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Naruto Light fang: Not what you think...

TataHakai

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Before i get bombarded with hate for bringing this topic up for the 432945437534012631e99th time

This isn't the same as the rest of the topics as a verse wide revision

Basically in the most recent light fang discussions it was somewhat agreed that Madara could attack at Light Speed with Light Fang but Naruto dodged his swing rather than a direct beam (He didn't but whatever whatever, not the point), ONLY SCALES TO MADARA before we have a shitstorm here, this is a specific technique with specific properties that make it Light Speed.

So Madara should have a "Speed of Light Attack Speed" (Stated to move at The Speed Of Light by databooks"


Speed: Massively Hypersonic+ (Was able to outspeed Hashirama's wood golem hand that intercepted Kurama's standard Bijuudama, fought Hashirama evenly, is a top-tier in reactions and combat speed, crossed country distances on foot quickly) | Massively Hypersonic+ (Able to react to KCM Naruto's assault) | Massively Hypersonic+ (Blitzed SM Naruto, Hashirama, and toyed with EMS Sasuke) | Relativistic (Casually flew to the Moon at Mach 42,000 speeds. His Limbo clones kept up with Naruto's shadow clones) | Relativistic (Considerably faster than before), Speed Of Light Attack Speed (Light Fang was stated to be a Light Speed Attack)
 
Which thread was it?

"Basically in the most recent light fang discussions it was somewhat agreed that Madara could attack at Light Speed with Light Fang but Naruto dodged his swing rather than a direct beam (He didn't but whatever whatever, not the point), ONLY SCALES TO MADARA before we have a shitstorm here, this is a specific technique with specific properties that make it Light Speed."
 
I can't remember the specific thread but me and Kep had quite a long debate about it, i'm fine with Naruto not getting the scaling but Madara should have LS attack speed

If i remember correctly the thread was around the time of the huge Naruto revisions.
 
Not sure why that's Relativistic, mach 42,000 is 0.04% the speed of Light which is around Sub Relativistic.
 
So... are we just going to ignore the dozen threads I ripped apart the idea that Storm Release acts like real light or...
 
I thought about proposing this in the previous thread but it closed and created a rule for it while I slept. I agree with you.

Also, There is no reason for Naruto's reaction scale to this as he is faster than reacting LF as Kepekley said.
 
It meets some of them such as

  • The beam is called lightspeed by credible scientific sources
  • It is stated to be made of photons or light itself, again by a credible scientific source
though not by a scientific source, it's by a credible source, Kishimoto himself

  • It is shown at different speeds in the same material
  • They do not travel in straight lines (unless you can prove refraction/reflection, see above)
Never shown to move at different speeds in air and it was shown to move in a straight line.

I mean why is there even a debate about LS Light Fang? It's a Beam of light, created by natural energy that is stated to move at Light Speed.
 
interestin interesting. I always found it weird that we didnt accept it to be real light when the attack is a senjutsu based attack tbh. We all know how senjutsu works but still didnt accept that it was real light after having a data book and knowing how senjutsu works in the verse. I agree with this only applying to madara
 
Almost everyone usually agrees it's LS but the debate is on whether Naruto dodged the swing or not, this is just applying it to Madara.
 
Reppuzan said:
So... are we just going to ignore the dozen threads I ripped apart the idea that Storm Release acts like real light or...
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Sorry but in my (and I assume quite a few others) opinion you did not rip it apart, not that I think it matters much here since Naruto has a seperate relavistic scaling anyway. I have argued so much for it atm that I am tired enough I dont really care either way where this goes.
 
@TataHakai

Because all other known applications of Storm Release don't act like real light and bend without passing through other mediums.

@Rocker

You saying, "no it does act like real light" when it doesn't isn't an argument.
 
Reppuzan said:
@TataHakai
Because all other known applications of Storm Release don't act like real light and bend without passing through other mediums.

@Rocker

You saying, "no it does act like real light" when it doesn't isn't an argument.
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And none of those other strom release moves were senjutsu infused which is the main point.

And you saying no it does not is not an argument either. Please dont make me appear like an idiot when you know that I have made a lot of points backed up by canon sources on this argument. If you dont agree that is fine. I really dont need to be agreed upon every little thing but at the very least show the actual arguments used b the other side.
 
@Rocker

And Senjutsu makes it special, how? Last I checked, natural energy didn't magically change the properties of any technique.
 
Reppuzan said:
@Rocker
And Senjutsu makes it special, how? Last I checked, natural energy didn't magically change the properties of any technique.
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No what we do know about natural energy is the fact that it is meant to be natural which is why people with the rinnengan can create storms and why Kaguya is able to shape her worlds to attack for her.
 
Reppuzan said:
@TataHakai
Because all other known applications of Storm Release don't act like real light and bend without passing through other mediums.

@Rocker

You saying, "no it does act like real light" when it doesn't isn't an argument.
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So? We're not talking about whether all other applications of storm release act like light or not, we're talking about Light Fang, that's kind of a strawman argument

"This doesn't act like Light so this completely different Jutsu can't act like light!!"
 
Reppuzan said:
@Rocker
And Senjutsu makes it special, how? Last I checked, natural energy didn't magically change the properties of any technique.
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It supports the notion of it being LS, since y'know, Natural light moves at....Light speed
 
@Tatahakai

The technique uses the same release and thus functions on the same principles.

This isn't an abstract thing like Yin or Yang Release and I find it hard to excuse the idea that one Storm Release would be thousands of times slower than another because Senjutsu.

But screw it. I'm sick of Naruto already.
 
Considering that we have relavistic Naruto without light fang there is 0 reason for light fang not to be lightspeed. If not a lot of other chracters with so called light sped attacks need to be revised because Naruto has no less evidence of light speed than other characters do. I dont think every light speed ability we have here has shown all the properties of light.
 
Reppuzan said:
@Tatahakai
The technique uses the same release and thus functions on the same principles.

This isn't an abstract thing like Yin or Yang Release and I find it hard to excuse the idea that one Storm Release would be thousands of times slower than another because Senjutsu.

But screw it. I'm sick of Naruto already.
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No it doesn't, not every storm release based jutsu is created through natural energy, hell sage mode alone makes people much stronger so questioning whether natural energy makes something faster makes no sense

I don't care for Naruto much either but a Light speed attack is a Light speed attack, this literally only applies to a single attack in the entire series.
 
There's absolutely nothing wrong with LF being Light Speed, the issue of the feat is how the dodge happened.
 
Rocker1189 said:
AstralKing7 said:
sick of naruto huh?? You've proven that your biased
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I think he meant tired more than anything else.
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This, and i can't blame him, this is just a small change so it shouldn't be that bad.
 
Well, if Kepekley and Reppuzan reject this, it probably cannot be used.
 
@Kep

I disagree with the reason you disagree with LF being LS.

Storm Release- Light Fang
Storm Release: Light Fang

"A Ninjutsu used by those who gained the six paths power, they emit a beam of light to bisect the enemy."
^There is a period in between this sentance, and the part you cite for not agreeing with it.


What I just can't understand is...the part that says, and I quote, "Like a sharp and pointed fang, it cuts all things with the speed of light, making it impossible for the enemy to evade even one swing", is CLEARLY a case of Intentional Hyperbole (The Bolded). This databook was written, well after the feat occured, so why would you presume to even think Kishi would make a literal statement of LF being "unavoidable", then have an image of it being dodged, right next to it? It's non-sensical to latch onto that part of the statement when it's obvious Kishi never intended for it to be Literally "unavoidable".

Not only this, but Kishi is known for using flowery language and intentional hyperbole, not meant to be taken seriously in the manga as well, case in point:

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Yet we cite Madara's statement of his PS rivaling the power of the Biju on his page, but we don't take the "Smash all things in the universe" bit seriously, because we know it's intentional hyperbole. It's literally a double standard now, just because LF is supposedly "Light speed".
It's common sense giuys, come on....we don't take everything seriously in the first place.
 
Glad I'm not the only one that thinks of the data books. It's literally meant to into entice the readers, making the statements in what they said sound cooler. Though yes we HAVE to use common sense on what they say though & not take everything they say to literal.

EDIT: Taka-sama said that this would only affect Madara so why r people getting mad & saying something about Naruto?
 
BMWFanboy said:
Intentional how?
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If you draw a single scene of an attack where someone is dodging it, would you later come back and give it a serious description saying it's undodgable afterwards?

That's non-sensical. On top of that, look at the language used in te second sentence.
 
Because it is undodgable inside Naruto verse,Naruto was able to dodge a head swing and he did that only via his super sense.No one dodge a straight beam so far.
 
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