Xeno Goku vs Kratos

[Arthex]

Since i heard Goku was getting downgraded to 2c, i wanted to see how well he does against my one of the most favorite low 2c - 2cs.

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"Boi":
Serious Monke:

Both at their peak, speed equal and conceptual Manipulation restricted.

Round 1: With Keysword
Round 2: Without Keysword

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Hopefully Kratos dosent stomp and i hope xeno goku is actually getting downgraded or this is embarrassing.

 

[SuperStar]

You can’t restrict abilities

 

[Noneless21]

even if he's downgraded xeno goku still atomp becauae of his passives that reduce stamina i think

if the change didn't go through, change it to UI goku then, then it will be a stomp in kratos' favour i think

 

[Arthex]

You can’t restrict abilities

Look in xeno goku's notable loses.
Conceptual Manipulation was restricted-

 

[Arthex]

even if he's downgraded xeno goku still atomp becauae of his passives that reduce stamina i think

if the change didn't go through, change it to UI goku then, then it will be a stomp in kratos' favour i think

The whole heroes got downgraded( due to xenoverse being not cannon to it ig), idk if its 2b now or 2c since the changes are still being done.

Eh, forgot dd exists, does kratos have any passives?

 

[kuramamyfav68]

According to someone's sandbox... Heroes remains 2a (and this could probably even be an upgrade as well):

Ottavio Merluzzo/sandbox

vsbattles.fandom.com

 

[Noneless21]

Look in xeno goku's notable loses.
Conceptual Manipulation was restricted-

I think that's the abilities from pets if i read the dark enchantress cookie's profile correctly

 

[Arthex]

I think that's the abilities from pets if i read the dark enchantress cookie's profile correctly

does it really matter tbh? Kek

 

[Noneless21]

does it really matter tbh? Kek

i think thats like equipment or some sthick so maybe

 

[Arthex]

According to someone's sandbox... Heroes remains 2a.

Wait, Fr?
I thought it was just getting edited and took a lot of time since separating heroes and xenoverse is a huge work.

 

[kuramamyfav68]

Edited my previous post with the link.

 

[Noneless21]

so it's a hilarious stomp huh

 

[Ss3micah]

The whole heroes got downgraded( due to xenoverse being not cannon to it ig), idk if its 2b now or 2c since the changes are still being done.

The Downgrade is no longer deemed valid so Heroes stays 2-A

 

[Ss3micah]

I think that's the abilities from pets if i read the dark enchantress cookie's profile correctly

Dark Enchantress won because she resist stamina hax and had passive transmutation which goku does not resist

 

[Arthex]

so it's a hilarious stomp huh

Oh well, 2c heroes would have been good since they'd be op for their tier but 2a is even better.

 

[Noneless21]

Dark Enchantress won because she resist stamina hax and had passive transmutation which goku does not resist

I see, so that CM is from the pets right or j just read her profile wrong

 

[Arthex]

Dark Enchantress won because she resist stamina hax and had passive transmutation which goku does not resist

Wasnt talking about that tbh, just the fact i thought you could restrict abilities, but oh well i guess I was wrong.

 

[Arthex]

The Downgrade is no longer deemed valid so Heroes stays 2-A

They should close the thread or atleast tell it isnt valid anymore in the last tbh.

 

[Noneless21]

ye, it's a stomp

 

[Arthex]

Nvm I was wrong, the sandbox recently got made.

 

[Greenshifter]

Just give Kratos CM, shouldn’t be a stomp then right?

 

[Arthex]

Just give Kratos CM, shouldn’t be a stomp then right?

It isnt passive, goku just reduces his stam and one shots since he is still 2a tbh.

 

[Greenshifter]

It isnt passive, goku just reduces his stam and one shots since he is still 2a tbh.

Does Kratos have anything though-based? Thinking he could maybe incon with the concept manip as well.

 

[The_Axiom_of_Virgo]

It isnt passive, goku just reduces his stam and one shots since he is still 2a tbh.

Ummm... can Goku even interact with Kratos at all? He has type 1 AE based on a type 1 concept.

 

[Greenshifter]

Nah he’s AE type 2. Meaning Goku can’t kill him.

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Nah he’s AE type 2. Meaning Goku can’t kill him.

Abstract Existence (Type 1; After killing Thanatos, the primordial concept of death, he's been labeled as Death, the Destroyer of Worlds, by Zeus himself[12])

 

[Noneless21]

Nah he’s AE type 2. Meaning Goku can’t kill him.

Ah i see, then it will end in incon

 

[Ss3micah]

Ummm... can Goku even interact with Kratos at all? He has type 1 AE based on a type 1 concept.

Honestly
This seems like a clear mismatch

 

[The_Axiom_of_Virgo]

Abstract Existence (Type 1; After killing Thanatos, the primordial concept of death, he's been labeled as Death, the Destroyer of Worlds, by Zeus himself[12])

I'm glad I wasn't the only one to actually read angry man's profile.

Honestly
This seems like a clear mismatch

Ditto.

 

[Greenshifter]

Abstract Existence (Type 1; After killing Thanatos, the primordial concept of death, he's been labeled as Death, the Destroyer of Worlds, by Zeus himself[12])

My apologies, I didn’t account for him embodying 2 abstracts at the same time.

 

[Arthex]

Keysword has sealing, does it not? Idk if kratos has Ressitance to it but Ressitance neg of keysword should neg that.

Man, another thread db losing just cuz they dont have anything against concepts? I cant take it anymore.

 

[Arthex]

Oh wait, goku cant seal cuz he cant interact at all so- .__.

 

[Andika_CL_atmadja]

Bump.

So what is the conclusion of this fight ?

 

[Noneless21]

Kratos stomp, probably

 

[Arthex]

yeah, if goku can't interact, kratos has infinite years to pull out concept hax.

 

[Arthex]

if I change keys, its probably passive DD gg. breh wtf is it so hard to find matches for db.

 

[The_Axiom_of_Virgo]

if I change keys, its probably passive DD gg. breh wtf is it so hard to find matches for db.

*DBH

It's actually pretty easy to find MUs for DB, DBZ, DBS, DBGT and DBToei tho (Probably).

 

[speedster352]

if I change keys, its probably passive DD gg. breh wtf is it so hard to find matches for db.

Can super shenron help? What about the awkaend keysword?

 

[Arthex]

Can super shenron help? What about the awkaend keysword?

he has AE based on a Type 1 Concept. Xeno goku can't interact with him, otherwise it would have been a stomp.

 

[speedster352]

he has AE based on a Type 1 Concept. Xeno goku can't interact with him, otherwise it would have been a stomp.

What about super shenron he granted infinte zamasu AE type 1 he can remove it as a wish from xeno goku