(0-1-0) Four VS Computer: Really Valuable Smelling Hosts

[Psychomaster35]

Oh hey, an object show VS object show match in the same tier? Don't mind if I do. Personally, this is a better dynamic than Battle for Dream Island VS Inanimate Insanity by debating standards, so stop asking for that fight please.

Story: Super Object Computer and Evil Computer Supreme were in the middle of their final confrontation until Evil Computer decided to open up a portal with his portal gun behind Computer and blast him through it as the portal closes shortly after. Upon recovering, Computer finds himself in the BFDI universe, specifically during the middle of post-split BFB as he happened to have accidentally interrupted the competition hosted by Four upon his arrival. Angry at this interruption, Four attacks Computer, and the fight begins between them.

Speed is equalized, both are 4-A (Super Object Computer is used), and the battle takes place in the Pillary Ruins. Both start 10 meters apart from each other.

Who wins?

I'm not the one who doesn't know their value:

Suck on these nuts:

Two and Evil Computer take away their shows again:

 

[TheMassivlyUnkn0wn]

what are their scaling chains again

 

[Psychomaster35]

what are their scaling chains again

Four scales around a one-shot value above 33.76 exaFOE

Computer is 540.16 exaFOE

So Computer is 16x stronger, but Four's regeneration should make up for it

 

[JustANormalLemon]

This battle seen to be "who BFR" the other first

 

[Psychomaster35]

This battle seen to be "who BFR" the other first

The issue is, both of Four's BFR methods can be escaped by Computer through him teleporting, whereas Four has no way to get out of Computer's mind once he gets sent through his LED lights.

 

[JustANormalLemon]

The issue is, both of Four's BFR methods can be escaped by Computer through him teleporting, whereas Four has no way to get out of Computer's mind once he gets sent through his LED lights.

If computer teleport out of Four's mouth he will stay small as funk so Four will have a extremely easy time just crushing him, Four BFR is also much harder to scape the process of being affected by then computer, Four pulls distorting the affected phisically, Computer's just pull, and with stellar level LS four can just resist the pull

 

[Psychomaster35]

If computer teleport out of Four's mouth he will stay small as funk so Four will have a extremely easy time just crushing him

No? You're thinking about Evil Leafy, not Four. The EXITors and Death PACT were clearly normal sized the moment they got out of Four.

While you might've also been thinking about Woody getting out of Four's eye and staying small, that was from his eye, not his mouth where the EXIT is.

Four BFR is also much harder to scape the process of being affected by then computer, Four pulls distorting the affected phisically, Computer's just pull, and with stellar level LS four can just resist the pull

Fair that both of Four's BFR options are harder for Computer to avoid than Four avoiding Computer's BFR... except Computer literally teleports out of both the EXIT and the BRB once he gets trapped in them, whereas Four has no way to escape Computer's mindscape once he gets trapped in there.

Though, funny you say that Four sucks Computer in, because touching Computer's LED lights will just automatically send Four to Computer's mind, which was the same mistake Normal Pill made when he ran right into Computer's LED lights without Computer even needing to do anything.

 

[JustANormalLemon]

No? You're thinking about Evil Leafy, not Four. The EXITors and Death PACT were clearly normal sized the moment they got out of Four.

While you might've also been thinking about Woody getting out of Four's eye and staying small, that was from his eye, not his mouth where the EXIT is.

Fair that both of Four's BFR options are harder for Computer to avoid than Four avoiding Computer's BFR... except Computer literally teleports out of both the EXIT and the BRB once he gets trapped in them, whereas Four has no way to escape Computer's mindscape once he gets trapped in there.

Though, funny you say that Four sucks Computer in, because touching Computer's LED lights will just automatically send Four to Computer's mind, which was the same mistake Normal Pill made when he ran right into Computer's LED lights without Computer even needing to do anything.

For the first one, everyone You mentioned tried to scape directly trough Four's "openings" We can assume that the act of entering and leaving Four pocket dimension has also size changing proprieties, Computer teleporting out would not affect his size as we Saw when woody left Four trough uncoventional means He didn't recoverd his size, and considering that we see Death P.A.C.T inside four beig smaller then his mouth and their arms outside beig normal sized It's a fair assumption that leaving four trough his mouth or a "hole" on his body also makes You grow again

So teleporting out would be a similar situation to Woody leaving Four trough the eye

For the "just touching" argument, Normal Pill was going to be eliminated alread so Computer probable just pulled him in the moment they colided and not that is passivaly BFR when touching the LEDs

Finally, what stops four from atacking computer "mind self" when inside the LEDs like evile blood bag did with bomb when inside his mind scape? After all computer BFR to inside his own mind scape

 

[Psychomaster35]

For the first one, everyone You mentioned tried to scape directly trough Four's "openings" We can assume that the act of entering and leaving Four pocket dimension has also size changing proprieties, Computer teleporting out would not affect his size as we Saw when woody left Four trough uncoventional means He didn't recoverd his size, and considering that we see Death P.A.C.T inside four beig smaller then his mouth and their arms outside beig normal sized It's a fair assumption that leaving four trough his mouth or a "hole" on his body also makes You grow again

No? That was never even stated that leaving through any part of his body that isn't his eye (which isn't even the EXIT) is going to make them small. Leaving through openings are simply just the space inside of Four's EXIT being smaller for the sake of compressing everything in. You need to prove that leaving Four's EXIT that isn't through an opening is actually shrinking them, but you don't, because as someone who's watched every episode of the series, there literally is no proof.

For the "just touching" argument, Normal Pill was going to be eliminated alread so Computer probable just pulled him in the moment they colided and not that is passivaly BFR when touching the LEDs

Computer has never had the need to do anything when Normal Pill crashed into his LED side. His arms never moved when the collision happened which means that Computer couldn'tve grabbed him, and nothing implies that he activates it in some way, meaning it was passive all along.

Finally, what stops four from atacking computer "mind self" when inside the LEDs like evile blood bag did with bomb when inside his mind scape? After all computer BFR to inside his own mind scape

The fact that Computer would be stuck in a forcefield within his mind? Not to mention, if the contestants could really escape from Computer through attacking his mind self to force open a portal, they would've been able to escape by now, yet they couldn't because they either couldn't locate the center of Computer's mind or they couldn't find Computer himself (Mind you they were trapped in there for days). The only way for them to escape is if Computer willingly lets them out.

 

[Psychomaster35]

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[JustANormalLemon]

No? That was never even stated that leaving through any part of his body that isn't his eye (which isn't even the EXIT) is going to make them small. Leaving through openings are simply just the space inside of Four's EXIT being smaller for the sake of compressing everything in. You need to prove that leaving Four's EXIT that isn't through an opening is actually shrinking them, but you don't, because as someone who's watched every episode of the series, there literally is no proof.

Computer has never had the need to do anything when Normal Pill crashed into his LED side. His arms never moved when the collision happened which means that Computer couldn'tve grabbed him, and nothing implies that he activates it in some way, meaning it was passive all along.

The fact that Computer would be stuck in a forcefield within his mind? Not to mention, if the contestants could really escape from Computer through attacking his mind self to force open a portal, they would've been able to escape by now, yet they couldn't because they either couldn't locate the center of Computer's mind or they couldn't find Computer himself (Mind you they were trapped in there for days). The only way for them to escape is if Computer willingly lets them out.

1- Look, there is no doubt that the contestants become smaller when inside four to fit inside him, there are exemples of that like Four mouth being really big when comparing to them and woody on Four eye, so there is no doubt that when enterig and exiting four their size is changed in a way or another, so teleporting out would most likely not activate whatever brings them to their original size

2- And? Sinse when computer needed to move to activate his "trapping on his LED" hability? The only thing I'm saying is that is mot likely not passive and computer need to choose if somethig will enter on contact or not, Normal Pill was going to be eliminated, Normal pill touched the LED, computer chose to trap Normal Pill there

3- As we see in the only acene that show inside computer the contestants mostly stay relaxing inside Computer LEDs, and nothirg stops Four from growing into the size of the sun inside Computer in range and start hitting everything around him, or Just sink on the dirty becomig the ground and so taking control of thr pocket dimension

Also, Four has echanced senses that letted him locate Roboty, he can probable use It to locate inside mind computer

And let's talk about the force field, Four can:
Change computer mind with his
Screech to harm computer trough the forcefield untill he is forced to leave It to fight him
Create a bunch of random objects inside the forcefield untill Computer is crushed or leave It
Hack computer from inside
Fuse with the forcefield
Transmutate the force field
Bfr computer and the forcefield to imside him
Possible pull computer out of the forcefield by BFR him to his own pocket dimension sinse it pulls the target inside

But both would probable use this as last resort, maybe four using his first sinse he actualry used It on Pillow

So we should probable talk first about how the fight would go before that, Four has shown to use his haxes in combat more times then computer especially transmutation so He does have a wincon that he pull faster, compter shield also wouldn't be able to push four away thanks to much higher LS

Not to mention computer likes to go Meele in combat

But then we have ghost computer that four can't interact with sinse his non phisicjl interaction is elemental and not supernatural... but I doubt computer can kill four in this state thanks to regen... unless we considere that evil computer has more then pulverized by that atack

 

[Psychomaster35]

1- Look, there is no doubt that the contestants become smaller when inside four to fit inside him, there are exemples of that like Four mouth being really big when comparing to them and woody on Four eye, so there is no doubt that when enterig and exiting four their size is changed in a way or another, so teleporting out would most likely not activate whatever brings them to their original size

Again, Four's eye and the EXIT are completely different locations. Stop believing that they are the same thing that would cause those in the who leave the EXIT to exit small, because clearly they're normal sized.

2- And? Sinse when computer needed to move to activate his "trapping on his LED" hability? The only thing I'm saying is that is mot likely not passive and computer need to choose if somethig will enter on contact or not, Normal Pill was going to be eliminated, Normal pill touched the LED, computer chose to trap Normal Pill there

And you have no proof Computer actually activates it. For all we know, it was just always passive.

3- As we see in the only acene that show inside computer the contestants mostly stay relaxing inside Computer LEDs, and nothirg stops Four from growing into the size of the sun inside Computer in range and start hitting everything around him, or Just sink on the dirty becomig the ground and so taking control of thr pocket dimension

Good luck trying to affect the entire dimension, 'cause that is light years in length while Four can only grow up to a star. And just because you only see them "relaxing" in that one scene doesn't mean they tried to do something else.

Change computer mind with his
Screech to harm computer trough the forcefield untill he is forced to leave It to fight him

Fair

Create a bunch of random objects inside the forcefield untill Computer is crushed or leave It

Not in character for him to use in combat

Hack computer from inside

Also not in character to use in combat

Fuse with the forcefield

Maybe fair

Transmutate the force field

He's only been shown to do it on living beings, not inanimate objects.

Bfr computer and the forcefield to imside him

Does the forcefield even move? Because it never does move from what we see of the forcefield inside of Bomb's mindscape.

Possible pull computer out of the forcefield by BFR him to his own pocket dimension sinse it pulls the target inside

See previous point

So we should probable talk first about how the fight would go before that, Four has shown to use his haxes in combat more times then computer especially transmutation so He does have a wincon that he pull faster, compter shield also wouldn't be able to push four away thanks to much higher LS

Sure, I'll give the hax advantage to Four given he's much more prone to do it out of his enjoyment for abusing his contestants, though Computer is more experienced and skilled thanks to actually having fought battles unlike Four who's used to toying around with those weaker than him.

As for Computer's forcefield, sure it wouldn't be able to push Four back, but it's still proficient in blocking hits from him, especially with the 16x strength/durability advantage.

Not to mention computer likes to go Meele in combat

He also uses his laser if at a long range.

But then we have ghost computer that four can't interact with sinse his non phisicjl interaction is elemental and not supernatural... but I doubt computer can kill four in this state thanks to regen... unless we considere that evil computer has more then pulverized by that atack

Unless Computer's spirit has layered incorporeality (Which it doesn't), Four should still be able to affect him since he's interacted and moved Black Hole.

As for the laser, it should be able to bypass Four's regeneration since he's not only weaker, but the laser literally left nothing of Evil Computer Supreme remaining. Though theoretically, Four could survive it if he just grew himself to his star size.

 

[JustANormalLemon]

Unless Computer's spirit has layered incorporeality (Which it doesn't), Four should still be able to affect him since he's interacted and moved Black Hole.

Nah, this are 2 diferent types of intangibility/ incorporeability

Black hole intangibility is elemental (literaly a blackhole)/0 dimensionality

Ghost computer is of supernatural type, You need to be able to interact with the correct type of intangibility for that to work

Any way, I vote computer, ignorig the bfr debate, even if Four defeat computer, ghost computer just desintegrate him, other then possible BFR (not gonna come back to this debate) four has no actuall win con thanks to ghost form

 

[Psychomaster35]

Bump

 

[Spilxson2]

Does Computer resist Four's screeching?

 

[Psychomaster35]

Does Computer resist Four's screeching?

He doesn't

 

[Spilxson2]

He doesn't

Doesn't Four usually open with that. Pretty sure he's used it on X before too

 

[Spilxson2]

Four scales around a one-shot value above 33.76 exaFOE

I thought the scaling chain was "Rubber spatula one shots bugs and then gets one shot by Robot Flower and Four can one shot contestants"

 

[Psychomaster35]

I thought the scaling chain was "Rubber spatula one shots bugs and then gets one shot by Robot Flower and Four can one shot contestants"

Yes, and on top of that, Four was completely undamaged by a combined attack from Puffball and TV (Both of whom scale to contestants one-shottinf bugs), therefore making Four >>>33.76 exaFOE since he can harm Gelatin who can harm him with a slap.

 

[JustANormalLemon]

Doesn't Four usually open with that. Pretty sure he's used it on X before too

After bfb post split four pratically stoped usig It, trough he used in TPOT once, but his screech is just a stum, the oponent comes back after a short while

 

[Psychomaster35]

After bfb post split four pratically stoped usig It, trough he used in TPOT once, but his screech is just a stum, the oponent comes back after a short while

He stopped using it for X's sake to stop abusing the contestants. Against anyone else, this is irrelevant.

 

[JustANormalLemon]

He stopped using it for X's sake to stop abusing the contestants. Against anyone else, this is irrelevant.

Fair, still not a wincon

 

[Spilxson2]

What about the move where he twists people into weird shapes?

 

[Spilxson2]

If Computer doesn't resist that then can't Four just pull him in with Telekinesis and twist him like he did to Pin?

 

[JustANormalLemon]

If Computer doesn't resist that then can't Four just pull him in with Telekinesis and twist him like he did to Pin?

Computer would just come back as a ghost after that

 

[Psychomaster35]

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[Psychomaster35]

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[Spilxson2]

Can Four do anything once Computer becomes a ghost?

 

[JustANormalLemon]

Can Four do anything once Computer becomes a ghost?

Nah, four non phisical interaction isn't four supernatural intangibility/immaterial like the intagibility page say

Intangibility

Intangibility is the ability to pass through things physically. Characters with this ability are simply unaffected by attacks, as they pass through their bodies. This can also allow them to pass through walls and other physical objects. The exact mechanics of intangibility differ depending on...

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Four non phisical interaction is for Phiasing/elemental intangibility

 

[Psychomaster35]

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[Psychomaster35]

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[Psychomaster35]

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[Psychomaster35]

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[JustANormalLemon]

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Does four have any wincon other then BFR?

 

[Psychomaster35]

Does four have any wincon other then BFR?

Nullifying Computer's powers with a thought and then using BFR, albeit he's less likely to resort to it since that's something only FoF Donut did and not Four himself.

 

[JustANormalLemon]

Nullifying Computer's powers with a thought and then using BFR, albeit he's less likely to resort to it since that's something only FoF Donut did and not Four himself.

I mean... I don't think Four can nullifie any power sinse would be a non limit fallacy, especially sinse we only saw It being used for the twinkle that we have no idea how It actually work so I wouldn't count on that... trough Twinkle techinically teleports to other when infecting them... so I guess It could work power null computer TP at least.... Fair enough for me, Four also has the OOC option of using the budget

okay, not a stomp, thanks

 

[Psychomaster35]

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