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I forgot to do this lool, I am also garbage at intros
"Attack Potency: Universe level+ (Described as being one with the World / Universe multiple times"
The scan in itself linked with this only shows Swamp Thing being one with the earth, which is consistent as he is one of the Green Avatars who originated from earth, and is destined to protect it, he never showed anything about him being the ENTIRE universe.
As shown in Swamp Thing issue 75, when Swamp Thing ascends his Mind into the realm of awareness, he realizes that he is the mother of all on EARTH, he doesn't mention anything regarding the universe, nothing substantiates it being on a universal scale.
" holds controlover the forces that make up Creation. "
The scans for him holding control over the elements comes from GST, Lol, This was when he was going between parliament to parliament, becoming their champions in order to become the New God of the Universe.
All of this is taken from swamp thing issue 161 and above, which is roughly when the GST arc starts (GST stands for God Swamp Thing)
"Three of the Four Elements of the Earth are Under my Control, and when I pass the ordeal of the parliament of flames tonight this whole world shall be mine to control"
(The Scan linked in the profile is the parliament of flames one, this isn't base swamp thing)
"His New Abilities were granted as a reward for this act, but they serve a much darker purposeHis mission is now to rid this world of your god and all his hateful followers"
"Were I not awaiting the trail of the Parliament of flames the whole earth would truly be under my control."
Self Explanatory scan, Alec took the trails of every element in order to gain their powers, as each of them alone wouldn't stand a chance against the voice, but if Alec took the powers of all 4 at once he would become the new God of the World.
All the other quotes substantiate the fact that he didn't have control over the other elements, and that he had to go through a series of trails to gain the powers of each trail.
Hell, The Scan linked is literally the end of the God Swamp Thing saga, LOL.
In conclusion, Swamp Thing never held control over the elements in base, and the scans are taken out of context in order to give him a higher rating.
" Fought and defeated a man described by The Monitor as being in the same general Tier of power as Trigo and The Spectre"
Swamp Thing was literally a dot in comparison to the Spectre ,who saw no threat of him trying to attack him and according to the PS, Swamp thing can't even approach him.
Also, In the same comic (Annual 2) It was implied that demons are capable of tearing apart Swamp Thing, and the Spectre literally killed a entire horde just by being angry (I'll post scans if needed but this is enough)
For the warping the Green stuff, what do we consider as classic swamp thing? as the comic came years after the 1982 one. Also, where is it stated that's the entire Green and not just a part of it? This could just be the same fluke as the Flower in PF ST, lol.
" "High Multiverse level+ (Exists as a Higher-Dimensional Conceptual Being beyond all creation and all Metaphysical Parliaments),"
Higher D Being =/= 5D
How is it beyond all of creation? y'all do realize it literally states the parliament of waves told him how to manipulate said realm, and that the realm is a part of the red, not the green, hence why it's beyond the green's reach.
Also, I can't even find this scan in the god swamp thing saga, wtf?
"Attack Potency: Universe level+ (Described as being one with the World / Universe multiple times"
The scan in itself linked with this only shows Swamp Thing being one with the earth, which is consistent as he is one of the Green Avatars who originated from earth, and is destined to protect it, he never showed anything about him being the ENTIRE universe.
As shown in Swamp Thing issue 75, when Swamp Thing ascends his Mind into the realm of awareness, he realizes that he is the mother of all on EARTH, he doesn't mention anything regarding the universe, nothing substantiates it being on a universal scale.
" holds controlover the forces that make up Creation. "
The scans for him holding control over the elements comes from GST, Lol, This was when he was going between parliament to parliament, becoming their champions in order to become the New God of the Universe.
All of this is taken from swamp thing issue 161 and above, which is roughly when the GST arc starts (GST stands for God Swamp Thing)
"Three of the Four Elements of the Earth are Under my Control, and when I pass the ordeal of the parliament of flames tonight this whole world shall be mine to control"
(The Scan linked in the profile is the parliament of flames one, this isn't base swamp thing)
"His New Abilities were granted as a reward for this act, but they serve a much darker purposeHis mission is now to rid this world of your god and all his hateful followers"
"Were I not awaiting the trail of the Parliament of flames the whole earth would truly be under my control."
Self Explanatory scan, Alec took the trails of every element in order to gain their powers, as each of them alone wouldn't stand a chance against the voice, but if Alec took the powers of all 4 at once he would become the new God of the World.
All the other quotes substantiate the fact that he didn't have control over the other elements, and that he had to go through a series of trails to gain the powers of each trail.
Hell, The Scan linked is literally the end of the God Swamp Thing saga, LOL.
In conclusion, Swamp Thing never held control over the elements in base, and the scans are taken out of context in order to give him a higher rating.
" Fought and defeated a man described by The Monitor as being in the same general Tier of power as Trigo and The Spectre"
Swamp Thing was literally a dot in comparison to the Spectre ,who saw no threat of him trying to attack him and according to the PS, Swamp thing can't even approach him.
Also, In the same comic (Annual 2) It was implied that demons are capable of tearing apart Swamp Thing, and the Spectre literally killed a entire horde just by being angry (I'll post scans if needed but this is enough)
For the warping the Green stuff, what do we consider as classic swamp thing? as the comic came years after the 1982 one. Also, where is it stated that's the entire Green and not just a part of it? This could just be the same fluke as the Flower in PF ST, lol.
" "High Multiverse level+ (Exists as a Higher-Dimensional Conceptual Being beyond all creation and all Metaphysical Parliaments),"
Higher D Being =/= 5D
How is it beyond all of creation? y'all do realize it literally states the parliament of waves told him how to manipulate said realm, and that the realm is a part of the red, not the green, hence why it's beyond the green's reach.
Also, I can't even find this scan in the god swamp thing saga, wtf?