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AE 1 Pure will < AE concept type 1, I believe.
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Xeno Goku vs Kratos
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speedster352
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Super shenron can help he can grant any wish
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even in dbh, ss can't kill zeno as far as I know. and also the "NLF" part is GG.
for ss to remove ae from kratos, he would need to interact with him. which would probably be possible, if we go by logic. but currently he has no feats to do so, and this is ahem.... vsbattle.
speedster352
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but super shenron has a profile on vs wiki?
Noneless21
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He means that the fact super shenron can do "anything" is a big nlf
WanderingGecko
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Does Goku have any way to interact with Kratos’s AE 1 ?
speedster352
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maybe super shenron
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speedster352
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But super Shenron granted zamasu AE type 1 and can grant any wish in reason of course
WanderingGecko
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What does Super Shenron have to do with this ?
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No feats of interacting with Type 1 concepts and no feats of giving people that ability.
speedster352
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Xeno Goku can summon him for a wish
speedster352
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What about zamasu?
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Zamasu's case has nothing to do with Type 1 concepts...
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Kratos AE 1 is based in a Type 1 Concept, Zamasu AE 1 is based in his Will
NLF + what would goku even wish? why are we assuming that Goku has the super dragon balls here? Can Goku even summon the Super Shenron? Goku doesnt know the language of the gods, unless I forgot something
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Also, what's stops Kratos from just killing Super Shenron?
speedster352
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He can in the games and he has it on his profile. Will and concepts are similar.
Can't die
WanderingGecko
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And ? Does his wish granting abilities cause Goku to interact with Kratos’s AE 1 that is based on a type 1 concept ?
Noneless21
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Rather than that, i wanna know why will = concept?
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Will is definitely not in the same level as Type 1 Concept
Then Kratos kills it
speedster352
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here Xeno Goku can wish to beat kratos and etc incap exist
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Absolutely not, especially when we are talking about Type 1 concepts which are concepts "above baseline" and literally predates and not bound by the human mind.
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Can't affect Type 1 Concept without feats
WanderingGecko
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“Beat” in what sense ? Because from SS’s profile there is no ability from his wish granting abilities that bypasses Kratos’s AE 1 and beats him
speedster352
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Time travel or wish kratos never existed and etc
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Acausality (Type 1; Is unfazed by the death of his past self)
Also, no feats of interacting with Type 1 concepts
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Kratos has acausality type 1 so that wont work. Its almost as if you didnt even read his profile....
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Kratos wins. Should be closed tbh
WanderingGecko
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Kratos’ has Acausality type 1 and u can wish he “never existed” all u want but without the feats of interacting to his AE 1, its futile. And u assuming that Kratos is just gonna stand there while Goku makes his wish is absurd
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Also, why are we assuming that Kratos will stay Immobile if an universal-sized golden dragon appear?
speedster352
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speedster352
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Wouldn't time travel and keysword sealing still count as a win since he technically beat kratos a younger version
WanderingGecko
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No it wouldn’t since he’d be killing a younger version of him and not the one we’re battling
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This should be closed in all honestly
AE1 Makes Kratos non-interactable and no character (Not even SS) has feats of affecting Conceptual AE
Acausality Type 1 makes Time Travel Death & Sealing invalid as well
And Kratos has all the time in the world to find a way to defeat Goku or just outlive him probably
AE1 Makes Kratos non-interactable and no character (Not even SS) has feats of affecting Conceptual AE
Acausality Type 1 makes Time Travel Death & Sealing invalid as well
And Kratos has all the time in the world to find a way to defeat Goku or just outlive him probably
Oliver_de_jesus
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affecting young kratos doesn't work, it literally this is a part of plot of GoW Games where Kratos didn't care that his past self was killed.
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Literally changes nothing. Goku's not affecting Kratos
speedster352
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I am just talking about the time travel and sealing thing. Since DBH can affect characters with causality types 1 and 4 it should work since the time labyrinth deletes all records of time on a multiversal scale including the past and present and the future and has sealing resistance negation.
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