks.
 
Considering he is a dragon level threat, and presumably comparable to his allies, he should be at least Low 7-B+
 
Understandable, for reference here's where the tiers have been calced.
Wolf: 9-B (tongue stretcher) to 9-A (Piggy Bancon)
Low Tiger: 9-A (Electric Catfish Man, others)
mid tiger: 8-C (Dave, although this will be downgraded)
high tiger: High 8-C (Kombu Infinity) to baseline 8-B (Sky Folk)
low demon: 8-B to 8-A (Hammerhead)
mid-demon: 7-C (small hundred eyes octopus, Gearsper, others) to High 7-C (Beginning of Series Genos)
high demons: High 7-C (ultra spiral incineration cannon) to Low 7-B (hundred eyes octopus)
Low dragons: Low 7-B+
mid dragons: 7-B (Vaccine Man, Beefcake, others)
high dragons: 7-A(Gouketsu) to 6-C(Pluton, Geryuganshoop, the meteor potentially)
Above dragon: High 6-C (Orochi) to High 6-A ( Psykorochi, Boros, Saitama)
God: Unknown
 
Depends. There are several options of who he'll upscale from. Currently options are:

  • Gouketsu's 7-A+ feat (Boros and any above-dragon would get upscaled to High 7-A for this)
  • The meteorite (Currently, it's High 7-A, but it might potentially be 6-C to High 6-B, Orochi, armored Boros and any above dragon upscales from this)
  • 6-C geryu (Base orochi and base Boros are above this)
  • Orochi (Base Boros upscales from third form Orochi due to him surviving a normale punch

All these options are still debatable
 
Mentioned above, I think that each statement has to be analyzed separately, I am in favor of Geryungashoop's statement because he details and explains the reason for the attack being such a speed.
 
Like others have said, I think Murata's statements should be taken on a case-by-case basis. I also think his statements about Geryuganshoop are legitimate for the same reasons that @Ourosboros and @USklaverei have laid out.

I am 100% on board with separating the webcomic and manga into separate profiles due to how different they are. Especially since
Suiryu meets Saitama and doesn't know who he is because the whole Superfight arc doesn't take place in the webcomic which confirms they are different continuities if you didn't think that from all of the differences already.
 
I agree with webcomic/manga being different canons and agree Murata's statements should be used in a case-by-case basis.
 
Yeah, I think everyone agrees with separating the profiles.

The thing is, not every version of a profile currently necessarily needs a webcomic counterpart. Some of them we can just snip a couple of pieces of information off of them and they would essentially be fully manga.
 
Damage3245 said:
Yeah, I think everyone agrees with separating the profiles.

The thing is, not every version of a profile currently necessarily needs a webcomic counterpart. Some of them we can just snip a couple of pieces of information off of them and they would essentially be fully manga.
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I agree with that. Certain characters could have a key for their webcomic scaling instead of an entirely new page.
 
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