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Zoe vs The One Above All reincarnate, a baseball kid who is obsessed with saying "OK!"

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I dont know what he would get in the CRT but as is, Zoe would precog and then conceptually seal him or conceptually EE him.
 
Precog... Eh Ness has Fate hax and Nigh Omniscience to cover that. Conceptual hax tho? I don't think he can bypass that, however, I notice the range says "interplanetary" and therefore it wouldn't affect Ness, who is one with space and time. Plus, Truth of the Universe could most likely revert this if he were to die.

Meanwhile, Ness can cast PSI abilities and status effect inducement onto Zoe.
 
fate hax and nigh omniscience do not defend from precog and are not precog either. The size literally does nto matter it deletes you conceptually and affects type1 abstracts. He would get conceptually erased he is not coming back from that. Also her range should be changed tbh she has higher dimensional range.
 
Nigh Omniscience as in... Knowing almost everything, Ness obtained this via the Truth of the Universe. He knows about The Apple of enlightenment (also apart of him btw), which is a Precognition and Clairvoyance machine. Fate hax just changes things to Ness's favor, as Zoe is a threat to the universe and literally is trying to erase it or seal it. Size does kinda matter, can Zoe erase living universes? And even if Zoe does manages to erase Ness, truth would revert this lost and make it never happened.

If you think it should be changed, make a CRT.
 
Thats great..still does nothing against precog.

She sure as hell can that is what conceptual sealing on at least a universal+ level allows for. she has sealed and erased entire living concepts from a 2-B universe, Low 2-C is nothing. if it is on a 2-B level truth cant do shit.

Chnage what? There is nothing to change, what you talk about simply is not on the same level. The only weird thing is fate hax which apparently just either lets him win or incon which is a massive NLF without some kind of helpful proof or statement.
 
Anyway, soo like, that still doesn't answer my question. "Low 2-C level" doesn't help at all. What I'm saying is if Zoe can erase or seal an entire universe not erasing concepts from whatever universe. Change? As in like, the odds going into Ness's favor so he can win comfortably as she is a threat to the universe. Also... "NLF", nice try bud. Passive Fate hax usually means you are destined to win or are fated to win, several characters has these sorta treatment so you might as well call them NLF. Essentially, the Truth of the Universe is protecting Ness at all times, reverting any losses Ness has suffered, which is represented as a bad dream. Ness is not supposed to lose at all since he is supposed to restore order to the universe and stop those that poses a threat to the Universe, Zoe here is clearly doing that.

And I feel like we are neglecting Ness's PSI abilities, namely Paralysis and PK Flash.
 
I dont see why wshe wont be able to? You are really not making sense, she is not stuffing whtever she seals into a bottle or anything, it simply disappears from the world. You are the person not helping at all.

If his odds of winning are not high at all:Like for example being sealed or erased, then I dont see how this fate hax would help him in anyway. Either way it does not have to be sealing she can simply erase him.

I was sking you to prove how it works, not give me this condescedning bs "nice try buddy" you cant just say: Fate hax. And expect me to nod in agreement. A lot of them have better explanations on the page, regardless you are listing those characters as if the are meant to mean something to me, spoiler they dont.

Thanks for finally explaining.

We are ignoring thing because most of them dont mean anyting the moment he gets conceptually erased.
 
"I dont see why wshe wont be able to? You are really not making sense, she is not stuffing whtever she seals into a bottle or anything, it simply disappears from the world. You are the person not helping at all."

That's not what I meant at all or implying. Like, can she seal or erase a 4D person? Since Ness is one with the universe and all. And if she can, please provide me with scans or evidence of conceptually erasing Space-Time. Umm, and I don't think I really appreciate what you just said right there so let's tone it down, yes? Thank you.

"If his odds of winning are not high at all:Like for example being sealed or erased, then I dont see how this fate hax would help him in anyway. Either way it does not have to be sealing she can simply erase him."

The odds were already in Ness's favor, so his chances are inexplicably high. Erasing Ness won't finish him off as TOTU can simply revert it. Plus, I'm pretty sure Status effect inducement and Paralysis could incap her.


"I was sking you to prove how it works, not give me this condescedning bs "nice try buddy" you cant just say: Fate hax. And expect me to nod in agreement. A lot of them have better explanations on the page, regardless you are listing those characters as if the are meant to mean something to me, spoiler they dont."

You were the one who called it "Massively NLF" with no back up to that claim. I listed those characters as examples since they have similar abilities to that of Ness's. And yeah, to be honest, I was kinda a little annoyed back there so my apologies for that attitude.

"We are ignoring thing because most of them dont mean anyting the moment he gets conceptually erased."

Really? That's not really a good reason at all, especially if those abilities are thought based. PK Flash has a high chance of instantly killing Zoe or decreasing her accuracy. Paralysis makes it so she can't do anything physically, essentially incapacitating her.
 
TheQuirkyBoy said:
That's not what I meant at all or implying. Like, can she seal or erase a 4D person? Since Ness is one with the universe and all. And if she can, please provide me with scans or evidence of conceptually erasing Space-Time. Umm, and I don't think I really appreciate what you just said right there so let's tone it down, yes? Thank you.

The odds were already in Ness's favor, so his chances are inexplicably high. Erasing Ness won't finish him off as TOTU can simply revert it. Plus, I'm pretty sure Status effect inducement and Paralysis could incap her.

You were the one who called it "Massively NLF" with no back up to that claim. I listed those characters as examples since they have similar abilities to that of Ness's. And yeah, to be honest, I was kinda a little annoyed back there so my apologies for that attitude.

Really? That's not really a good reason at all, especially if those abilities are thought based. PK Flash has a high chance of instantly killing Zoe or decreasing her accuracy. Paralysis makes it so she can't do anything physically, essentially incapacitating her.
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Mate she seals type 1 abstracts how hard is that for you to udnerstand? And you started it tbh with the "nice try". She herself is a higher dimensional being and her sealing can erasure can not be undone by a literal universe.

If fate would just make him not be able to lose or be erased then yeah this is a stomp even before the update.

I am not meant to back up something being an NLF. You simply saif fate hax and I want to know what that means there are lots of people with fate hax that does not = I win. Apology accepted.

yeah and zoe's conceptual EE is thought based, if it was not for his fate hax he would be insta killed tbh and the other things wont matter.
 
Celestials are entiti3s that exist solely as abstract concepts and zoe van erase them, erasing the concept itself from existence, memory, and all of history to the point that beings like the darkin exist in a perpetual state of existence and nonexistence as their concept no longer exists
 
See? That's all you needed to say and present, it shouldn't have been this complex.

If it's a stomp, then so be it. Though, I thought Ness can incap with his psychic abilities, yes?
 
I'm not gonna weigh in on this just yet, but it would be highly appreciated if people could stop making Vs threads with EarthBound characters for the time being. QuirkyBoi and I are making a verse-wide CRT together with the help of some other knowledgeable users, and it's a lot of work to both have to work on this CRT and participate in threads (some of which that may become irrelevant due to changes). This is especially tiresome because the two of us are pretty much the only really active EB experts on the site, and while I don't necessarily participate in threads myself, QuirkyBoi and I talk a lot in private and we discuss threads like these.
 
Ehh not significantly, no. This thread doesn't need to be closed or anything, but please do not make any further threads. Thanks everyone.
 
Just coping and pasting from the profile since I'm too lazy

PK Rockin: Powerful psychokinetic wave that assaults all enemies.

Teleport: Allows immediate teleportation to anywhere he has previously been. Paralysis: Freezes opponents by making them too numb to move.

Shield: Reduces the damage in half and reflects enemy attacks back at them. Can be layered to become stronger.

Lifeup: Heals himself and his allies. PK Flash: Causes instant death, makes enemies cry or makes them feel strange or become numb.

Hypnosis: Victim falls asleep. Healing: Removes status alignments.

Then there's the whole ordeal with Fate hax etc etc etc
 
Truth just reverts Ness getting erased, that simple.

PK Flash and Paralysis should probably work here
 
>Reverts him being erased

Seeing as not even the literal universe can undo zoe's erasure and sealing I find that kind of hard to believe
 
I think weekly meant type 2 concept manip and was talking about type 1 abstracts. Also as I said about zoe's is 2-B as well since the LoL universe has countless timelines.
 
Zoe, Pantheon, Nagakabouros, and Kindred do

Edit: rocker is correct, i got the two mixed up
 
Zoe would have to directly effect Truth itself to prevent fate hax. Which she has no knowledge on. Truth can revert all changes to the universe as it can undo losing to Giygas despite all his time heckery, Zoe should be no different.

In fact, Truth is a type 1 abstract that is soon to embody a type 2 concept.
 
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