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(Grace) Yang Xiao Long vs Inasa Yoarashi
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Well Yang beats him at literally everything except his wind AP, but even still, if she uses her Semblance his quirk becomes useless because she literally lights on fire.
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Yes.
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Yang, even with her semblance, needs to actively blast herself forward several times to counter wind attacks, as shown with her fight with Flynt. Inasa, however can just fly away and keep wind spamming until her aura runs out, and she doesn't have much of a counter to it.
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Yang's ranged attacks vastly outrange inasa's range with wind attacks
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Her projectiles get smacked away by his wind manipulation before hitting him easily. Her spamming shots will amount to nothing when they never hit him.
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Pretty hard to say ranges based on Inasa's quirk to be honest.
But as if Yang is going to go for range, thats not her deal at all, nor will Inasa not be able to peter them out with strong enough winds and a long enough distance. You cant say Yang wins by using one ranged move that can be dealt with surely.
But as if Yang is going to go for range, thats not her deal at all, nor will Inasa not be able to peter them out with strong enough winds and a long enough distance. You cant say Yang wins by using one ranged move that can be dealt with surely.
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He can hit things that arent physical objects?
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@Jinx This is volume 4 Yang, that is absolutely her deal. Volume 4 Yang fights smart
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No, theyre pulses of raw kinetic energy. Yang doesnt use DustJinx666 said:
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We've seen her wield bullets in Ember Celica before. How do you think she contains these 'kinetic energy pulses'? (If they arent dust somehow, since thats the only thing in RWBY that powers elements apart from semblances)
Even so, kinetic energy can still be dampened by wind. Yang's bullets aren't completely immune to air resistance
Even so, kinetic energy can still be dampened by wind. Yang's bullets aren't completely immune to air resistance
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She doesnt use bullets in ember celica either, the only time she did was in her trailer with the Red Shells which were confirmed to be retconned.
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Confirmed to be retconned where? Writers being lazy doesn't really cut it, when the gauntlets themselves are still shown to carry the bullets.
I dont remember it being shown anywhere that Yang can just, conjure up kinetic energy using no sort of medium like a casing (Even grenades have to contain the energy) without the irrelevant semblance and magic that isn't bestowed upon the general public.
Does Yang just not have anything controlling these energy blasts direction like she would need to? Something needs to contain this energy, and the thing im looking at is the actual shells/bullets she uses. These ranged attacks were shown in the Yellow Trailer and used the bullets given as to why she would need to reload. Seems an empty excuse when it wouldnt matter either way and could be countered by Inasa's winds
And again, they still wouldnt be immune to being weakened or peterred out, especially if Yang was apparently going the distance where they would be weaker the further they are shot from. With Inasa's fairly inaccurate quirk range tbh
I dont remember it being shown anywhere that Yang can just, conjure up kinetic energy using no sort of medium like a casing (Even grenades have to contain the energy) without the irrelevant semblance and magic that isn't bestowed upon the general public.
Does Yang just not have anything controlling these energy blasts direction like she would need to? Something needs to contain this energy, and the thing im looking at is the actual shells/bullets she uses. These ranged attacks were shown in the Yellow Trailer and used the bullets given as to why she would need to reload. Seems an empty excuse when it wouldnt matter either way and could be countered by Inasa's winds
And again, they still wouldnt be immune to being weakened or peterred out, especially if Yang was apparently going the distance where they would be weaker the further they are shot from. With Inasa's fairly inaccurate quirk range tbh
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Weekly, we had this discussion on another thread, and you were proven wrong about this. Yang has ammunition. She does not have infinite kinetic energy shots. She uses dust just like every other person on remnant. The best you can say is that her close ranged punches use kinetic energy, but the bullets she shoots are 100% physical dust. Would you like the scan from te RWBY Compendium again?
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Mind you this is also Volume 4 Yang...which im guessing is by the start of Volume 5. Less experience and upgrades. So if you have an actual official retcon stated by the creators, even though thats them covering for their lazy work and still doesnt confirm there is no sort of medium containing this energy (Like there would need to be), doesn't exist. Or that it matters either way since im guessing you aren't going to claim Yang's blasts wouldn't be affected by air resistance or any other force (Which would mean they can go on with infinite range), ergo meaning winds that Inasa can accurately conjure up to weaken the attacks greatly wont be effective.
Assuming Yang would act completely out of character and not try to come up close to Inasa like she does with everyone. (Even with an aerial enemy like the Nevermore, she found her shots weren't working and tried firing them in its mouth
Assuming Yang would act completely out of character and not try to come up close to Inasa like she does with everyone. (Even with an aerial enemy like the Nevermore, she found her shots weren't working and tried firing them in its mouth
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@King what are you talking about? She is canonically confirmed by the writers to not use Dust or physical projectiles
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The guidebook, the show, and the death battle analysis of her abolities that was written by the writers of rwbyJinx666 said:
Also by volume 4 her gauntlets dont avtually show to carry any bullets
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WeeklyBattles said:
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Weekly has already debated Yang's ammo and been refuted in another thread
I'm voting Inasa.
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I'm voting yang btw, assuming she doesnt just oneshot him right off the bat the heat of both her explosive rounds and eventually her semblance would cause his wind to stop working properly
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@King it was agreed that she uses kinetic energy, not dust. This is reflected on her profile
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V4 Yang can't one shot Inasa, she's only somewhat higher than baseline high 8-c which is 2 tons. Inasa scales to around 1 ton physically.
Inasa's wind is 7.8 tons. He will be throwing Yang around like a toy and she can't do anything about it but fly at him, which he'll dodge since his flight is far superior to her pseudo flight.
Her long range projectiles are physical rounds. Solid projectiles. This is listed on her profile, credited as being the red shells. Her short range blasts are not physical projectiles, but for her to range spam like you're suggesting she does, she would have to use the actual ammo. Which Inasa would block with his wind.
There is a picture right above you that shows Yang still using shells for Ember Celica. She is even in the middle of ejecting a shell, and the Compendium states she loads new rounds when she punches for Ember Celica. Her long range attacks are not pure kinetic force, they're solid projectiles.
Inasa's wind is 7.8 tons. He will be throwing Yang around like a toy and she can't do anything about it but fly at him, which he'll dodge since his flight is far superior to her pseudo flight.
Her long range projectiles are physical rounds. Solid projectiles. This is listed on her profile, credited as being the red shells. Her short range blasts are not physical projectiles, but for her to range spam like you're suggesting she does, she would have to use the actual ammo. Which Inasa would block with his wind.
There is a picture right above you that shows Yang still using shells for Ember Celica. She is even in the middle of ejecting a shell, and the Compendium states she loads new rounds when she punches for Ember Celica. Her long range attacks are not pure kinetic force, they're solid projectiles.
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Yang oneshots 2 ton characters. Inasa is 1 ton. Yes she can oneshot him.
Yang's semblance is over 8 tons and he can't fly far enough to be able to simultaneously be out of her range and viably range spam her
She does not use physical projectiles. If you think she does then you need to make a crt because I'm honestly getting tired of you claiming things that are not only not reflected on the profile but have been repeatedly disproven.
I posted a pic of her gauntlet in volume 4 and asked you to show where the shells are, so please do. Her long range shots are kinetic energy as stated by the writers of the series.
Yang's semblance is over 8 tons and he can't fly far enough to be able to simultaneously be out of her range and viably range spam her
She does not use physical projectiles. If you think she does then you need to make a crt because I'm honestly getting tired of you claiming things that are not only not reflected on the profile but have been repeatedly disproven.
I posted a pic of her gauntlet in volume 4 and asked you to show where the shells are, so please do. Her long range shots are kinetic energy as stated by the writers of the series.
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What 2 ton character has Yang one shotted in volume 4? And that's not how one shots work, there would need to be a similar scaling chain in order for her one shotting Inasa to be accepted. There isn't a similar scaling chain though, so she can't one shot him without being 7.5x stronger than him, by the sites rules.
You cannot equalize one shots across verses, Weekly.
Her 8 ton feat with her Semblance was against another wind user, and she needed to force herself through his attack with several gauntlet shots. Her Semblance does not prevent her from being lifted, blown away or thrown by wind manipulation. Also, her Semblance doesn't last forever, so Inasa can easily outmaneuver her until it runs out. His flight is > her pseudo flight, and he can push her around with better wind manip than what Flynt Coal had.
Her red shells are physical projectiles, and explode on contact. That is written on her wiki. Make a crt if you think she doesn't use physical projectiles at all Weekly, you're the one trying to prove she doesn't have them.
And I posted a pic of Ember Celica having red shells, as well as a statement from the compendium where it is directly stated that she loads rounds after she punches.
The shells for her robot arm are obviously inside of it, as it's shown to have several compartments that open up, such as the piece where the nozzle for the gun comes out. We both know exactly where the shells would be on her arm, don't act oblivious.
Post the statement from the writers that her long range shots are kinetic energy.
You cannot equalize one shots across verses, Weekly.
Her 8 ton feat with her Semblance was against another wind user, and she needed to force herself through his attack with several gauntlet shots. Her Semblance does not prevent her from being lifted, blown away or thrown by wind manipulation. Also, her Semblance doesn't last forever, so Inasa can easily outmaneuver her until it runs out. His flight is > her pseudo flight, and he can push her around with better wind manip than what Flynt Coal had.
Her red shells are physical projectiles, and explode on contact. That is written on her wiki. Make a crt if you think she doesn't use physical projectiles at all Weekly, you're the one trying to prove she doesn't have them.
And I posted a pic of Ember Celica having red shells, as well as a statement from the compendium where it is directly stated that she loads rounds after she punches.
The shells for her robot arm are obviously inside of it, as it's shown to have several compartments that open up, such as the piece where the nozzle for the gun comes out. We both know exactly where the shells would be on her arm, don't act oblivious.
Post the statement from the writers that her long range shots are kinetic energy.
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Do Yang's flames actually burn or melt things?
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YesInsert creative name here 12 said:
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@Knight She scales to ruby who oneshot a Nevermore which is 1.42 tons. Inasa is 1 ton. By the site's rules she oneshots him. Make a crt if you think otherwise.
You can actually, we do it all the time here.
No? She has a 4 ton feat against a wind user and she oneshot him. Also i can post a scan that says otherwise regarging her not being able to be blown away while her semblance is active.
Yang does not have red shells. They were retconned. I already made a crt that was accepted. YOU are the one who needs to make a crt if you disagree with it.
And i posted a pic of her gauntlet from volume 4. We're going in circles but youre not any less wrong here.
Show where then
https://youtu.be/5IOf8F6ChKs?t=132
You can actually, we do it all the time here.
No? She has a 4 ton feat against a wind user and she oneshot him. Also i can post a scan that says otherwise regarging her not being able to be blown away while her semblance is active.
Yang does not have red shells. They were retconned. I already made a crt that was accepted. YOU are the one who needs to make a crt if you disagree with it.
And i posted a pic of her gauntlet from volume 4. We're going in circles but youre not any less wrong here.
Show where then
https://youtu.be/5IOf8F6ChKs?t=132
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One shots do not equal across verses. By this logic, any scenario from any verse where a character one shot someone from a certain tier, they can now one shot all characters in that tier. That isn't how one shots work. Read the wiki, it's right there in the rules. Also, the Nevermore doesn't have a similar scaling chain to Inasa, so again, this doesn't even matter.
Actually, isn't v4 Yang only baseline high 8-c from that feat? One shotting a building+ is grounds for baseline. She doesn't scale higher at all.
Show several examples of one shots across verses being accepted for cross verse debating in a mmaner similar to this, where a character is somewhere in a tier, but because the second character scales to someone that one shot a character that was also somewhere in that tier, they are allowed to one shot the first character. This is blatantly against the rules of how one shots are deemed to work. An around 7.5x AP advantage is required for a one shot outside specific circumstances, of which this is not one of them.
What wind user did Yang one shot. Don't say Flynt Coal, because he was severely damaged when she used his attack against him.
Yang in v4, v5, v6, v7 and in the RWBY compendium has red shells. This is on her profile. You're arguing for something that directly contradicts you. Make a crt if you want her red shells taken off her profile.
Death Battle specifically shows that she has red shells in their video. You just debunked yourself by posting that link. They also say she has limited ammunition of red shells. Heck, they even say the orange shells, which aren't even seen anymore and were likely retconned, are limited. Death Battle would actually be making Yang weaker if you took their word as god, which you shouldn't because by your own admission, since this death Battle was from before v4, it has been retconned.
Dream sequence v4 Yang has red shells.
V6 Yang has red shells, and actively has to load them, which is consistent with the compendium.
V5 Yang has red shells as well.
Even v7 Yang still has red shells.
Actually, isn't v4 Yang only baseline high 8-c from that feat? One shotting a building+ is grounds for baseline. She doesn't scale higher at all.
Show several examples of one shots across verses being accepted for cross verse debating in a mmaner similar to this, where a character is somewhere in a tier, but because the second character scales to someone that one shot a character that was also somewhere in that tier, they are allowed to one shot the first character. This is blatantly against the rules of how one shots are deemed to work. An around 7.5x AP advantage is required for a one shot outside specific circumstances, of which this is not one of them.
What wind user did Yang one shot. Don't say Flynt Coal, because he was severely damaged when she used his attack against him.
Yang in v4, v5, v6, v7 and in the RWBY compendium has red shells. This is on her profile. You're arguing for something that directly contradicts you. Make a crt if you want her red shells taken off her profile.
Death Battle specifically shows that she has red shells in their video. You just debunked yourself by posting that link. They also say she has limited ammunition of red shells. Heck, they even say the orange shells, which aren't even seen anymore and were likely retconned, are limited. Death Battle would actually be making Yang weaker if you took their word as god, which you shouldn't because by your own admission, since this death Battle was from before v4, it has been retconned.
Dream sequence v4 Yang has red shells.
V6 Yang has red shells, and actively has to load them, which is consistent with the compendium.
V5 Yang has red shells as well.
Even v7 Yang still has red shells.
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Except that is how it works, we've used that logic for years
Yes, and she oneshots people stronger than inasa
She did in fact oneshot flynt
I did, it was agreed that they be removed, i removed them myself
Yang doesnt use red shells as they were retconned. Everything youre bringing up has been brought up and debunked before.
Yes, and she oneshots people stronger than inasa
She did in fact oneshot flynt
I did, it was agreed that they be removed, i removed them myself
Yang doesnt use red shells as they were retconned. Everything youre bringing up has been brought up and debunked before.
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Prove that that is how it works. Examples and statements from other wiki members would be appreciated.
It doesn't matter who she one shots because one shots across verses don't equalize. You have to prove that they do equalize across verses first, because it is not stated anywhere in the rules for one shots.
No, she did not one shot Flynt. He had 26% of his aura left, had just fought Weiss, Yang didn't even hit him, and he wasn't even knocked out or severely injured. That's not a one shot.
V6 am V7 have not been retconned at all. V7 directly refuted your claim that Yang doesn't have red shells, and it is more canon than all of your evidence. You can't just claim that "it was retconned" and show no evidence to support you. That's either ignoring my evidence or blatantly lying.
Still on her page that she has red shells
It doesn't matter who she one shots because one shots across verses don't equalize. You have to prove that they do equalize across verses first, because it is not stated anywhere in the rules for one shots.
No, she did not one shot Flynt. He had 26% of his aura left, had just fought Weiss, Yang didn't even hit him, and he wasn't even knocked out or severely injured. That's not a one shot.
V6 am V7 have not been retconned at all. V7 directly refuted your claim that Yang doesn't have red shells, and it is more canon than all of your evidence. You can't just claim that "it was retconned" and show no evidence to support you. That's either ignoring my evidence or blatantly lying.
Still on her page that she has red shells
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I've asked a few people to confirm what I've said
Flynt with 26% of his aura is still high 8-C physically and she oneshot him. 'Weakened' doesnt apply to aura as its durability does not go down.
Huh, I'll remove that when I get home then, thank you for showing me
Flynt with 26% of his aura is still high 8-C physically and she oneshot him. 'Weakened' doesnt apply to aura as its durability does not go down.
Huh, I'll remove that when I get home then, thank you for showing me
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Very well, I confirmed it with others too. I severely dislike that this rule isn't listed on the page that explains how one shots work, but whatever I guess.
Yang didnt hit Flynt at all. She did not touch Flynt a single time. She defeated him by closing his trumpet and letting his own attack blast in his face. But this argument is irrelevant since Base Yang can one shot Inasa anyway.
The most you should remove is that she doesn't have standard shells anymore since they were retconned, but Yang having red shells, which are physical projectiles that need to be loaded into her gauntlets, is still canon and has not been retconned at all. Her long ranged projectiles are still physical objects, not kinetic force, thus Inasa just blows them away.
So far the only thing that's changed is that Yang can now one shot Inasa, but considering she couldn't hit him in the first place due to his wind manipulation and her lack of ways to deal with his flight, my argument remains the same.
Inasa has a near 4x AP advantage over Base Yang that he can spam, and is completely unaffected by her projectiles. Yang's only shot of winning is doing what she did against Flynt where she blasts herself at Inasa to counter his wind, but that won't work because Inasa can actually fly, as well as has far more control over his attacks than Flynt did, which was just a straightforward sound wave. Inasa can toss Yang away before she reaches him easily since his range is high end tens of meters, all while dealing massive damage to her Aura. Her Semblance doesn't last forever, and if her Aura runs out, she's going to get knocked out easily.
Inasa takes this. Yang can't land a single hit on the guy, while his mobility and AP chunks her heavily. Glass Cannon has my vote.
Yang didnt hit Flynt at all. She did not touch Flynt a single time. She defeated him by closing his trumpet and letting his own attack blast in his face. But this argument is irrelevant since Base Yang can one shot Inasa anyway.
The most you should remove is that she doesn't have standard shells anymore since they were retconned, but Yang having red shells, which are physical projectiles that need to be loaded into her gauntlets, is still canon and has not been retconned at all. Her long ranged projectiles are still physical objects, not kinetic force, thus Inasa just blows them away.
So far the only thing that's changed is that Yang can now one shot Inasa, but considering she couldn't hit him in the first place due to his wind manipulation and her lack of ways to deal with his flight, my argument remains the same.
Inasa has a near 4x AP advantage over Base Yang that he can spam, and is completely unaffected by her projectiles. Yang's only shot of winning is doing what she did against Flynt where she blasts herself at Inasa to counter his wind, but that won't work because Inasa can actually fly, as well as has far more control over his attacks than Flynt did, which was just a straightforward sound wave. Inasa can toss Yang away before she reaches him easily since his range is high end tens of meters, all while dealing massive damage to her Aura. Her Semblance doesn't last forever, and if her Aura runs out, she's going to get knocked out easily.
Inasa takes this. Yang can't land a single hit on the guy, while his mobility and AP chunks her heavily. Glass Cannon has my vote.
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I actually agree with you in that regard, it definitely should be written, would prevent a lot of confusion
The red shells are what was retconned, the writers recently confirmed that she uses energy shots not solid projectiles, mostly because in the recent volume they actually have her the ability to shoot solid projectiles and they have a visible projectile to them. Her attacks are all shots of kinetic energy, she no longer uses red shells.
I dont see why she can't hit him, his wind wouldnt be much of an issue once her semblance gets up seeing ad even in a weaker key her semblance prevented her from being sent flying.
Said 4x advantage gets blocked by her aura and lets her amp her semblance faster, and since this is volume 4 yang shes not gping to stand there and just let herself get hit shes going to be on the move. If he tries to get her far away she can just spam him with ranged attacks which would eventually overheat him and cause his wind manip to fail seeing as theyre literally exploding balls of energy. If her aura runs out shes still high 8-C with explosive projectile attacks.
Still sticking with yang
The red shells are what was retconned, the writers recently confirmed that she uses energy shots not solid projectiles, mostly because in the recent volume they actually have her the ability to shoot solid projectiles and they have a visible projectile to them. Her attacks are all shots of kinetic energy, she no longer uses red shells.
I dont see why she can't hit him, his wind wouldnt be much of an issue once her semblance gets up seeing ad even in a weaker key her semblance prevented her from being sent flying.
Said 4x advantage gets blocked by her aura and lets her amp her semblance faster, and since this is volume 4 yang shes not gping to stand there and just let herself get hit shes going to be on the move. If he tries to get her far away she can just spam him with ranged attacks which would eventually overheat him and cause his wind manip to fail seeing as theyre literally exploding balls of energy. If her aura runs out shes still high 8-C with explosive projectile attacks.
Still sticking with yang
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Yeah, you already voted Cinder
I'm on the clock rn and cant reply to absoltely everything but
-Yang's semblance has no proof it can produce as much heat as Todoroki's flames, so its hard to say it would be 'uncontrollable', especially if you're claiming Yang would try to zone out and her heat would be away from Inasa. Its honestly very unviable to say Yang wins by using only one move in her projectiles.
-Whether they're bullets, energy shots, whatever, they aren't immune to wind resistance and can be dampened/peterred with enough distance by the strong compressed winds Inasa can create. I'd imagine unless it was dust, somethig would need to contain this kinetic energy
-Yang's semblance works best with blunt force, wind gusts wont deal that form of damage, and would exhaust her much more than Inasa would be.
-Inasa's profile a bit outdated, but he has other applications such as Speed Amp he can use to keep scoring advantages. All while he's still in the air that Yang will find it incredibly hard to reach.
-Death Battle analysis never really valid, Yang vs Tifa was written (not by actual writers) before the partnership i believe to celebrate, and was used to get RWBY publicity by making Yang win stupidly (How i got into RWBY). Would not use it
-We do still see her red shells in her gauntlets.
-Cant really say Flynt was oneshot when his aura was weakened and lowered. Aura depreciates over use so its very easy to assume his durability was lowering.
-Yang in her semblance (which wouldnt be as effective like previous point) hasn't got a complete wind resistance and immunity now. It wont matter at all if shes far away and cant land a meaningful shot. Not to mention shes at low aura in this stage. Unlike Flynt, Inasa can manipulate the direction the winds strike at too, so he could easily send her flying upwards, from the sides etc, rather than against her own motion.
Im voting Inasa too btw
I'm on the clock rn and cant reply to absoltely everything but
-Yang's semblance has no proof it can produce as much heat as Todoroki's flames, so its hard to say it would be 'uncontrollable', especially if you're claiming Yang would try to zone out and her heat would be away from Inasa. Its honestly very unviable to say Yang wins by using only one move in her projectiles.
-Whether they're bullets, energy shots, whatever, they aren't immune to wind resistance and can be dampened/peterred with enough distance by the strong compressed winds Inasa can create. I'd imagine unless it was dust, somethig would need to contain this kinetic energy
-Yang's semblance works best with blunt force, wind gusts wont deal that form of damage, and would exhaust her much more than Inasa would be.
-Inasa's profile a bit outdated, but he has other applications such as Speed Amp he can use to keep scoring advantages. All while he's still in the air that Yang will find it incredibly hard to reach.
-Death Battle analysis never really valid, Yang vs Tifa was written (not by actual writers) before the partnership i believe to celebrate, and was used to get RWBY publicity by making Yang win stupidly (How i got into RWBY). Would not use it
-We do still see her red shells in her gauntlets.
-Cant really say Flynt was oneshot when his aura was weakened and lowered. Aura depreciates over use so its very easy to assume his durability was lowering.
-Yang in her semblance (which wouldnt be as effective like previous point) hasn't got a complete wind resistance and immunity now. It wont matter at all if shes far away and cant land a meaningful shot. Not to mention shes at low aura in this stage. Unlike Flynt, Inasa can manipulate the direction the winds strike at too, so he could easily send her flying upwards, from the sides etc, rather than against her own motion.
Im voting Inasa too btw
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