Wahlberg Baigan and the Honored One [Wahlberg vs Gojo]

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

Logia moment (besides Fujitora)

Mash adapt ?

 

[AnAverageUsername]

Mash adapt ?

No, hes only killing Logia's with a Gaia Burst after his post-death mindscape gains

Anyways, this is a Wahlberg vs Gojo thread, best to keep it that

 

[AnAverageUsername]

Bump

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

one of the tags was wrong, I fixed it

For the future, our tags should be the same as our titled pages

 

[AnAverageUsername]

one of the tags was wrong, I fixed it

I'm mudded

For the future, our tags should be the same as our titled pages

I see, good to note

Sorry if you aren't interested in the match, but do you have any thoughts?

 

[LordGinSama]

Mash adapt ?

Wank.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Unfortunately I don't know anything about both characters, so can't really comment on the matchup

 

[AnAverageUsername]

Unfortunately I don't know anything about both characters, so can't really comment on the matchup

That's fair

Wank.

True

How about you Gin, have any thoughts?

 

[LordGinSama]

Depends on how much space he's able to erase with his magic. Gojo's manipulates an infinite amount of space, so even if you erase some of it that doesn't help you when it comes to getting closer.


Think of the Hand from Jojo, it can erase space but not to a great extent. Wahl can erase apart of infinite space but that doesn't mean he'll get through it entirely since there's still an infinite amount of space that he'd need to erase before making contact with Gojo.


Also Gojo getting upgraded so this should wait. Said upgrade grants him Type 2 CM via infinity which makes things even worse for him.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

I still need to revise the verse.
But life is so ass rn

Anyway. Thats a icon. No one is gonna kill no one
Except if we accept that Wahlberg can counter Inifinity with his Thirds, where he BFR you in a pocket dimension and EE the same dimension while youre inside it

Wahlberg casual range is around hundread of km
Beside, the match is wrong. The true strongest wizard is Ryoh

 

[AnAverageUsername]

I still need to revise the verse.
But life is so ass rn

Yeah, I've just been trying to make profiles

Anyway. Thats a icon. No one is gonna kill no one
Except if we accept that Wahlberg can counter Inifinity with his Thirds, where he BFR you in a pocket dimension and EE the same dimension while youre inside it

I'm honestly confused on that front. Was it really BFR and creating a pocket dimension? The paneling made it confusing to read, even on multiple look-throughs

Wahlberg casual range is around hundread of km
Beside, the match is wrong. The true strongest wizard is Ryoh

I need my titles

Depends on how much space he's able to erase with his magic. Gojo's manipulates an infinite amount of space, so even if you erase some of it that doesn't help you when it comes to getting closer.

From how I saw it is that Wahlberg cuts through space itself and erases everything in its path. I wasn't sure on if that would bypass infinity all together or if it would only go a certain distance.

Think of the Hand from Jojo, it can erase space but not to a great extent. Wahl can erase apart of infinite space but that doesn't mean he'll get through it entirely since there's still an infinite amount of space that he'd need to erase before making contact with Gojo.

True, there is that

Also Gojo getting upgraded so this should wait. Said upgrade grants him Type 2 CM via infinity which makes things even worse for him.

Yeah I saw that, I don't really know what that means, but I guess I should have waited. But this match was mainly about if Spaces can clash with Infinity

 

[Serlock_Holmes]

Wahlberg FRA. Also Gojo doesn't have unlimited actual space. He just makes finite space seem infinite. Erasing the space between counters infinity as far as I know.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Naruto, BC and OP stomps

Bro doesnt know what im cooking

Was it really BFR and creating a pocket dimension?

I mean, thats what it looks like, except if we assume that Walhberg can change the horizon.

They were in the sky at the moment, clouds height; so their vision range is pretty much vast, and yet there was nothing in the horizon but black in their PoV

Yeah, I've just been trying to make profiles

Yeah, thanks. I appreciate it

 

[AnAverageUsername]

Wahlberg FRA. Also Gojo doesn't have unlimited actual space. He just makes finite space seem infinite. Erasing the space between counters infinity as far as I know.

I'll count this, but if more people stat discussing about infinity, I should maybe hold off votes yeah?

 

[Serlock_Holmes]

I'll count this, but if more people stat discussing about infinity, I should maybe hold off votes yeah?

We will see how the convo goes then.

 

[noisyPitta]

Hollow purple could one shot, but still unsure how it work and Sukuna resisted it

Wouldn't that just mean Sukuna resists it?

I don't know if this is relevant to the argument anymore but Sukuna used Domain Amplification to resist the effect of Hollow Purple. There's fancy Jujutsu terminology about how it works but all you reallly need to know is that its a semi-powernull. When the attack hits him some of its energy is diffused into the space around him rather than actually hitting him, so he takes less damage.

However, this is a feat specific to jujutsu sorcerers. It does prove that HP can be powernull'd though

 

[noisyPitta]

Still gonna wait to get opinions from JJK supporters

I'm here. What I really need to know here is how exactly Wahlberg's space erasure works. I saw it compared to The Hand earlier in the thread, is that accurate? Because The Hand can't bypass infinity (it can only erase the space it touches, and it can't touch Gojo's infinite space) but if Wahlberg had the ability to perform this kind of space erasure at a range, then it might work.

Gojo is too arrogant and confident so he will probably let Wahlberg attack first and get stomped.

Very true. Does his spell have a travel time that Gojo would be able to percieve? He might be able to dode/counter/see it coming if it does.

 

[AnAverageUsername]

I'm here. What I really need to know here is how exactly Wahlberg's space erasure works. I saw it compared to The Hand earlier in the thread, is that accurate? Because The Hand can't bypass infinity (it can only erase the space it touches, and it can't touch Gojo's infinite space) but if Wahlberg had the ability to perform this kind of space erasure at a range, then it might work.

It does indeed work at a range, with Spaces Sacrifice being an example

Even regular Spaces Bout has some nice range

Very true. Does his spell have a travel time that Gojo would be able to percieve? He might be able to dode/counter/see it coming if it does.

Yeah, that's why this match is fair, because it's not an instantaneous win with no fairness. Spaces Bouts is swung around and spaces sacrifice is projected outward. Of course, there's his Thirds, but that's a last chance attack.

 

[noisyPitta]

It does indeed work at a range, with Spaces Sacrifice being an example

Even regular Spaces Bout has some nice range

Ok so this makes the discussion even more interesting. Do either of these moves need to travel through space to erase it? Or do they exist on some wierd nonexistent level like Hollow Purple. Because even if the effect of these spells erases space, if they are any kind of energy projectile it will still be stopped by infinity. The only way to get past it here would be to find some way to prove that these moves don't have any kind of mass or speed, or do something like Sukuna's World Cut (though given how hard it was for Sukuna to figure out, I doubt this guy could do any better)

 

[Serlock_Holmes]

Ok so this makes the discussion even more interesting. Do either of these moves need to travel through space to erase it? Or do they exist on some wierd nonexistent level like Hollow Purple. Because even if the effect of these spells erases space, if they are any kind of energy projectile it will still be stopped by infinity. The only way to get past it here would be to find some way to prove that these moves don't have any kind of mass or speed, or do something like Sukuna's World Cut (though given how hard it was for Sukuna to figure out, I doubt this guy could do any better)

Infinity can't erase attacks that erase space. It needs space to even function.

 

[AnAverageUsername]

Ok so this makes the discussion even more interesting. Do either of these moves need to travel through space to erase it? Or do they exist on some wierd nonexistent level like Hollow Purple. Because even if the effect of these spells erases space, if they are any kind of energy projectile it will still be stopped by infinity. The only way to get past it here would be to find some way to prove that these moves don't have any kind of mass or speed, or do something like Sukuna's World Cut (though given how hard it was for Sukuna to figure out, I doubt this guy could do any better)

I mean, that's tricky. Going by the fanbook that recently came out, Wahlberg's space magic is said to "cut though space itself". But would that constitute any mass to it? Everything it touches gets cleaved through like butter without any resistance, and it's just sort of projected out. Sure it has speed, but does it have mass?

 

[Serlock_Holmes]

I think it's literally a frick you zone.

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

I don't know if this is relevant to the argument anymore but Sukuna used Domain Amplification to resist the effect of Hollow Purple. There's fancy Jujutsu terminology about how it works but all you reallly need to know is that its a semi-powernull. When the attack hits him some of its energy is diffused into the space around him rather than actually hitting him, so he takes less damage.

I keep forgetting the name, Doman amplification is what they use to protect themselves from D.E sure hit effect, right ?

 

[AnAverageUsername]

I think it's literally a frick you zone.

That's only Uranus Inclination, which yeah, it is

 

[noisyPitta]

I mean, that's tricky. Going by the fanbook that recently came out, Wahlberg's space magic is said to "cut though space itself". But would that constitute any mass to it? Everything it touches gets cleaved through like butter without any resistance, and it's just sort of projected out. Sure it has speed, but does it have mass?

Yeah there's the issue. If it has speed, that means it needs to travel, which means it moves through space. From the sounds of it, these space-erasing moves only erase things once they touch it, right? If thats true, then it would be stopped by infinity. Its the same case with Sukuna's slashes. They have no mass and they have no energy to them but simply because they travel through space, Infinity stops them. Unless there's any extra information on these attacks, I'm going to say they get stopped.

I keep forgetting the name, Doman amplification is what they use to protect themselves from D.E sure hit effect, right ?

That's Simple Domain. Domain Amplification is what Jogo and Hanami use against Gojo at the start of Shibuya to bypass his Infinity. Basically you cover yourself in a simple domain but don't give it a sure-hit attack, so that when someone else's technique hits you, your Domain Amplification absorbs the attack instead of lashing out against it. Its a little complicated and the wording/translation is messy so its not well understood by a lot of people,

 

[noisyPitta]

That's only Uranus Inclination, which yeah, it is

This seems to be an indiscriminate AOE, is it also a space erasure move? Because if thats the case, it would work here. If an attack encompasses Gojo from all sides and attacks the area around him instead of targeting him specifically, then yeah it works. Thats the same mechanic behind the World Cut.

 

[AnAverageUsername]

Yeah there's the issue. If it has speed, that means it needs to travel, which means it moves through space. From the sounds of it, these space-erasing moves only erase things once they touch it, right? If thats true, then it would be stopped by infinity. Its the same case with Sukuna's slashes. They have no mass and they have no energy to them but simply because they travel through space, Infinity stops them. Unless there's any extra information on these attacks, I'm going to say they get stopped.

Yeah but again, it cuts through space itself? Like, what exactly does that mean. Is it like Sukuna's universe space slash?

 

[AnAverageUsername]

This seems to be an indiscriminate AOE, is it also a space erasure move? Because if thats the case, it would work here. If an attack encompasses Gojo from all sides and attacks the area around him instead of targeting him specifically, then yeah it works. Thats the same mechanic behind the World Cut.

Ah yeah, it still the spacial erasure move. Though I'm not sure how Wahlberg would get out of his own range though. He can teleport, there's that. And it's implied he's used this before, and yet he still lives, so there must be some way for him to get out of their without going for a mutual kill. And even then, if Wahlberg is serious enough, it doesn't matter if he's killed as the attack will go off anyways by pouring enough magic power into it.

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

That's Simple Domain. Domain Amplification is what Jogo and Hanami use against Gojo at the start of Shibuya to bypass his Infinity. Basically you cover yourself in a simple domain but don't give it a sure-hit attack, so that when someone else's technique hits you, your Domain Amplification absorbs the attack instead of lashing out against it. Its a little complicated and the wording/translation is messy so its not well understood by a lot of people,

So it's the barrier thing that let Sukuna touch Gojo, the barrier protect the person from a technique by tanking it first.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Rhyo vs Gojo is still better since their personality match, although Rhyo would probabliy stomp

Anyway, Wahlberg's AoE EE is via Thirds, a final move. Walhberg is only going to use it as a last move. He isnt like Domina or Famin who lauchs a Thirds every time that the match start to get a bit challenging
Gojo isnt capable to damage Walhberg with normal attacks, Red nor Blue, so his only chance would be Hallow and Domain Expansion

Domain Expansion is pretty much a big problem, since well, its a oneshot. If it land, its over. But like, Walhberg can teleport himself out of Gojo's range just as fast as the domain's cast. He, for exemple, could teleport first than an attack that is actived by pointing
Hollow is really easy to dodge, Walhberg himself had dealt with big things before

I dont want to talk about Infinity seeing that its something too subjective and that Walhberg can win even assuming that he cant pass the barrier

So imo, Walhberg take this with like, lowdiff to midiff since this match is a oneshot fight where it would hardly last more than some minutes

However, as JJK supporter as well, it would be better to wait White's revisions to finish before anything, seeing how Gojo is gonna get a lot of buffs

 

[AnAverageUsername]

So when would the revisions be over

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Idk, pretty soon, maybe tommorow or even today seeing the current vote difference

 

[AnAverageUsername]

Bro doesnt know what im cooking

Oh yeah, what are you cooking....

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Just revise the verse and add new calcs and standards
Low 5-B to 5-B scaling
Possible Class Y to Pre-Stellar scaling
Some FTL+ to MFTL+ scaling
Mash possible outskilling someone that can precog 5 secods ahead
So on

 

[AnAverageUsername]

Just revise the verse and add new calcs and standards
Low 5-B to 5-B scaling
Possible Class Y to Pre-Stellar scaling
Some FTL+ to MFTL+ scaling
Mash possible outskilling someone that can precog 5 secods ahead
So on

If you're talking about precog, that applies to a never before seen Master Cane, not Doom nor Carpaccio, but the rest I can't wait for

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Dont care, if exist, bro is gonna get outskilled

 

[AnAverageUsername]

Dont care, if exist, bro is gonna get outskilled

Oh yeah, lastly, what speed feat does Rayne scale to? That's about the last thing I need to finish up his profile

 

[noisyPitta]

Rhyo vs Gojo is still better since their personality match, although Rhyo would probabliy stomp

Anyway, Wahlberg's AoE EE is via Thirds, a final move. Walhberg is only going to use it as a last move. He isnt like Domina or Famin who lauchs a Thirds every time that the match start to get a bit challenging
Gojo isnt capable to damage Walhberg with normal attacks, Red nor Blue, so his only chance would be Hallow and Domain Expansion

Domain Expansion is pretty much a big problem, since well, its a oneshot. If it land, its over. But like, Walhberg can teleport himself out of Gojo's range just as fast as the domain's cast. He, for exemple, could teleport first than an attack that is actived by pointing
Hollow is really easy to dodge, Walhberg himself had dealt with big things before

I dont want to talk about Infinity seeing that its something too subjective and that Walhberg can win even assuming that he cant pass the barrier

So imo, Walhberg take this with like, lowdiff to midiff since this match is a oneshot fight where it would hardly last more than some minutes

However, as JJK supporter as well, it would be better to wait White's revisions to finish before anything, seeing how Gojo is gonna get a lot of buffs

To me this would come down to who uses their big move first. Gojo's red/blue/h2h does nothing, and Spaces Sacrifice/Spaces Bout get stopped by Infinity, so it becomes a question of who shoots first: Hollow Purple/Unlimited Void or Thirds? From the way you explain it here, it sounds like Wahlberg would be unwilling to use it too soon. I will hold off on voting until after revisions but as of right now its leaning towards Gojo for me.

So it's the barrier thing that let Sukuna touch Gojo, the barrier protect the person from a technique by tanking it first.

Yup. The barrier absorbs the first technique it comes into contact with then releases its energy.

• If you use it in a defensive way, then it sucks up part of the incoming attack and scatters it away harmlessly (Used by Jogo/Hanami/Sukuna to absorb/neutralise Gojo's Infinity, and used by Sukuna to weaken the effect of the incoming Hollow Purple)
• If you use it in an offensive way you put your own technique into the barrier and release it as an attack later (we've never seen this onscreen but its implied to be a thing)

 

[AnAverageUsername]

To me this would come down to who uses their big move first. Gojo's red/blue/h2h does nothing, and Spaces Sacrifice/Spaces Bout get stopped by Infinity, so it becomes a question of who shoots first: Hollow Purple/Unlimited Void or Thirds? From the way you explain it here, it sounds like Wahlberg would be unwilling to use it too soon. I will hold off on voting until after revisions but as of right now its leaning towards Gojo for me.

I would like to bring up an interesting proposition, of could Wahlberg escape the Domain before it hits? From what I know, infinite Void isn't like Malevolent Shrine that spawns in the real world right? So could Wahlberg escape it by erasing the space he himself is in and teleport out? He can also teleport normally but that takes some faster start up.

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

If you use it in an offensive way you put your own technique into the barrier and release it as an attack later (we've never seen this onscreen but its implied to be a thing)

Isn't "infinity" an example of it, it doesn't need any hand sign chanting like other technique and the only reason it's passive is because Gojo is healing his brain implying that it's a technique that surround Gojo, even in his fight with Toji (anime) his inverted spear of heaven nullified "infinity" by destroying a barrier, that's why another barrier (domain amplification) can protect you from it.

damn, if this is true even barrier (anti hax) can bypass "infinity".