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Zoe has absolutely no knowledge on the truth of the universe
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zoe can literally see the past and future of anything she sees and has cosmic awareness on a higher dimensional scale. She would definitely notice it.TheQuirkyBoy said:Zoe has absolutely no knowledge on the truth of the universe
Ness is not Truth.Oblivion Of The Endless said:Truth will get resistance to type 2
But its Truth that protects himRocker1189 said:Ness is not Truth.Oblivion Of The Endless said:Truth will get resistance to type 2
Yes but truth having those resistances has nothing to do with Ness. unless trtuh literally tanks attacks for Ness.Oblivion Of The Endless said:But its Truth that protects him
Can I have a link to the CRT if it's up?ShadowGamerOmega said:I'm not gonna weigh in on this just yet, but it would be highly appreciated if people could stop making Vs threads with EarthBound characters for the time being. QuirkyBoi and I are making a verse-wide CRT together with the help of some other knowledgeable users, and it's a lot of work to both have to work on this CRT and participate in threads (some of which that may become irrelevant due to changes). This is especially tiresome because the two of us are pretty much the only really active EB experts on the site, and while I don't necessarily participate in threads myself, QuirkyBoi and I talk a lot in private and we discuss threads like these.
This was clearly ignoredTheQuirkyBoy said:Nope, In fact I recall one of the users claiming Ness would stomp. I believe that viewpoint has changed but regardless, I never saw anybody FRA'ing or out right saying "I vote this character via this"
Ness is not a conceptual being, so conceptual manipulation wouldn't be useful against him, only against the Truth of the Universe itself. As for the Truth of the Universe's ability to control fate, it only ensures that Ness is unable to conventionally lose, not that he will always necessarily prevail. We can see this through the game over screen, where if you choose to continue, your "loss" is turned into just a bad dream. While certain variables carry over such as everyone but Ness being unconscious and having 0 PP and any items gained or consumed, Ness's adventure carries on as if nothing happened. While Zoe is perfectly capable of erasing Ness, doing so would only cause the battle itself to be undone, and as such this is a possibility that the Truth of the Universe will prevent. If Zoe wants to beat Ness, she has to incapacitate him. The only form of incapacitation that counts as a loss for the player is the Diamondization status, or for our sake transmutation. Otherwise we've seen in game that Ness and Paula were capable of being jumped and incapacitated before being locked in an underground room. While the plot still moves the game forward by having Jeff rescue them, we still know that Ness is vulnerable to situations like these, and as such, the right win condition for Zoe would be sealing.WeeklyBattles said:Unless it has feats of restoring type 2 concepts you cannot argue that it can
Cosmic awareness as we define it is "the ability to observe phenomena and be aware of events on a cosmic scale, though the specifics may vary. Users of cosmic awareness can often sense others and detect potential threats across an interstellar, galactic, or even universal scale". This alone does not automatically mean that cosmic awareness users would be able to sense the Truth of the Universe, we would need more specific information about how their awareness works. If Zoe has feats showing her detecting a conceptual being that exists beyond the universe (and has no true tangible form), then it's fair to say that she can erase the Truth of the Universe and just kill or incapacitate Ness, but if no such feat exists, I wouldn't assume this ability alone would let her deal with the Truth of the Universe. Also, Cosmic Awareness isn't currently on her profile (the closest thing that matches your description is her Information Analysis), so if it's an ability she does have, I would suggest making a CRT or something, if one is not already in development.Rocker1189 said:zoe can literally see the past and future of anything she sees and has cosmic awareness on a higher dimensional scale. She would definitely notice it.
This is actually not true. There are no other characters in the verse that have type 2 conceptual manipulation, and there's no real reason to give the Truth of the Universe resistance without some sort of scaling or feat. The Truth of the Universe is fully vulnerable to conceptual manipulation as of now, so doing so is a fair win condition for Zoe if she is able to detect it and reach it. Also, I just want to be clear, but the current plan for the Truth of the Universe is not a straight upgrade to 2-B, but a change to "At Least 2-C, Possibly 2-B".Oblivion Of The Endless said:Truth will get resistance to type 2
No one even voted in this thread, read the thread please. The most we have is ShadowGamerOmega going with inconclusive, which I can sorta agree with.Jimboydejuan12 said:well guess im voted Zoe Fra.
> NLFJimboydejuan12 said:what could do you want Ness win to bring NLF?
actually im support weeklybattles due league of legends user as me.
Her win con doesn't change? So what I'm getting at is that her hax can affect Ness, who is one with Space-Time? I've also kinda pointed how the boy has Instant incapacitation and Precognitive abilities. I still stand by with Truth reverting Ness's death.Rocker1189 said:yeah she still wins in the same way.
yeah AP difference does not mean that looking at someone makes you insta win unless that is an ability of his.TheQuirkyBoy said:AP difference, yeah? Unless I'm missing something.
Really? She retains 4D hax...? Huh..Even so, Truth should be able to revert this.WeeklyBattles said:Yes, her has can affect ness who is one with space-time
Its instantTheQuirkyBoy said:How does her High-Mid regen work?
No offense, but just saying "dude" won't convince me and others at all.WeeklyBattles said:Dude she can erase Truth
Her feats justify the fact that shehas the ability to erase Teuth with her hax as shown by both myself and Rocker. Beetter?TheQuirkyBoy said:No offense, but just saying "dude" won't convince me and others at all.
She has the range to do so, rocker already explained thisTheQuirkyBoy said:And that is...? Her range needs to reflect upon this too, otherwise none of her abilities wouldn't even matter to Ness or Truth. And Truth exist beyond the Multiverse, so erasing seems unlikely. Even so, Truth (and probably Ness) would have already known these events if it were to happen. Which begs the question, why are we just assuming Truth would just stand there and tank it?