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Battle for the strongest 2-B verse: Pokémon vs Tokyo Babel

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for who takes the 2-B spot on this list.


Fight assumptions:
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  1. Every character and faction is simultaneously at its peak.
  2. A truce between all characters in each verse is made. Otherwise they are in character, but willing to kill as usual. This means characters don't necessarily cooperate towards their common goal. The truce also doesn't prevent internal conflict should the opponent use special methods to cause it.
  3. A portal large enough to fit through each verses armies and weapons is opened in a neutral easily accessible position in each verse. Through that portal they can fight each other. The portal is indestructible.
  4. Battle starts at your average day. (meaning no preparations for this battle have been made)
  5. Things in verses that we have no profile for, but exist, may be considered.
 
Bobsican said:
A finite number?
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I´m asking because there´s a constantly expanding number of Dialgas, Palkias, Giratinas, etc. being formed in the Pokémon multiverse.
 
I´m asking because there´s a constantly expanding number of Dialgas, Palkias, Giratinas, etc. being formed in the Pokémon multiverse.

That's false.

There is only 1 Dialga with multiple avatars. Kill the conceptual being and the avatars go poof.
 
What they can do against Tokyo Babel's God tier which resist to literally all of their hax? the size of Arceus isn't really a problem if they can destroy him progressively.
 
Nothing is stopping the llama from just mentally subjugating them. Type 5 acausality comes from transcending causality which is...okay, I guess. Literally zero problem for any immeasurable who transcends causality by default. Tiamat resists like, half of Arceus's hax at best and gets destroyed due to the range gap.
 
I thought "transcends causality" on its own wasn't enough for type 5 in the sense of actually negating everything.
 
Trancends causality, is a reversal to causality, the causality of the multiversely passively prevents them from being harmed etc.
 
@Schnee. There was a lot of misinformation, like Tiamat being reliant on the concept of god.

@Wok. Idk, man. Her profile just says "Acausality (Type 5; Transcends causality)"
 
Oh well if they've actually been shown to just be immune to everything for that reason, that's another thing entirely.
 
Ah, it was from type 5 acausality. Not gonna lie, type 5 acausality in itself as an ability (not necessarily Tiamat's, but just the ability in general) is kinda wanked, as a good enough causality manipulator bypasses it like nothing, which even the CT are capable of doing, as they distort causal law as a side effect of their fights.
 
I mean it depends on the user. Dudes like Oryx or Chaos Gods aren't gonna give a shit about "distorts causal law as a side effect of their fights" since it's a law that they're totally unbound by in the first place (hence the rating). Idk Tiamat though so can't say for her.
 
"the causality of the multiversely passively prevents them from being harmed"

Sounds like something that can be bypassed with causality manipulation, or rewriting the multiverse in itself.
 
The real cal howard said:
Ah, it was from type 5 acausality. Not gonna lie, type 5 acausality in itself as an ability (not necessarily Tiamat's, but just the ability in general) is kinda wanked, as a good enough causality manipulator bypasses it like nothing, which even the CT are capable of doing, as they distort causal law as a side effect of their fights.
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>A Causality user able to affect something beyond Causality

Meh.
 
Causality manipulation can still affect people who are acasual If it has a feat of doing so

Otherwise it's moot
 
The real cal howard said:
"the causality of the multiversely passively prevents them from being harmed"

Sounds like something that can be bypassed with causality manipulation, or rewriting the multiverse in itself.
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Wait where does that say though? Seems there are some kind of confusion here.
 
If you have an issue with type 5 acausality make a thread, don't bring it up in every Pokemon Vs Tokyo Babel thread.

God after being nerfed of it's abilities by Raizel was stated to in its current form not be a being who transcends causality, implying before that he did transcend causality.

In the explanation for the origin of God, he was said to be a reversal to causality.

Then there is the other thing where he is said to be invulnerable cause the every causalities of the multiverse prevent it from being harm, and in addition the laws of the multiverse also prevent him from being harmed.

It's multiple things that suggest God has type 5.
 
If it was accepted for type 5 acausality, it would seem more to be the sort of thing that's like "everyone else is bound by regular causality so they can't affect dudes who can't" which sounds like great type 4 more, in all honesty. Non Oryx Hive Gods have something similar.

It seems more like it's having the ability in the first place that's the point of contention, as opposed to type 5 itself.
 
@CP. there's beenliterally only one thread before this so where's this "every" coming from?

What does reversal to causality even mean?

If you're reliant on causality to remain invulnerable, then you're clearly not immune to causality.
 
1-As in general are very weird. It's probably better to equate to the non 1-A examples in determining this, like Nocturnal, Khorne and the other Chaos Gods, and Oryx, the Taken King.

It's a power that was probably intended as 1-A exclusive but fiction be fiction lol
 
Before being nerfed God was said to exist on a separate plane of existence than the multiverse, and transcends causality, and it's only after being made vulnerable by something which had his own power, was he able to be harmed.
 
I mean, the logic of the old world and the concepts of time and space are non-existent or inapplicable for Giratina (distortion world) that passively distorts the laws of reality, in which the laws of causality must be included, since X/Y confirm its existence slightly. Giratina is only a part of Big Llama.

Buuuuut I have no idea about TB and my time is still limited to get me fully into a debate, so...
 
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