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Yang weakness Removal

WeeklyBattles

WeeklyBattles

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Since this is apparently a big enough issue to make this, Yang's weakness to kicks is based off of one clip of her being slightly pushed back in her fight with Melanie Malachite despite her immediately drop kicking her. The stuff used to support this are Yang fighting a held back Mercury who is inherently much stronger than herself and Yang being knocked out by Neo while Yang was exhausted and half asleep.

TL;DR Yang does not have a weakness to kicks.
 
AnonymousBlank said:
Doesn't it stem from WoG saying she has a harder time with kicks in comparison to punches because she is primarily a boxer or smth?
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Yes but she never demonstrated any actual weakness to it
 
Anyone have the vid of Monty saying it?

Rn I'm pretty neutral as from what was shown in the fight, she is simply more used to literal hth and simply needed to adjust to Melanie. Think of it like a MMA, the guy can be a pro boxer but know TKD on the side. Sure he isn't as good at giving/countering kicks as he is at punches but he isn't necessarily weak to them.
 
Okay so Monty says her biggest weakness (when it comes to fighting) is against people who use kicks. Thats not actually a weakness at all. Even her fights against kick based fighters doesn't show its a weakness.

  • Melanie, she wasn't even losing or having trouble (girl didn't even get tagged) before bodying
  • Neo is far stronger than her anyway and was mostly dodging/outmaneuvering Yang (guess Yang is weak to dodging ovo)
  • Mercury is once again far stronger than her. For the Mercury fight, yes it was his intent to lose and he was holding back but earlier in the volume, he held back against Pyrrha and still forced her to use her Semblance.
Ngl, is there any actual reasoning beyond what is basically "hth character has more difficulty with range attacks than cqc"?
 
The author's statement and the fact that Melanie who is inferior to her pushed her back while Militia her sister got stomped notably faster than her sister did. Nothing contradicts it and that fight at Junior's club supports it, Mercury still intended to lose though he doesn't have some set limit he holds his strength back to so using his fight with Pyrrha doesn't really work
 
Author statement doesn't even say its a weakness but that she is weaker to kick based fighters. See my MMA analogy.

Trouble? You mean where she blocked everything with ease and sent Mel into the floor?

Point is him holding back doesn't mean he is now fodder. He showed far more skill held back in his fight against Yang than Melanie did at the club but you want to handwave it off as "well he wanted to lose so it doesn't count".
 
AnonymousBlank said:
Author statement doesn't even say its a weakness but that she is weaker to kick based fighters. See my MMA analogy.

Trouble? You mean where she blocked everything with ease and sent Mel into the floor?

Point is him holding back doesn't mean he is now fodder. He showed far more skill held back in his fight against Yang than Melanie did at the club but you want to handwave it off as "well he wanted to lose so it doesn't count".
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He explicitly said "Yang had the most trouble fighting Melanie because her biggest weakness is kicking characters"

She still had more trouble with her than with Militia the point still stands

If I fight a child and intend to lose then you can't count that as a feat for the child and the same is true for Yang since she didn't fight the guy at his full strength was almost beaten and had to rely on her semblance to 'win'
 
It's not like kick-based fighters deal double damage or something like that.

weakness

noun

/╦êwi╦Ék.nəs/

/╦êwi╦Ék.nəs/

"the fact or state of not being strong or powerful

"a particular part or quality of someone or something that is not good or effective

Yang not being as effective against kickers is a weakness in her fighting style.

Rocky Balboa had an inherent disadvantage against right-handed boxers due to being left-handed the same applies viceversa but let's not look for logic in a movie written by Stallone, shall we?. This is a weakness in his style, because he holds a disadvantage against such people.

In this case, this is a very minor flaw. It's not like Yang can't fight kickers, it's just that their style is a bit more troublesome than the rest.
 
It's an implicit weakness. If you just punch to fight, someone with a staff or a gun would give you a lot of troubles.

This case is for Yang having a harder time to adapt to kick-based fighting styles, which is physical combat, not against someone with a shotgun.
 
Yeah it is. Having more difficulty doing X than Y doesn't make it a weakness for performing X when you can perform X with no difficulty. I have a harder time doing multiplication than addition but that doesn't mean jack if I can perform it faster than a supercomputer.
 
I'd agree that her weakness to kicks isn't a real weakness if WoG didn't explicitly call it that, and if the one feat that supports it is also the one that disproves it.

Miltiades got stomped by Yang 1v1, and she is equal to her sister. Her sister uses kicks and lasted longer because, from WoG, Yang has a weakness against kick based fighting styles. She still lost after Yang adjusted, but she lasted longer than her sister, which is what matters.

Having a weakness to a certain thing doesn't mean it's an instawin if an opponent uses it against you. In this case, it just means a kick based fighter will give her a harder time than a punch based one. I don't see why this shouldn't be noted on her profile.
 
Kingofwolves999 said:
In this case, it just means a kick based fighter will give her a harder time than a punch based one. I don't see why this shouldn't be noted on her profile.
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Yet yang laid her out almost immedistely
 
Weekly, read my whole response before you comment on it. I literally mention that she still loses, but that she lasted longer than her sister due to her fighting style. Because Yang can't deal with kicks as well as she can other fighting styles.
 
Someone being not as skilled in one thing as they are in other things, enough so that an opponent can get somewhat of an advantage against them because of it, is not a trait that Yang alone has, and several people on the site have similar issues noted on their profiles. Yang shouldn't get special treatment because you say so.
 
WeeklyBattles said:
Making your opponent block and take a few steps back does not mean yang had any significant trouble with her to warrant saying that she is weak to kick based fighting styles
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You're still not getting it Melanie did better than her sister. Melanie uses kicks, Militia does not. Monty Oum cited this to validate his statement that Yang has a weakness against kicks it isn't about if Melanie won
 
That's not what I'm basing my argument on, I'm basing it on what Monty said and how Yang dealt with Mellanie vs how she handled Miltiades. She handled one sister differently from the other. Why? Because one of their fighting styles she could deal with, the other she had problems with.

You're ignoring my points
 
Your interpretation of a fight is not relevant compared to the authors interpretation Weekly. Unless you have insurmountable evidence that your stance on why Melanie lasted longer than Miltiades is right, Monty'y version is he one that will be used, and his interpretation is that it was due to Yang's weakness to kicks. Which he wrote into her character. And even used to hype up a fight against another kick based character.
 
What I get from here is that Yang has a hard time dealing with opponents who uses kicks mainly but it isn't something that insta makes her lose.

So, what is the problem with her having that as part of her profile?
 
Tony di bugalu said:
What I get from here is that Yang has a hard time dealing with opponents who uses kicks mainly but it isn't something that insta makes her lose.

So, what is the problem with her having that as part of her profile?
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It was used as part of a reason she'd lose a vs battle and Weekly decided to remove it from her profile, there's video proof from the author that it is her weakness and Weekly won't accept that
 
Tony di bugalu said:
What I get from here is that Yang has a hard time dealing with opponents who uses kicks mainly but it isn't something that insta makes her lose.

So, what is the problem with her having that as part of her profile?
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Because thats not an explicit weakness
 
Insert creative name here 12 said:
It was used as part of a reason she'd lose a vs battle and Weekly decided to remove it from her profile, there's video proof from the author that it is her weakness and Weekly won't accept that
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Try to incite drama like this again and im afraid i will have to report you. Stop with thefalse accusations immediately.
 
"False Accusations"

> that is literally what caused this thread to exist

We were in a vs battle where this topic came up, and you decided to, without any CRT or notification, remove a weakness from Yang's profile because you felt she shouldn't have it. And that weakness just so happened to be relevant to the vs battle you were partaking in. That's not a false accusation, it's literally what happened

Also is that a threat Weekly?
 
I have to agree this doesn't seem like a real full on weakness, she struggles slightly with it but that just seems like a lack of experience with dealing with kicks overall. Ie she simply needs to adjust to her opponents movments/use of kicks. Im fine with removing it if everyone else is in agreement.
 
Fair, its a weird one for me, its her not being used to her opponents use of attacks. Shouldn't every character have that weakness when pitted against someone who uses fighting styles they aren't familiar with? Im just not sure how exactly to denote it....
 
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