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Touhou Revisions: Stop bullying me, Junko Edition

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First the easy stuff: Kasen.

She herself would gain a few abilities:

-Sealing, as she sealed her own house away.

-Necromancy, due to weaponizing several skeletons

-Fusionism with her own arm.

-I don't know how to rate this, but her arm became its own being after being cut off from her.

-This is something that should apply to other Onis too, but Kasen should gain at least Mid-High regen against spiritual attacks, in the same vein as Remilia. When Reimu defeated her, she completely vanished, yet came back later. Note that even though her arm was left after being "killed", it was considered its own being again and so Kasen didn't regen from it.

I don't think that Kasen needs a key for her new forms, since she doesn't gain any new abilities like this and nor does she become stronger.

There is ooone possible thing. Kasen's Arm stated that her true form was "nonexistent" and implied that it can't be seen normally. However I have no idea how the hell we rate this, since no one goes on any further on this.

Also, Reimu should get Low Multiversal range via teleportation, as she could teleport her body to Hell.


Now for the big one.

We now know due to WaHH's last chapters that Touhou's Hell is infinite. More precisely, at least one part of Hell is infinite: Avici. A hell specifically meant to be infinite and boring. This is kinda huge, considering how Hell was only considered 5-A-sized before.

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For the record, this is the list of feats that involves some form of Afterlife (Any afterlives in Touhou except for Former Hell scales to Hell, since the Netherworld is bigger than it and Heaven is bigger than the Netherworld):

-Suika destroyed Heaven in order to make it like the Moon was destroyed.

-Yukari messed with the Boundary between Gensokyo and the Netherworld.

-The Yamas increased the size of the Netherworld.

-Doremy not only re-created the Netherworld in a dream, she also re-created the Land of the Backdoor too, which should be Infinite too now due to scaling to the Afterlives.

This...is quite a lot of potentially High 3-A feats for the verse. Now of course not everything noted above is 100% likely to truly be a High 3-A feat, but it's still something I wanted to discuss. Bear in mind that the verse had possible High 3-A feats before too:

-Kaguya created an infinite corridor by taking infinite pieces of space-time and putting them at the end of each other.

-Miko absorbed all the space of the infinite corridor above, nullifying it.

-Miko also created Senkai, which has been stated to be infinite.

-Komachi extending the Sanzu River to be infinite under her powers.

So Touhou being now High 3-A is a huge change. So I really want as much input as possible with this.

(Also time doesn't pass in Avici. Idk what to make of this tho)
 
I know nothing about Touhou but from an outside point of view it seems alright?

Is it outright stated that Heaven an Netherworld are bigger than Hell? Just curious because you brought that up and I'm intrigued.
 
Hecatia and some of the moon people would also get their tier bumped up via being superior Yukari and Suika, correct?
 
Yeah. It was outright said that the Netherworld is bigger than Hell, and then that Heaven is bigger than the Netherworld. These quotes are a pain in the ass to find each time I want to, though.

@Junko If it scales to anyone at all, it would scale to them, since the strongest who'd ever get an upgrade from this is Doremy anyway.
 
This seems good. Wasn't there also something about people in hell being able to create infinite Otherworlds?
 
The infinite Otherworlds is more like that they can create any number they want with no concequences, not that they can just snap their fingers and create infinite of them.
 
Saikou where did you get the statement about The netherworld being larger then Hell and Heaven being larger then the netherworld? Just curious.
 
You're right, this is actually a prank and the moment the profiles get edited, everyone that agreed here is making a CRT to downgrade them back to their previous tier.
 
The statement is from one of the guidebooks. Like I said I keep forgetting about where it is so gimme time to find it.
 
Ah there it is. Yuyuko's PMiSS's entry states this:

"It's said that the Netherworld today is larger than Hell."

And Yuyuko says this in her SWR story mode upon entering Heaven:

"Heaven is even larger than the Netherworld."
 
It doesn't mean there is an infinite amount of spirits. The spirits still come from the finite human population.

@Cal Suika's only other feat is like a casual black hole throw under spell card rules, so it's not an outlier for her in isolation, but it might be for the verse as a whole. There are still more High 3-A feats, so I want to see if it's consistent with those.
 
Ah yes, I agree with these changes! After all, I for a fact have knew something was very wrong with the tierings of Touhou, and for stupid reasons because of wank. I will accept this.
 
The upgrade is more accurate, of course! Ive been waiting to see the day they would correct the tiers.
 
I'm still waiting for the day Touhou reached 2-A shennanigans and bunch of hax addition/upgrade

Anyway this looks fine so i agree
 
But Saikou-kun, I thought the statement specifically saying that hell is 273 000 km big is absolutely 100% reliable. How can a part of that hell be larger than hell as a whole? :O
 
In term of reliability, Zun's WoG that contradicts the entire universe < Maribel's statement < Kasen and that disembodied voice's statement

Also given that both Heaven and Hell are made out of many separate realms, it's possible that both of those statements referred to different hells (As it's rather consistent for characters to use generic "Hell" and "Heaven" to refer to specific parts of the thing)
 
Also technically if Senkai is infinite, Miko's feat is Low 2-C, but this one's not actually consistent, so let's not
 
I mean most of this hax has been used to directly damage people before, so it should be applicable.
 
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